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Accused by the Ex of using him as cheap babysitting

52 replies

BantyCustards · 09/01/2017 15:46

I asked Ex to have DC an extra night. He accused me of having plans to go out and wanting cheap babysitting.

This is the man who worked overtime without even asking me if it was ok - he just assumed I was 'free' and who refused to change his work hours so I could work around him so I could financially contribute and who expected any childcare to come out of my wages.

He's that convincing in his arguments I am actually questioning my position - can I have opinions?

OP posts:
RoseOfSharyn · 09/01/2017 19:29

when I mentioned that they would like to start again, he replied that I was only interested in myself, clearly meaning that I wanted to dump her on him so I could live it up.

This made me chuckle pink. Not because it's funny but because of a similarly stupid thing my ex said/did.

After 5 years of never leaving the house because I wasn't allowed, I started going out with friends again 1 night a week while ex had DCs.

He found out through a friend of his that had seen me in my local 2 weeks in a row and stopped paying maintenance.

Apparently 'if you can afford to go out on the lash every Saturday you don't need my money'. I did explain that I used MY income to fund my nights out and maintenance went towards housing, cleaning, feeding, etc OUR children. But he couldn't seem to work that out. Hmm

BantyCustards · 09/01/2017 19:53

Sorry you have children with an utter cunt, Rose.

OP posts:
pinkunicornsarefluffy · 09/01/2017 21:36

rose I had that one too, when I asked him to pay for half school uniform, he said if I had enough money to go out drinking every (other) week then I could afford uniform.

I told him I drink before I go out, friends buy me drinks if I've got no money, and that it was none of his business what I spend MY money on, I could be a millionaire and he would still have to pay for DC. -£25 a week which I assure you is all spent on DC.

Why do they have to be such knobs!

BantyCustards · 09/01/2017 22:05

Because society enables their knob-fuckery.

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likeaZombie · 09/01/2017 22:20

Sorry to say I've got a similar ex, the money arguments seem especially familiar. £40 a week didn't even cover nursery fees so it definitely was not his money paying for my event ticket and drinks that week. I also still do all of the dropping off and picking up. I wouldn't even start an argument by asking for a contribution to uniform or school shoes, it's a struggle but he has to live with himself.
Where do these 'men' and their attitude come from?

springydaffs · 09/01/2017 22:21

The use of the word 'babysitting' when spending time with your own children is a very pertinent word which clearly locates the attitude of the parent who uses it.

Poncey way of saying your points are full of shit, Louise. Imo.

peppatax · 09/01/2017 22:25

Going to go against the grain here and I offer to 'babysit' my DD on the nights her dad has her but wants to go out. We have shared custody though so it's a bit different - I see it as extra time with her and if I'm free I'd rather he take me up on 'babysitting' than using someone else.

pinkunicornsarefluffy · 09/01/2017 22:26

banty it's great how they think that they enable us to live the high life isn't it , by giving us child maintenance and looking after the DC. Grin

SandyY2K · 09/01/2017 22:27

You don't babysit your own kids period. Nobody ever uses the term when mums look after their children. It really pisses me off.

You take care or look after your children.

pinkunicornsarefluffy · 09/01/2017 22:29

peppa I see what you're saying and yes great to get extra time. That's what XH offered initially, but then made out like he was doing me a massive favour rather than choosing to have extra time with DC.

SandyY2K · 09/01/2017 22:31

Apparently 'if you can afford to go out on the lash every Saturday you don't need my money'.

So he wanted you to live indoors and not socialise for the rest of your life then. Total idiots such men are.

BantyCustards · 09/01/2017 22:59

Are there any 'normal' men out there (I know there must be but I have yet to meet one - even my own father was an enabling ditherer)

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RoseOfSharyn · 10/01/2017 00:24

Sandy pretty much. He kept me locked up for the best part of 5 years. If I dared to go out I'd be physically and mentally battered for weeks.
As soon as I left him and took control of my own life he was furious that he wasn't in control any more and he thought he could use the money as a way to control me anyway.

Backfired massively when he realised I didn't need the money and I still went out! Grin

RoseOfSharyn · 10/01/2017 00:27

And it was a further kick in the nuts to him when he refused to 'babysit' his children, so I paid for an actual 'babysitter' and didn't let him ruin my plans! Smile

NapQueen · 10/01/2017 00:27

I would just say to him "I'll remember this when you need a favour next".

SandyY2K · 10/01/2017 07:58

Backfired massively when he realised I didn't need the money and I still went out!

Well done Rose.

I'm glad you escaped from him and sorry you went through a horrible 5 years of abuse.

reggaesongbird · 10/01/2017 08:30

Ugh. My ex keeps doing OT without discussing it with me, scuppered two parties for me in December and I discovered I have no childfree weekends at all in February, really pisses me off!

SuiteHarmony · 10/01/2017 09:52

Back up a bit.

OP, you said you are sick, and that's why you wanted him to have the children an extra night.

Regardless of the babysitting terminology, this is a situation where parent A is not well, and parent B should be a willing and cooperative first backup. Parent A being unwell, Parent B should, where possible, make the necessary arrangements to sub in.

I've had all sorts of failed experiments with ExH where I've asked him to 'babysit' in the normal understanding of the role (i.e. If he's not free, I'll ask my teen neighbour). But illness is a childcare issue, not a 'going out' issue, and that has to be recognised as such.

LouisevilleLlama · 10/01/2017 17:38

Atenco I disagree, obviously I don't know OPs ex but I think you can get pleasure in looking after your children even want more but if they have a schedule then you can get annoyed they don't want to keep yo ot especially if last minute, there are literally 1000's of posts on MN about parents getting pissed off because the other parent has decided they can't parent their child that time.

Also with the babysitting as they are split up during the times they're with OP obviously he has some parental responsibility but the majority of the day to day care is meant to be OPs responsibility. but at the time I wrote it I was under the impression OP wanted to go out seems she didn't so if it's a general attitude of when he spends time with his children that is unacceptable but if it's meant to be her time to parent her children but she wanted a night out to get pissed and wanted him to have the children to look after she would have been using him as a babysitting replacement, hence a cheap babysitter. he could see it as parenting but the service he would be replacing would be a babysitter.

SVJAA I didn't say she couldn't have a break I was under the assumption that they had times scheduled when they both had their DC, as such If OP wanted him to parent their children on her scheduled time it would be her that wasn't letting him have a break (if it was all equal).but I didn't say it was out of order either for her to want him to have the children I just think people get hung up on this babysitting term and it doesn't actually help OP to focus on that.

And I still don't think from when I wrote my comments I was wrong as I took it she wanted to go out and so in that scenario I doubt she was doing it out the goodness of her heart oh I'll give the ex some time to see his dc so I'll go out, more I want to go out babysitting is expensive so I'll ask the DF to look after the DC not on his scheduled time hence literally cheap babysitter, he could see it as parenting but still being used as a cheap babysitting alternative as it's not that she wanted to just give him time with DC but because she needed someone to look after the DC whilst she went out.

There's tons of threads about parents being annoyed that the other parent can't do their scheduled parental time. After I logged off MN it seems she didn't want to go out and if he sees anytime he sees his DC as that then yes I agree it's not acceptable but At the time of writing I didn't have that information.

this thread was asking for counter arguments yet everybody has focused on the term babysitter if anything I'm one if not the only poster that has offered some actual advice about counter arguments.

SaltySeaDog I've explained above

Springy wasn't too poncy - didn't need you to explain it to me. I'm not full of shit thanks.

Not many counter arguments the OP wanted, lots focusing on the babysitting terminology, im sure that will be helpful the next time there's a discussion between her and the ex. My first post actually did give OP some advice and wasn't just about the term babysitting

SVJAA · 10/01/2017 17:55

All this talk of schedules and "my time" "his time", rules, regulations and all the other bullshit is making me quite angry. Parents even when separated are supposed to be able to co parent, if one is being a dick my XH is the prime example then that makes it impossible. Not living with your kids and having "set times" when you have them, doesn't mean you abdicate all responsibility for them outwith your times. Unless you are an absolute thundercunt.

LouisevilleLlama · 10/01/2017 18:23

Which is why I said:

as they are split up during the times they're with OP obviously he has some parental responsibility but the majority of the day to day care is meant to be OPs.

SVJAA · 10/01/2017 19:59

It's not "meant to be", it suits him to have it that way. It's "meant to be" both parents who are equally responsible. Attitudes like yours really wind me up. Leaving a relationship doesn't absolve you of parental responsibility, or it shouldn't anyway.

LouisevilleLlama · 10/01/2017 22:17

Except I didn't say that did I? And attitudes like mine? You mean like the threads daily that ask about mingling into details whilst the child is with the other parent and are generally told that it's not their place to interfere, and the other threads where parents are annoyed as the other parent has let them down and can't have the child or "return " them early ( their words) and it's met with disdain that the one who doesn't keep to schedule is a bit of a cunt.

You know nothing about my attitude. All I've said is I wouldn't get hung up on the word babysitting although in the context I thought she meant he was being used as a babysitter, I didn't say he wasnt a parent or parenting his child but it wasn't that she wanted to give the dad more time with the child but wanted to go out and he was the cheapest option. With families where the parents are still together sure the default is the other parent cares for the child but when separated it becomes more complicated. I also said if he found that just always being with his child was babysitting as in not a turn of phrase but an actual chore then that's awful. The rest you and others but mostly you have made assumptions about me

TimidLividyetagain · 11/01/2017 01:18

Well she is unwell. It's not babysitting it's I'm unwell can u look after the child so I have one less to deal with. And the man is an ass to say it's babysitting. And of course u would ask the other parent .They are always a parent .Not all act like it though

SVJAA · 11/01/2017 06:56

as they are split up during the times they're with OP obviously he has some parental responsibility but the majority of the day to day care is meant to be OPs

It's exactly what you said. It's assumed that parents who live together will share care of their children, why shouldn't the same be expected when they don't live together? The fact that terms like babysitting your own kids exist and attitudes that make it acceptable for NRP to decide whether they want to have their kids or not make life harder for RP who do end up shouldering virtually all of the responsibility, while the other parent merrily asserts their rights when it suits them without fulfilling any of their responsibilities.