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Another financial/emotional abuse post :( - long

39 replies

PinkGlitter17 · 22/02/2017 01:58

I've been married to H for 8 years, together 15 years, DD is 8, DS is 2.5.
He is an agency nurse, I'm a SAHM.

We both worked throughout the first 8 years of relationship, I was always paid less than him but I suppose the first alarm bell/thing I should have pt my foot down about was when we got our first place and he made me still pay half of bills/rent despite lower earnings.
When I had DD I was a self-employed cake-maker and then SAHM until she was a year old, i think. NO mat allowance/SMP for me as we had been living abroad. H started 2 years nurse training when DD was 2 months old.
Then I started doing cakes again, and I got into £2K debt by using business CC for food, daily expenses and biz costs because I had no access to DH's earnings (he was by now working shifts as a trainee, and paying all household bills while I looked after baby DD and was expected to do all housework etc as well as trying to run biz). He bailed me out £1K and I took out a bank loan with £60 monthly repayments - so this repayment had to now be generated by the (precarious) cake business.

Then we moved towns and I took on a unit in the local market hall which I made into a cake shop. The trade/footfall was so poor that it became totally pointless, so I left. Did cakes from home, kept it ticking over. Got pg with DS and then got a job which lasted till I was unfairly dismissed after 4 months (tho H had told me just to quit anyway as the stress was affecting my health).

Fast forward to today - we have moved again, to a tiny town with v few job opps. We moved for H's work; got DD into the local primary school and it's a nice place to be. Recently the hospital was recruiting, and H gave me a very hard time and a lot of pressure to apply for a job as a healthcare assistant, which I do not feel suits me.

I only get the CHB, have to ask for any other money - to which H responds with a sigh and a glare and "haven't you got any money?". Sometimes I take small amounts of cash from his pockets. With the CHB I pay for DD's school dinners, swimming lessons, clothes for the kids (from charity shop), shoes for the kids, food/drink/cleaning/toiletries bits and pieces throughout the month, gifts and cards for friends/family.
Last year I couldn't pay my phone bill so it got cut off. I knew why but pleaded ignorance - started using landline. I couldn't afford the bill, and I couldn't tell H or ask him to pay it. After a few months he confronted me and said he had therefore paid £16 a month for my phone calls and he would like the money back, please. He texted my mum and told her I'd been cut off, and that I had been "costing him" £15-20 a month. My family were horrified that he had been like that about it, and my brother has put me on his phone plan so that I never have to worry about it.

A few months ago, we had a huge row and he said that from now on, I must do 100% of the housework if he earns 100% of the income. Apparently the kids don't want for anything (not true actually, as CHB does not cover everything a child wants/needs), and as for me, i have nothing to complain about as I have a roof over my head and food to eat.

He buys and semi-hides large bottles of rum - i recently put out all the bottles for recycling and there were 7 from the previous 5-6 months, which was pretty mortifying to see. I also find little bags of weed in his sock drawer, and lighters in his pockets though he doesn't smoke fags. He goes to the pub freely once or twice a week.

He bought a £500 fucking whistles-and-bells fancy cooker without us looking at any different ones together, and then comments about my apparently lax care of the cooker HE bought that was SO expensive.

I don't drive, and he bought an old school minibus for £1500 and has been converting it into a camper van. Now that his car is kaput and he's going to have to get rid of it, he says he's "set on" just having a camper van and ditching the car and the current van. How can I drive that when I learn to drive?

i wanted to enrol on GCSE Maths at the college in the next town last year, to improve my employment chances, and suggested that, as he is quite flexible as an agency worker, he could fit his shifts around my weekly trips to town to study. He flat out refused.

He leaves everything for me to clear up, and for a while would e.g. decide the living room needed tidying and gather everything together and dump it in the middle of the floor - so that I had no choice but to deal with it.

Oh my god, I could carry on writing about incidents for pages and pages and pages.

I am so undervalued and am thinking about getting out of the marriage. The ££ side of things is just a part of a wider pattern of abuse, as I know is standard. I can't manage on just the Child Benefit all month, and I am nothing but an inconvenience, feeling like a guest in my own home, a feeling of earning my keep. I still feel like I have to prove myself, prove that I do enough, that I must show that I realise how much H does for us/how much I should be thankful that he is supporting us. And it makes me sick.

Fuck this. Thank you if you have read this far.

OP posts:
petalsandstars · 22/02/2017 13:51

It's all very well saying get a job but it sounds like the OP does all housework and childcare so would have to find a job out of the house and arrange and pay for (in advance) childcare for at least the little one if not both if after school plus holidays with no practical or financial support from H as he is evidently financially abusive. Yes outside work would help but escaping him is the priority surely, maintenance and benefits would support initially and work can come after.

kaitlinktm · 22/02/2017 17:43

Just to get this clear - with your CHB you buy "food/drink/cleaning/
toiletries" - is that all the food, including his? (Presumably he pays rent/council tax/gas and electricity?)

How can you buy ALL the food for four people, as well as school dinners, all the children's clothes, presents and cards with £34.50 a week? That's ridiculous!

HappyJanuary · 22/02/2017 19:48

I read it to mean that the CHB was spent on everything for the children (clothes, shoes, school dinners, swimming lessons), gifts and cards, and then the occasional additional food/drink/toiletry purchase - with her dh paying for the main weekly shop.

PinkGlitter17 · 22/02/2017 21:47

Harriet I was not looking for your sympathy. Of course I am not 'happy to rack up debts'. I am not 'pissing about' either. You really don't know the depth and extent of why I posted what i did.

OP posts:
PinkGlitter17 · 22/02/2017 21:49

Kaitlin - Happy is right. H does the main food shop, but I top it up as and when needed/as I can afford.

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PinkGlitter17 · 22/02/2017 22:08

Wow. I've been reading the replies as they've been posted today, and it's feeling really surreal. So many people telling me to leave. I have done the 'entitledto' calculator and it's a massive eye-opener.

I don't know about moving closer to my family or moving in with my parents. My dad can be abusive and I don't actually feel it's a safe place to be while he spreads his nastiness about.

I do want to get a job. H says he would fit his shifts around my rota so that he can do childcare when I am at work.

The original reason I posted about all of this was to talk about the fact that his behaviour constitutes financial abuse and to get some support from MNers. I am a bit shell-shocked by all the responses, to be honest. It's sent me into a bit of a spin. I was sitting with H and DCs at the breakfast table, looking at them and thinking about what it would look like if we left H. Usually when I've posted about things H has done/said, it's been in the middle of a really bad patch, and it's different writing about it when the waters are currently pretty calm.

I really appreciate all the replies. Thanks for taking time to advise me. While I was writing the OP, I felt as if people would read it and think I was being pretty unreasonable, that I didn't actually have much to complain about and should get a grip. Just shows how brainwashed I've become Sad

I see now that what I said is valid, and that I would be better off without him. It's a huge thing to swallow.

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Hutch2017 · 22/02/2017 22:08

Is staying with family not an option? coukd u borrow the money for deposit on a flat? u would get housing benefit and tax credits so woukd probably be better off financially away from him

HelenaDove · 23/02/2017 00:24

Harriet Her fucker of her husband is drinking rum secretly and hiding and using bags of weed.

Hes a fucking agency nurse. Would YOU want to be treated by him? NO? Thought not.

Wonder how good he would be at managing his money if HE didnt have any.

when the agency hes with find out the truth about this fuckwit.

And how much is his drink and illegal habit costing?

PsychedelicSheep · 23/02/2017 14:15

HCPs are allowed to have a drink you know. It doesn't make him unsafe to practice 🙄 So what if he smokes a bit of weed after work sometimes? As long as he's not going in drunk/stoned/hungover where's the harm?

The biggest caners I know work in the medical profession, probably coz it's bloody stressful!

Hutch2017 · 23/02/2017 16:31

Hiding it from his wife though?? weird.

HelenaDove · 23/02/2017 19:53

Well if there is nothing wrong with it why hide it then? And why is it ok to spend money on weed but not on the kids.

feministwithtitsin · 23/02/2017 20:31

I am surprised by some of the replies you are getting here OP.

Your H is clearly abusive. Family finances should not be split this way. You should both have equal access to money, and both make financial decisions. If your H wants to bring up financial matters and say he wants you to work, that's fine. But, he is using his position in the family to completely ride roughshot over you, he knows he has the financial advantage and is using that to his full advantage, turning you into his maid (an unpaid one at that).

Sounds like he enjoys the control and abuse.

Are people seriously suggesting it's ok for him to spend his wages as he wants? Spend 500 on a cooker with No consultation? No. He has a family to consider. He is completely negligent in that. Childrens clothes should come before night's out, rum and weed.

Leave this prick.

Mrskeats · 23/02/2017 21:17

Op I think you have been sucked into a toxic relationship here. It's not remotely normal to have to go through a partner's pockets to find a few quid.
Can you not confide in your brother?
Working in healthcare and smoking weed as well whilst his partner struggles? It's a no from me.

RedastheRose · 23/02/2017 22:19

Your H really is abusive and you really should think long and hard about what you want for your life. Do you want your DC's growing up thinking it is normal for one parent to treat another like this. Reading between the lines I assume that you have run up a fair bit of the debt you talk about paying for things for your dc's. You couldn't actually run up massive costs running a cake making business from home given that presumably you actually get paid when you deliver a cake and have accurately calculated the cost of producing the cake incorporating a profit element. In addition things like having a phone is an essential part of running any business no matter how small.

On the plus side you are not on the tenancy agreement so you are no in any way responsible for the ongoing rent if you decide to leave. Also, if you have run up debts supporting the family then I think you may find that they are family debts regardless of whose name they are in.

Decide what YOU want, if it is to leave then make your plans and contact the various sources of support the other PP have mentioned. Get yourself legal advice (check to see if you qualify for legal aid) as to whether your debts are joint debts and advice about your right on separating.

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