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Advice needed - heads totally fucked

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WankingMonkey · 26/01/2017 22:06

I don't really know what I hope to achieve by writing this. I guess I am just looking for unbiased opinions..this is likely to be long as I don't want to be dripfeeding later on so I will try to cover as much as I can

I have been with my husband coming up 10 years now. He has always been a bit jealous and possessive but its never caused any real problems until pretty recently. Yeah we have bickered about stuff, but never properly fell out over it.

This will seem irrelevant but it may go someway to explaining some of the recent behaviour. I don't know if it does as I do tend to think sometimes he uses this as an excuse but anyway. My mother has always favoured my sister. I have in the past got upset about this. My mother also did not come to my wedding. She had plans, though there was a few months notice and honestly, its something thats easily rearranged/cancelled. She has also previously fell out with my husband though they seem to get on fine now.

I rarely go out on my own. This is partly as we are very skint and partly as I canot be arsed to deal with the strops that would happen if I did. I know this makes me seem a fool from the offset for putting up with this, but as I said, its never really been that much of an issue before. However, because of this, I have pretty much isolated myself from my group of 'friends outside of him'.

I am currently on medication for chronic pain issues. My pain means I am often unable to do anything at all besides lie/sit in agony for hours on end. When this happens, he deals with the children as I can only give cuddles and talk to them. I am quite sure I could not manage on my own due to this, though I know thats not a reason to ignore this (what I think is) pretty shocking behaviour.

So. It has been my birthday recently. My mother paid for a spa day with overnight stay for me as she said I could do with a break plus she had done the same for my sister on her birthday. I was pretty happy, its quite rare I spend any time one on one with my mother, and though we have had problems in the past about various things, we are pretty close and tend to get on well. She informed me of this a month or so before we were due to go. My husband had a bit of a bitch on about it, long the lines of 'she doesn't care any other time so why now' and such, that I brushed off and told him to not be so silly and that I was looking forward to it. Then everything seemed fine. Until 2 weeks before I was due to go when he suddenly decided that he absolutely had to go to the same spa. He knew round about when we were going but dates aren't his strong suit. He went ahead and booked for the 23rd Jan. He then claimed that this was nothing to do with us, just something he wanted to do. I was suspicious tbh as he is not really a spa person at all and it just seemed too coincidental that he had had a problem previously and then happened to book for that date..so (and I may have been in the wrong here) I lied to him and said that thats perfectly fine as we were going on the 21st so would be back intime for him to go so there would be no issues with childcare and that. He then 'randomly' decided that he didn't want to go on the 23rd, but he absolutely had to go on the 21st. Now, I knew he was just trying to cause problems for sure. At this stage I told him he was just being a dick, and that he could go anytime he wanted and he was obviously trying to cause trouble..he denied this and stuck to his 'I just want to go, and just happened to book what I thought was the same day as you, then change it the same day as you when I thought I was wrong on the date you were going..total coincidence'. After this followed 3 DAYS of bitching on. Saying I should cancel with my mam as she doesn't 'give a fuck any other time' and then trying to persuade me to go with him instead...even then deciding that me and him were to go the night before I was due to go with my mam, then me go back. At this stage I was just irritated with him and (again I may be at fault here) started just either ignoring his snipes or giving sarcastic replies. He continued kicking off and eventually I snapped and told him to grow the fuck up and pull himself together and under no circumstances would I be not going to this day/night with my mother. He then decided to tell me hes not been feeling himself recently and tried to tell me he had attempted suicide by tying a plastic bag round his head..but failed as there was holes in. Now, call me cynical but I knew this was bullshit, but on the offchance he was actually feeling suicidal instead of trying to manipulate me, I said that if he was really feeling that way he should speak to a GP. He called the GP the next day and got a sameday appointment, was given some antidepressants and a follow up appointment for the next week. He did not take the tablets, and cancelled the appointment for the next week also. He then kept dropping little comments pitying himself because I was so horrible as to still stick to my spa day when I knew he was feeling down, and so on. He was behaving so erratically I asked his father to watch the kids the night I was away. Because both...there was a 0.01% chance he was actually ill and not trying to be a dick and was a bit worried about leaving the kids with him if he was as unstable as he was coming across, plus I could see him deciding the day before or something that he couldn't watch the kids as a means of giving me no option but to stay home. Obviously his dad wanted to know what the hell was going on, so I told him. He called my husband and told him to stop being such an idiot..at this stage my husband tried playing the 'I have done nothing wrong' card and accused me of making it all up...however, after his conversation with his dad, during which his dad told him in no uncertain terms that he knows I did not make it up...everything seemed to calm down.

Infact, things seemed...too good. I should have suspected something at this stage really as it was a bit odd to switch from how he had been...to offering to pack my bags and being overly happy about the whole situation. So the day came, I went, everything seemed to be fine. I got to sleep before 12am for the first time in months (I don't sleep well) and then at 1.30am..we are knocked out of bed by the hotel receptionist. She tells my mam that there has been a drunk guy on the phone who is saying he is my husband and there is something wrong with my children as a means to speak to me. I called him back off my mothers mobile and he slurs 'I don't like being in this house on my own, come home now'. I know he is pissed..its blatantly obvious. I cannot be arsed with his drunken paranoia and stuff and am so tired and just told him I would speak to him when he was sober. He tells me he hasn't touched a drop of alcohol and the only reason he is slurring is because he currently (whilst talking to me) has a sandwich in his mouth (?!). He won't answer anything about the kids..so I say bye and call his dad to check if the kids are actually ill as was claimed or if (and this was my suspicion) he was trying to manipulate me again. Obviously, turned out there was nothing wrong with the kids, but his dad wanted to know why I had called him at 1.30 asking about them so again, I am not going to lie about it. I told him. I should probably mention at this stage, that he threatened the receptionist. I am not sure exactly what he said to her, but she told us he had threatened her and was saying he would come down there and bless her she seemed so apologetic even though it was not her fault at all. She also said if he did turn up, she would have to phone the police. I said fine, it might teach him a lesson to be banged up for the night as he can't go around threatening random people. About 15 mins after this, I get a call back off my father in law...my husband had claimed he was asleep all fucking night and that the call off his dad had just woken him up. So yet again trying to make out I was making it all up. His dad had then asked what he was playing at calling the hotel and threatening the receptionist and he said she was making it up (tripping up his 'I was fast asleep' story at the same time)...this is a woman who has never met him ever, has no axe to grind at all, and who was simply doing her job. Again, his dad told him he was being an arsehole and hung up. I then got a text saying nothing but 'goodbye' which I took to be him threatening suicide or something, and this may not have been my finest hour as I guess there was a small chance he was serious but I told my mam that I was 100% sure he was just manipulating me again...so fuck him. And ignored it. It also came out when I did get home (no earlier than planned) that he had spent all of our money out on the piss, buying everyone rounds and stuff. I was soo pissed off as we are so short on cash anyway at the moment and he had spent over 200 quid in a night. All seemingly to punish me for daring to go somewhere without him...

That was the end of all of that. Then my dad upon hearing of the whole event commented on my mothers facebook status about the spa, that 'it should have been a nice relaxing night if someone didn't ruin it. Some leopards never change their spots' or something. I hate facebook dramas but what my dad puts is upto him and its not really like anyone (bar me, my husband and his father) would even know what the hell he was on about. So the next morning I am woken up by my husband banging around going on about some 'dickhead' and that. I ask what on earths the matter and he says my dad put up that about him..well I knew this the day before but I guess he just didn't see it til the morning. He then bangs around a bit more muttering on, then comes back in with a huge smile on his face saying 'I told your arsehole father whats up'. With dread I check facebook and he has put up a status directed at my father calling him a dickhead and saying he needs to 'take a look at his wife before slagging others off'...so also insulting my mother at the same time. He then proceeds to tell me that my parents are no longer welcome in this house, and pretty much offers me an unltimatum between him and them...which I ignored completely. I hate people who ask others to make decisions like that (especially over something so small...). I then started texting my mam asking her/my dad to please not reply and put our lives on facbook even though I know that I would have a hard time not replying to that. I told my mother about what had gone on and she said it was a disgusting thing to ask me and that noone should ever expect their partner to make a choice like that. So that day...a lot of stropping and such, and random mentions of how he 'spoke to that girls manager and she will probably get sacked' for 'lying about him' and such. Yeah right...sure she will. Even less sure when I wrote out a whole comment card thing complimenting her on how professional she was throughout it all and apologising to her once again on behalf of my husband...

Today...it just seems he is wanting to argue for nothing. He woke me up this morning going on about how if I want him to leave he will leave and why don't I just tell him I don't want to be with him and such. I told him if he wants to leave thats up to him but not to make out it was my decision. He then decided he was sorry for saying this and that he didn't mean anything, but starts going on about how I should 'stick up for him' against my parents. I told him I would, if he was in the right but I do not think he is. Quiet for a bit, then he starts making cryptic comments about ultimatums and how he wouldn't like the answer (my message to my mum about this was something along the lines of 'if he pushes me for an answer, he won't like the answer I give' so it was fairly clear he had been reading my facebook messages). Pretty much brushed it off as I just feel so drained. Just kinda said 'ok' to pretty much everything for the rest of the day and didn't speak properly to him at all as I was so annoyed. Then he starts bleating on about getting some protein powder for the gym. We have had discussions about this before and when he started doing the gym he agreed that until our money situation is better...he wouldn't be asking for crap like that. Honestly, after how much of our money he wasted I felt he had such a cheek even mentioning this protein rubbish. I told him we do not have 30 quid to buy some powder that he doesn't need. He stropped. He asked again, I answered the same. He stropped and said he wouldn't bother going to the gym at all as there is no point without using protein powder. I stayed calm (though was screaming inside) and said that if he didn't want to go to the gym anymore, its entirely his choice. Half an hour later, he starts banging on about the powder again. I am sick to the back teeth of it all at this stage so I go upstairs out of the way, he shouts me back down and I say no, I have had enough. Hear a load of banging, which was clearly him throwing stuff around (though again, he denies that he threw anything, claims he fell over...4 times in a row and whilst muttering onto himself about how horrible I am)...and now here I am writing this out on my laptop in my bedroom while he huffs downstairs.

I am pretty sure this behavior isn't normal. What the fuck do I do? I cannot deal with anymore of this childishness and I have kids to think about also who don't need to see their father behaving like a petulant teenager.

Or is it me that needs to be more understanding..am I blowing this out of proportion?

My head is up my arse tbh.

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Aspiringcatlady · 26/01/2017 23:17

Get rid. He is abusive.

BelarusianDoll · 26/01/2017 23:18

He's trying to gaslight you, but is clearly too thick to make a decent job of it. His bastard-ness is glaringly obvious.

Run for the hills. The man sounds unhinged. All the pretend suicide threats are pathetic.

Good luck OP!

WankingMonkey · 26/01/2017 23:24

We rent. Joint tenancy. All of our income goes into his accounts. This is my choice, as I had gambling issues a few years back and I do not even have my own bank account now.

I also do think theres a chance of physical danger, though for me not for the children, when leaving. Even though he offered to go this morning I really do not think he meant it at all and I can not see it ever being a quiet thing..not really sure why I didn't just say yes when he said that this morning tbh. I don't want the kids to see anything like that happening so I think my plan is to get either my parents or his dad to have them tomorrow straight from school and do it then.

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NettleTea · 26/01/2017 23:26

On a practical front do you claim PIP for your chronic condition - given that you need alot of help you stand a good chance of getting it and then you can get help when you are ill and struggle, though sounds as if your family (and even HIS family) might even be willing to help if you were away from him.

He sounds dreadfully abusive. You need to get your children away from him before they grow up thinking this is normal. You at least have seen a life outside this marriage, they have not. They have nothing to compare to, so are likely to follow the same examples, so if its just to save them from a life of feeling how you do, get them away from this monster

kittybiscuits · 26/01/2017 23:28

I think you are bang on once again and it's essential to prioritise the physical safety of yourself and your DCs. I would be concerned about what he would do if he feels he has lost control of the situation.

Offred · 26/01/2017 23:28

He sounds absolutely and dangerously off his rocker...

How on earth you have managed to remain so utterly sensible, patient and calm in the face of this I have no idea... what strength of character!

Plan sounds a good un as yes, think he is dangerous.

CatBallou2 · 26/01/2017 23:34

From what you've written here, his behaviour is not rational. You can't carryon living this way.

tipsytrifle · 26/01/2017 23:34

It may be a blessing in disguise that you didn't say yes, he should leave. I totally agree with your plan to get your parents to take dc from school (not sure I'd trust his - he is their son no matter how unhinged and dangerous) and make an immediate exit with whatever you can grab on the way out. You will need to redirect finances, maybe into a new a/c of your own (are you really likely to relapse on the gambling at this point in time?) or into maybe a joint a/c with dm or df if you're worried. BUT getting out immediately is the priority and if your parents are willing then this is a first step towards saving yourself and dc. I think you need to take steps to ensure he can't remove the kids from school too but you would need official advice on how to do that.

As it's a joint tenancy then he has as much right as you to be there anyway, especially as I think you're married? But this issue can hang on for a little while.

I'm saying go for it OP ...

WankingMonkey · 26/01/2017 23:35

Yes I currently claim PIP.

I'm in a bit of shock at the moment so sorry if I am slow to reply, I'm just kinda sat thinking, how the fuck have I not noticed until recently. Little things, all clicking now. Jesus.

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NettleTea · 26/01/2017 23:40

Thats good that you get PIP. You can get an enhanced disability payment I believe if you live alone - thats to help pay for things you need help with.

Look up Narcissists

Or this thread

tipsytrifle · 26/01/2017 23:42

You woke up, WM - that's what happened. The final straw and all that. Let THAT energy guide you now. Protect yourself and dc - maybe best not to tell them anything of your plan until it unfolds and they are safe? I know that sounds awful but it might be for the best because this is going to put him in that corner and you all need to be away from him when he goes "boom".

I'm thinking police involvement would be appropriate once you're out because you might be able to get some kind of restraining order given his extreme behaviour?

LexieLulu · 26/01/2017 23:50

Could you not go to your parents with the kids? They could help out if you're in pain. Stay there for a week or so and tell your husband to leave.

You could inform his dad what's happening and he could assist?

tipsytrifle · 26/01/2017 23:59

Perhaps I was expanding your plan a little, OP, to include you in the leaving tomorrow. If you plan to stay and ask him to leave, with dc at your parents, then a call to the police in advance - outlining the emotional, financial abuse and likely physical explosion - might be worthwhile. Because that "boom" is kind of inevitable and I don't see how you can let the dc come home once you've made your stand.

SoTheySentMeA · 27/01/2017 00:05

If my DP had this much of a bitch-fit about anything, let alone going away with my mother, he'd be out the door so fast his fucking balls would have to catch up!

I can't believe how long you have put up with this for, get rid of him before the children start copying gis controlling abusivr behaviour!

SoTheySentMeA · 27/01/2017 00:05

He is PATHETIC

mainlywingingit · 27/01/2017 00:06

He actually sounds like he has a mental problem . Seems delusional, confused , paranoid, manic and obsessive . I think you need to go the GP with him As he needs to be properly assessed.

WankingMonkey · 27/01/2017 00:09

Yes for some reason it never really occurred to me that I could just leave at the same time as them. I don't plan to ask him to leave really, I wouldn't want this place after this as I would be...worried that he knew how to find me easily :/ God, I have gone from rationalizing it all to actually being quite scared in the space of an hour or so. What a headfuck.

If my DP had this much of a bitch-fit about anything, let alone going away with my mother, he'd be out the door so fast his fucking balls would have to catch up!

This used to be me! Honestly. It might be hard to believe at the moment reading my posts but I put up with not even a tiny bit of shit from anyone

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mumgointhroughtorture · 27/01/2017 00:10

You need a freedom programme or dv abuse group coz these red flags couldnt be any stronger. You are in a controlling, abusive relationship. He is trying to isolate you from your family atm . With an abuser their main focus is on you and hes proved he will throw every toy hes got out his pram if he doesn't get his own way.
This is typical behaviour . and like with narcisstic people you are being punished atm for daring to do something for yourself. He is a role model to your Sons (if you have them ) and you are the role model to your Daughter's (if you have girls) there is a chance your Children will become what they see , Would you be happy to see your Daughter taking this from a man when shes older? Or your Son doing this to a girlfriend ? You need to get out for the sakes of your kids aswell as your own sanity.

tipsytrifle · 27/01/2017 00:19

Waking up to the accumulation of all this abuse is bound to trigger adrenaline and your mind reacts with fear. You understand, innately, what needs to be done and the "old you" is talking loud and clear. Please don't paralyse yourself with fear; you need to get out asap with a simple plan that avoids his response. Everything else can be sorted from a distance.

I can't see how attending a GP appt with him would work at this point as he would hardly agree to seeing his behaviour as manic,manipulative, threatening, obsessive, abusive, delusional - except as a ploy to keep you there. Your and dc safety and sanity would be the keywords here. In my opinion.

cordeliavorkosigan · 27/01/2017 00:21

I bet your own health starts to improve the day he's out the door. Hoping it goes well for you op

Ketchuponeverythingplease · 27/01/2017 00:21

I am literally open mouthed at this abuse! It is gob smackingly bad.

Your life and your children's lives must be HIDEOUS. All that constant pressure, you must all be exhausted.

AshesandDust · 27/01/2017 00:28

All that stress and mental mind games is bound to have an impact on your health - I don't know how you cope.
Don't be alone in the house with him when you tell him you're leaving - get his dad or his cousin to wait in another room until you're out of there.
Good luck Flowers

MiscellaneousAssortment · 27/01/2017 00:29

I hope you're ok and 'waking up' hasn't floored you completely for too long. What a horrible awakening.

WankingMonkey · 27/01/2017 00:30

Seems his cousin has mentioned something to him about me asking about steroids. Hes just came into the room and said 'no I am not on steroids..if I was people would know about it, the whole house would be smashed up and all the people in it'

Fuck.

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Ketchuponeverythingplease · 27/01/2017 00:35

Is he reading this thread?