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Keeping up the pretence......

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pudding21 · 13/01/2017 10:25

I often lurk on Mumsnet and like some of the no nonsense advice that gets dished out. So looking for some wisdom.

Bit of background, I have been in a relationship with my partner (not married, he never wanted to until recently) for 21 years. I was very young (17) when we got together, 2 DS's, nearly 9 and 5. We live overseas (for the last 5 years), I work full time, he is a stay at home dad. This was not the plan but the way things turned out and he has never tried to get a job here (its all just too difficult). He has no drive or ambition and I think he is happy for me to take on the role of breadwinner.

He is a very anxious person, angry, lacks patience and can be incredibly critical. What people see in public is not how he is at home. Some days I literally want to stab him because he goes on and on and on about very simple things. Some of this I understand is his self esteem is low because he isn't working (although for me it doesn't make a difference if he was happy in his role as the stay at home dad). I work full time but still pull my weight at home but he still whinges at me that I don't do enough. For example, if I leave a cup on the side, he complains loudly. He mutters under his breath all the time. Sometimes I feel like I can't breathe. I still do the food shopping, do my share of cooking, get the kids ready, put them to bed etc. He has a good deal. I appreciate what he does, but he complains about his situation a lot, which makes me think he just isn't happy at all. He has always been a bit like this, but its been exaggerated with him at home all the time. Now, if he wanted to be out all day, meeting friends etc so long as we had food in the house and it was relatively tidy I wouldn't mind. I am quite happy for him to do what he wants. But he has this marytr type attitude and it drives me insane.

The last 18 months have been very difficult as things got much worse, egg shells constantly, him shouting at me and the kids. The lack of patience is awful, the tone in his voice irritates me. We can't leave the house as a family without there being stress (him, no one else). He says things, then forgets what he said, and because I don't like conflict I smooth it over so we can go on our day. I think he emotionally abuses me, passive aggressive etc and probably has done for a long time. Usually he is grumpy the first half of the day, and then as evening approaches and we have had dinner he starts to relax. We can still have a laugh and amazingly still have quite a good sex life. In November I was ready to leave him, but persuaded myself to give it one last chance. I told him deal breakers going forward were rages (he was doing this a lot, swearing and shouting at me in front of the kids, constant comparing and being competitive about who does more etc (this has improved) and paranoia and jealousy (seems better but I don't know if it is lying stagnant).

He knows I was at the end of my tether, and he thinks things have improved. BUT.......I have tried really hard, but I find myself feeling very negatively about him and I get really wound up with his lack of patience and respect for me. I quite often have a heavy heart and think "why did you have to say that?".

For example, last week we all had the dreaded Norovirus. He was violently sick for 24 hours, I sorted everything out with the house, the kids, works, made sure he had everything and took care of him. I wasn't sick but had diarrohea and its lasted a week. This morning he said "I don't think you really had the virus, i think you just said it to get in on the action". So no level of empathy (I felt like shit all week).

Also, his mother was just staying with us for 6 days. They don't get on, and he makes the whole situation very uncomfortable. I quite like his mum, she ican come across as a bit cold hearted and isn't really interested in the kids, but she isn't as bad as he makes out. In my eyes, she is his mum, she brought him up he should have some respect for her. But he can be quite cruel.He treats her with the same distaste as he does me at times. It made me feel really uncomfortable. He also drinks a lot, he was sneaking in alcohol while his mum was here, and then denies it.

So, my question is really, how do people make the move to leave when essentially you still love a person very much, but you feel you would be happier on your own. I could go on all day, there is a lot of history and genuinely I do love him. But I don't want to continue to live like this, and even though I vowed to try, there is a deep nagging in me that knows I don;t want to live like this for the rest of my life.

At Christmas time, my son went into his man cave for something and found a box of Chocolates. I didn't say anything as I assumed they were a suprise for me. Any way on Xmas day I didn't get them so a few days later I asked why and he couldn't explain. I think honestly he ate them.....but I was almost hoping he had given them to a woman, so i could take the moral high ground and have an excuse to leave. Does that sound crazy?

Sorry for the long post, and thanks in advance for any words of wisdom!!

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MadameCholetsDirtySecret · 08/02/2017 11:12

Well done. Enjoy your new happy life.

hellsbellsmelons · 08/02/2017 13:18

none of whom have been in the slightest bit suprised
This speaks volumes!
Well done on getting things sorted to separate so quickly.
Stay strong.

HarmlessChap · 08/02/2017 13:42

He clearly has issues. What is at the root of those issues I'm not sure.

You've moved overseas and he is a SAHD, does he have any social network over there or is he totally isolated. If its the latter then there might be resentment of the fact that you have a life beyond the four walls and he doesn't.

Not that that means how he is is OK or you should tolerate it but there may be more to it.

pudding21 · 08/02/2017 13:50

Harmless chap: he does. I've tried to help. He was on anti depressants but chose to stop them because he didn't think they did anything. We have friends here, but he doesn't persue anything other than outside our couple dom. Its been like chinese water torture for me for the last 2 years.

My mental health is at stake here. I am anxious and miserable. I either give up and accept thats my life forever or fight for it.

He also had a jo offer a few months ago, didn't persue it again. English owner and a friend of ours. It was an olive branch but he didn't take it. Said he couldnt because of the kids which is bull because they are at school from 9-5:30 every day. And I work form home.

He leaves everything that might be a challenge to me, and stil lthinks I don't do enough.

I hope now he will get help for his alcohol dependency and anxiety or whatever it is, and make sure he doesn't fuck the relationship with the boys who already think he is a miserable bastard.

I could go on for weeks about what has happened in the past, the names hes called me and the kids, the aggression, the put downs, the constant feeling of me not being good enough for him.

There might be a slight possibility of a way back, but I owe it to myself and the boys to teach them if your integral self is being threatened, you protect yourself, not role over like a doormat and swallow it down so it makes life easier. It doesn't.

I love him dearly, and if plays nice, I will be here for him forever. 21 years is too long not to have an emotional attachment and care. I'm terribly sad. It hasn't been an easy decision to make.

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Hurleygirl123 · 08/02/2017 13:59

Just stumbled on this thread, am just about to separate this weekend ( he's moving out), been married 20 yrs with 3 dds eldest 14. Am full of admiration for you..your lovely children deserve better, and should not have to put up with his selfish nonsense behaviour, all the best to you Flowers

grittypetal · 08/02/2017 14:03

pudding21, i was in a very similar situation. My dp moved out 2 years ago. I must admit that since then he got a grip of himself and became much better at sorting himself out. Could it be that you have been mothering him too much over the 21 years? Enjoying looking after him as part of yourlittle family? That he just let it roll and happen and you grew resentful?
If you love him then do not let it slip away completely. Make sure he knows you still love him! Maybe trying to explain to him the reason you are separating is not lack of love on your side.
You never know, he might pull himself together with the distance you're now putting between you and you'll get better on that before.

pudding21 · 08/02/2017 14:09

Hi gritty petal: no I havent mothered him at all. Our relationship was balanced before but there always was issues. I used to think it was our circumstances, but they changed and he didn't.

I haven't mention he called me a cunt in front of my kids on more than one occasion, spat at me, he has thrown things at me, and in the summer put his hands round my throat. They are just a few things. he is massively insecure now (never used to be) and I feel he hates me even though he says he loves me. I once had a miscarriage, he neglected me totally and thought I should snap out of it in a week. He didn't even come with me to any of the appointments (I had to have D&C) three months later. I was a mess. He didn't understand. He has little empathy. I tried real hard.

I love him but I am not IN love with him if I am honest. I have probably met his emotional needs more than he meets his own, but I don't feel like I have mothered him.

I won't fight for this, he needs to change his whole outlook.

@grittypetal: now DP has got a grip on himself would you consider going back?

I should also add my mum has a similar relationship with my Dad and after having long frank talks with her, she also wants to leave him and has done for years. She told me "dont let him destroy you".

There is so much more to this than I can write, but it isn't easy.

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pudding21 · 08/02/2017 14:10

Hurely girl: good luck xx

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grittypetal · 08/02/2017 15:22

well, dear pudding... the thing is, in retroscept we are all wiser, aren't we.. he's sorted himself out but was convinced by then that i won't have him back, we didn't communicate well during the separation period. Another woman got the "better" him now..

Alpies · 10/02/2017 14:02

Just stumbled across this thread. How r u getting on OP?

pudding21 · 10/02/2017 16:54

Hi, thanks for the lovely replies and concern. I haven't had time to reply them all as today I am shifting stuff between the houses and building flat pack furniture. All by myself. Inner warrior channeled. Things are calm, last night we talked a bit, and even managed a bit of a joke. I appreciate for him it did seem like a shell shock so I am cutting him a bit of slack. Ive remained firm though and told him he isn't going to change my mind and I cannot tell him what lies in the future.
Kids have been amazing, I showed them the house last night and they love it. Its only about a 1/3 of the size of our home, but its nice. The youngest was disappointed we weren't staying yesterday. The eldest has been a darling.
I will reply to everyone individually tomorrow when I can, but just wanted to drop in and say I am OK and safe smile
Take care and thanks again

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NoraDora · 10/02/2017 17:05

Wow OP... wishing you strength as you leave. Your stbex sounds vile. You are doing the right thing by your kids.

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