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55 replies

lovetobeatpeace · 16/02/2017 12:33

Sorry, this is going to be long.....

I think I'm coming to the realisation that I need to end my 8 year relationship on the basis that it isn't giving me what I need.

The very real struggle I'm having though is that he is a decent and kind man and on the face of it, there is nothing actually "wrong" as such. We rub along OK but there is virtually no intimacy, we see each other for maybe 12 hours per week on the weekend (this is not a long distance relationship btw) and speak on the phone sporadically during the week. I ALWAYS go to his place - he never comes to mine and I feel like the relationship has evolved on mostly his terms.

We holiday together and are lucky in that we both have high paying jobs so are able to enjoy nice places, hotels, experiences etc and he's been incredibly supportive and kind during my cancer battle a couple of years ago and issues with my mother & ex-h. We do have some lovely times for sure. On the rare occasions I get a glimpse of intimacy or we share a special moment, I literally want to weep.

He took me out on valentines night - had sent flowers and a card to my office, came to collect me for a surprise meal - all very thoughtful (which he is). During said meal we were loosely discussing him retiring in a year or so & we got onto the subject of planning/commitment (I'm sure I brought it up but can't properly remember). His response was that all I'm concerned about is how much money he can put my way. What?! This is an ongoing issue in our relationship - him thinking I'm some kind of gold digger & looking for a free ride. I am perfectly able to pay my own way (& do) I am not intending to retire for another 9-10 years at which point my mortgage will be clear and I have my own pension.

I ended up getting upset & went to the restaurant loo to have a cry.... he didn't really speak much after that. On the drive back to my house, he said it was the worst valentines day he's had other than when he was single (he's late 50's). I said I did appreciate the effort he's gone to but the sad look on his face as he drove away from my house made me feel bad. On paper, I should have been happy shouldn't I? Lots of people didn't even get a card.

So, since then I've really been thinking about whether this relationship makes me happy & overall I would say it doesn't. BUT, I'm questioning the validity of my own feelings. After my cheating ex ran off with OW I should be glad I'm with a good, kind, thoughtful man shouldn't I? What about if I never meet anyone else who's kind to me? Then I remember all the things about the relationship which I have come to accept as normal & wonder why I accept these things?

He thinks I'm after his money, sees me as intellectually inferior/stupid, doesn't fancy me (my post cancer body is different & that's pretty much when the sex stopped), we sleep in separate rooms as I snore/he's a light sleeper and I feel little I do is good enough to meet his (very) exacting standards. I wonder why he's still with me actually.

I am coming to realise also that I'm co-dependant in some way and have compromised myself almost out of existence. I know I'm a people pleaser, that I bend & flex to what others want to keep the peace. I saw my mother do it when I was growing up, I did it in my marriage & I'm doing it now. Not being honest with either myself or my partner/s and saying what I want/don't want for fear that they may not like it.

I was very clear last night (when I was journaling) on the facts as they are re my relationship, but in the cold light of day, my resolve is weakening. It's not so bad is it? I should be grateful that he's a good man, I could do much worse?. I feel frightened about ending things because my future would have nothing in it and perhaps I'd regret letting him go.

Can anyone help me unscramble my jumbled thoughts? Do I listen to and trust my inner voice or AIBU?

I could write loads more, but I feel so completely torn atm I need to find some clarity from somewhere.

Thankyou.

OP posts:
Theoscargoesto · 16/02/2017 17:50

I rarely post but your thread touched me. I am 56, my h left me for OW just over 2 years ago. It was a scary time, and I understand your reluctance to be alone, because at the time this all happened, my h leaving was emphatically not my choice, and I had not lived wholly on my own before.
However, 2+ years on, I am glad he has gone. I have had some counselling, and time to work on what I want, how much of me I'm prepared to give, and can honestly say that I am more me than I have been for years.

The main reason for posting is to say, you are not too old, and it will be ok. As a PP said, loneliness in a relationship is awful, draining and confidence sapping. You wonder if you'll look back and wonder if it would have been better if you stayed, but imagine looking back and wishing you hadn't.

OrlandaFuriosa · 16/02/2017 17:56

Op, pming you.

Shayelle · 16/02/2017 18:19

Youre wasting your life with this man. Set yourself free and be happy x

Zaphodsotherhead · 16/02/2017 18:23

OK, so he bought you flowers and took you out for a meal. That's because it's what people are supposed to do for Valentine's Day. You would have been happy with a cuddle.

He doesn't understand you. I'm not sure you understand yourself yet. Be alone a while, find out what you want, learn to say 'no'.

If you want cuddles, get a cat, in the meantime.

AnyFucker · 16/02/2017 18:26

Your definition of "thoughtful and caring" is very different to mine

JoeyJoeJoeJuniorShabadu · 16/02/2017 18:27

I'd boot him out the door and never let him near me again.
he's a prick.

AndTheBandPlayedOn · 16/02/2017 19:05

He is using you as a prop in his life. This is not decent nor kind.

Canlifegetbetter · 16/02/2017 19:32

When I started to read your initial post I wondered if he was on ASD as my ex very similar.Unable to handle any unhappiness on my part, a feeling that he was "good to me", outwardly calm and very charming, offered lots of gestures but I never felt he truly cared for me as a person.
He gave what he wanted, not what I needed.
Stonewalling was common which is soul destroying.

I hung in for years as had a dc and similar age to you but realised I knew it was the best it would be.When I tried to ask for more he became really hostile which has made it easier to leave.

Ultimately my ex is very, very self centred, maybe it's ASD but since it wouldn't change I had to leave.

My ex also assumed the worst in me that bordered on paranoia at times.I believe it comes from not being able to see another's persons perspective and very black & white thinking (I.e good or bad).

TVStanding · 16/02/2017 19:36

Hello lovetobeatpeace

I have sent you a private message

TheTombstonesMove · 16/02/2017 19:48

Hi OP,

Agree with pp, you sound pretty unhappy to me and you don't need to justify why you want to end a relationship, you just need to know that it's not working for you.

the thought of actually going through with ending our relationship fills me with dread - I wondered if it is the thought of having the "it's over" conversation that you dread, or the aftermath? It might help to mentally prep the conversation (as you would a difficult work meeting), and just remind yourself that in less than 12 hours, this could all be over. Freedom.

If it's the aftermath that you are dreading, then again, it's worth getting specific about what precisely you are dreading. Naming fears can weirdly lessen them a bit I think.

Wishing you lots of luck OP

sofiainwonderland · 16/02/2017 19:48

Place marking, late at night now (not in the UK), so I can remember writing to you tomorrow morning Smile

ElspethFlashman · 16/02/2017 19:49

Maybe he'd make a thoughtful friend. But he makes a shit boyfriend.

And I think therein is some of the problem.

The two of you are actually just friends. But he's in the wrong role, that of "boyfriend". So your expectations are of a boyfriend and he is incapable of acting like anything other than a friend.

Friends are thoughtful and supportive of each other during tough times. Friends go on holiday together. But friends don't snog, or fuck, or share a bed or plan futures together.

Since you have a bit of cash, please try a few sessions with a counsellor as.you have a lot of frustrations you need to verbalise and it would be very cathartic.

HappyHoliday2017 · 16/02/2017 20:40

50 is not OLD ! ! !

I think that "this man is not into you" and he does not sound very kind

I think that you have alot going for you

I would end this relationship, spend some time on your own
Go out with friends and enjoy yourself, laugh and do some things that you have always wanted to do
I think that you will meet someone in the future who will love you and want to live with you

OutToGetYou · 16/02/2017 21:36

lovetobeatpeace - it sounds SO similar.

I am scared too. We own a house together and I am going through sorting all that out. He also seems like a great guy to many people, but I have been let down so many times and have so many memories that are marred by 'oh, but then he got in a sulk about x and didn't speak to me for two days' or 'then he had a go at me and tried to make me do x which I didn't want to do and I felt bullied' - etc.

I also had red flags right from when we were first dating - but either I felt the relationship was 'worth' it, or that I was being too picky, or that it was as good as I could ever hope for.....

Like I said, I am having counselling!

NotInMyBackYard1 · 16/02/2017 21:48

You are NOT beholden to him because he makes you cups of coffee and sends your flowers/takes you out for dinner. These are nice signs of affection, not necessary but nice (and also occur both ways in our relationship - perhaps not the flowers though!), but there are many things he does do that are definitely NOT part of a nice normal happy relationship - you crying in the toilets when out for dinner, being made to feel inferior, a gold-digger, given no affection, no commitment. Why are you with him again?
There is definitely better out there waiting for you - staying with this useless excuse for a man is only stopping you from finding the right one.
Flowers

handsoffmecrownjules · 16/02/2017 22:13

"but he completely fails to see that he might be just another person who's treating me poorly."....
OP my lovely it seems to me that you already know the answer to your question. Re-read through what you have written on this thread - all of it perceptive, intelligent and astute. No way are you anybody's doormat. I wonder what are you getting out of this relationship? As others have suggested some counselling might give you the strength to make a final decision and then help you to identify why you recreate certain patterns in your life and how to break it. Good luck!

Canlifegetbetter · 16/02/2017 22:16

"felt the relationship was 'worth' it, or that I was being too picky, or that it was as good as I could ever hope for"

I would also add your partner sends confusing signals, some kind gestures but then treats you cruelly.It's hard to work out mixed signals especially when the bullying is not overt.If you are a compassionate, self aware person you probably look for reasons why he might have treated you in certain ways, taking some responsibility.The reality is your partner may not be a very nice person under the superficial charming facade.

Either way you deserve happiness and this man doesn't make you happy enough.You are still young so don't assume this is your last chance of love.

springydaffs · 16/02/2017 23:21

Dread of being on your own? Honestly, once you do it you'll be so grateful you did. Reading about your 'relationship' is painful. Must be agony living it Sad

EightiethElement · 16/02/2017 23:25

it's a horrible thing to accuse you of, being a gold digger.

It's no excuse but it's probably his own low self-esteem there............. his thinking must be along the lines of why would you be with him, he feels worthless so why would you be with him? EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE YOUR OWN MONEY

PreemptiveSalvageEngineer · 16/02/2017 23:39

I really picked up on you not having been single for any real length of time since you've been an adult. Probably a mistake, in hindsight. I think every woman needs to be on her own every now and then.

By way of example, a friend from my uni days was never "manless" - she would phase one man in whilst phasing the earlier one out - and even by the time I knew her, she had no idea who she really was. Her entire personality would just meld into her current boyfriend. One of her transitions, for instance, was literally from (in all but actual conversion) a devout Muslim to (next boyfriend) a bwer-drinking pork BBQ buffet frequenter. Watching her try to be exactly what she thought her current man wanted was heartbreaking and I lost contact with her after while.

I'm not saying your situation is anything like that extreme, but I do think you need to figure out who you are. You know some things (we do too!): you're intelligent, kind, practical and astute as heck (I am in awe of your financial sorted-ness and forward planning?). You're clearly good at your job and settled in your profession. You've had the strength and self-love to defeat cancer!

You also know what you're not - a gold digger, for instance.

But there are so many gaps in your self-awareness that being with him is blocking up.

I think when you lost this git and rediscover yourself, you're in for a very pleasant surprise. Smile

Izzy24 · 16/02/2017 23:49

Goodness, you have everything you need already.

Walk away from this person and into your future.

Think how amazing life will be when you're living it without everything you're putting up with at the moment.

mogratpineapple · 17/02/2017 00:02

You can find what you have in your relationship in a good (girl) friend. In fact, it could be ten times better.

Don't settle for crumbs.

I wish you luck xx

AGBforever · 17/02/2017 00:05

I would echo pp and say if you're not happy you don't need any other reason to end a relationship. You do not have to convince anyone else that you are 'right' about the specific issues.

More helpfully (I hope) I recently took a course where the instructor shared her personal set up of living with but separated from her EA husband of many years due to difficult circs. We became friends and subsequently have watched with awe and joy how she has embraced her new scary solo life (she was 54) and met online a lovely new man who treated her like gold and they have now married and are blissfully happy. In fact what first made me think of her when reading your OP was the snoring thing - she always used to joke about having to wear a copper bracelet (?) or something like that..

So I would say it's never too late to realise that you deserve to be happy - and go out there and get it!

lovetobeatpeace · 17/02/2017 10:53

Morning everyone and thanks so much for all your thoughtful replies. It's been so helpful to have some positive validation but equally sad that that positivity comes from people I've never met rather than my partner.

I spent a nice evening with dear friends last night and was able to switch off from my own situation for a few hours - I took notice of the fact they wanted to be with me, were interested in what I had to say and were complimentary about my job!

I am seeing partner this evening & we do have plans with another couple tomorrow so nothing re the relationship is going to happen immediately. I want and need to time to think things properly through, to get some therapy and make plans. I've also been guided to threads specifically for those of us with an AS partner and i need to do some reading there too.

Since discovering I'm co-dependent (only a couple of days ago) I did some reading on this yesterday. i was shocked yet strangely relieved that I ticked almost every single box in the "compliance" and "low self esteem" patterns associated with this. It's all starting to make sense why I tolerate such poor behaviour from others.

I don't particularly want to see partner this weekend but I can't change who I am overnight so have no intention of letting him down at this late stage. Our communication since Tuesday has been curt - so I'm not expecting great things this weekend.

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springydaffs · 17/02/2017 21:27

Day at a time op.

Just as long as you know what your end goal is. And everything is pointing towards that. And you don't lose track.