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So angry at my brother

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mamatiger83 · 01/01/2017 11:45

A bit of backstory to explain, on Christmas Day my dcs each received an iPad and were understandably very excited about it. We had lunch at my dads house with my sister and her family and my brother and his family. My ds is 11 and has just started at secondary school, since then his personality has. changed somewhat but not in any way I did not expect, he is getting the bus independently etc, he's growing up. His attitude at times is less then ideal but I put that down in large part to his age, the onset of puberty etc. He still gets a talking to or a punishment if he does something he knows he shouldn't.
So xmas day he is full of excitement and a little cocky wanting to show off his new iPad which I think is fair enough. He wasn't bring rude just look what I have isn't it awesome, my brother however decided my son was being annoying and took his glasses off him, saying oh well now you can't see it so my son (wrongly) kicked him. I was in the kitchen cooking at this point so my sis in law defused the situation and told my brother off and then sat with my son looking at his iPad.
I was unaware of all of this until last night when it came up. I was automatically wound up as soon as it came out that he had taken my sons glasses, he knows my son has had trouble with bullies at senior school taking his stuff and it's really upsetting for him. I could have just moved on from that though until he said, "well you know your son is a right twat!!"
I'm thinking, my son is an 11 year old child, you are a 30 year old man.
Who treats a child that way? Who would then go and slag off a child to its mother! I'm so angry at him!!

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mamatiger83 · 02/01/2017 18:16

It's a new school and he just hasn't found where he fits in yet, he has a few friends but prefers to spend time on his own, on breaks for example he sits somewhere quiet and listens to music. This clearly makes him a bit of a target, he is small for his age. It's in hand though with the school, he has an older cousin who also attends and the teachers watch out they couldn't be better really.
I'm confident with time and him becoming more comfortable it will change.

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BonnyScotland · 02/01/2017 22:00

so one of his safe places 'grandads house' became another place of angst for him... that's a shame.. he sounds like he has alot going on... I hope the school are not just letting things settle..hoping the bullying will go away so to speak. .. they must ensure his best interests are being served.. particularly being the new boy etc.. I hope he is ok x

MistyMinge · 02/01/2017 22:09

Your brother was the twat here. I'd be really pissed off too. OK your DS shouldn't have kicked him, but he's 11, was but in a challenging situation and trying to stick up for himself and was full of hurt and anger. I think I would have bloody kicked him too.

Other people's children can be annoying at times but to tell you your son is a twat is totally out of order. Your brother sounds immature. I'd be giving him a wide berth until he apologises.

Birthdaypartyangstiness · 03/01/2017 00:06

Yep, your brother acted like a child. It's a rather sad state of affairs if a 30 year old man cant rise above the behaviour of a barely teenage boy. They're all a bit gallus at that age.

And the glasses thing is really intrusive and aggressive. If you rely on them as lookers they just become part of you and it makes you feel horribly vulnerable and defensive to have anyone interfere with that. I'm quite used to having two DSes jump all over me but its when my glasses get pulled or knocked off that i have to do my best not to get disproportionately angry; it's so visceral! I'd be quite forgiving of an 11 year old who lashed out in these circumstances.

mamatiger83 · 03/01/2017 00:28

The school are doing a great job of keeping an eye on the situation and i honestly can't fault them in terms of support that's offered, the priority is that he is happy to go to school which so far he is, he's a strong little cookie and I admire his perseverance (can't say I'm happy about the situation but I don't want to be 'that mother' who is forever at the school embarrassing him!).
I've not spoke to my brother since this happened and don't plan to until he's prepared to listen. I don't think he was trying to be horrible now I've had time to calm down, I think he made a bad judgement and it was a poor attempt at a joke. I've also spoke to ds reiterated that being quick to lash out was not the right reaction however justified he felt.

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bert3400 · 03/01/2017 00:46

You sound like a great mum . Male puberty is so tricky, especially for mums ...we've never felt like they do , trying to relate is impossible.

mamatiger83 · 03/01/2017 00:56

Thanks that's lovely to hear, it is tricky!! Nobody warns you about these things when you have a baby, potty training and weaning were a dream by comparison!!

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AmeliaJack · 03/01/2017 02:05

Well bad behaviour on both sides is clear.

However I hate adults who do this kind of thing to kids. The power balance is so unequal, it isn't just a joke (which is always the excuse) it's bullying.

That aside, what really concerns me about this is that no one told you about the incident. Your DS (who should have come and got you rather than kicking), your DB who should have reported the kick or your SIL who helped but didn't inform you.

I'd be furious with my brother but I'd be speaking to my DS about how this situation should have gone.

You can't change your brothers behaviour but you can work with your son.

YouHadMeAtCake · 03/01/2017 02:27

DS did nothing wrong inmho. OPS brother is a nasty bully and deserved at least a kick.DS felt threatened and powerless in a home where he should feel safe. Picking on and belittling an 11 year old boy, his own nephew. I'm not a violent person and I don't have a brother but god help someone who did that to one of my D.C. Let alone call them a twat to me. DH would hit the roof too. What an utter POS.

mamatiger83 · 03/01/2017 07:39

My sons behaviour is just fine thanks and not the issue, I'm pretty sure there are much worse reactions, and his reaction is no reflection on his general attitude/behaviour

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AmeliaJack · 03/01/2017 12:47

I'm sure your DS is a lovely boy Mama but he can't be kicking someone just because he is upset/angry with them.

What if he kicked another child or a teacher at school?

LastGirlOnTheLeft · 03/01/2017 13:20

I had terrible vision as a young child as if someone took my glasses I felt absolutely terrified!! Exposed, vulnerable, blind - like a rabbit surrounded by wolves I couldn't see. It is the most awful feeling - even now as an adult I won't allow ANYONE to touch my glasses, not even my own kids. Your poor son - no wonder he kicked that absolute idiot!

LastGirlOnTheLeft · 03/01/2017 13:22

When you can't see, you can't defend yourself properly. I totally get why he kicked the idiot.

AmeliaJack · 03/01/2017 13:37

Nope that doesn't cut it. I wore glasses as a child too.

He was in his Grandparents living room with his Uncle not confronting a stranger in the street.

Calling for help would have solved the problem.

mamatiger83 · 03/01/2017 14:03

Amelia why so quick to demonise my son it was clearly an exceptional circumstance. If a stranger on the street did it then it would have been acceptable.

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AmeliaJack · 03/01/2017 14:13

Where was I demonising him mama?

Reread my original post, I simply said that you should "speak to him about how this should have gone".

I didn't say anything horrible about him. I didn't say you should punish him.

I said have a chat.

SandyY2K · 03/01/2017 14:26

You can't change your brothers behaviour but you can work with your son.

Her son wasn't the problem here. It was a grown adult. .. an Uncle who should be loving, instead he decided to be an utter idiot by bullying his 11 year old nephew ... removing his glasses.

Her son had more than enough mitigation to do this and it clearly wasn't a joke or he wouldn't have gone on to tell the OP her son was a twat.

Perhaps because I wear glasses, I know how hurt and humiliating it would be and I'm not 11.

OP - do you have other siblings that could talk to your brother.

AmeliaJack · 03/01/2017 14:36

Sandy I wear glasses too. I did as a child. I've had them taken, I know just how it feels.

Clearly the Uncle is at fault for this situation, I haven't said anywhere that he isn't.

My point is that it's our responsibility to teach our children how to respond to bullies.

Kicking isn't an acceptable response in my opinion- others clearly disagree.

mamatiger83 · 03/01/2017 16:04

I do see your point however how many times do I need to say this behaviour was wrong and I did speak to him about it!
Unless you did not read the whole thread and just replied you would know this

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AmeliaJack · 03/01/2017 16:42

Mama I did read the whole thread.

You misunderstand me. When I said speak to him about how it could have gone differently I don't mean "tell him he was wrong", I mean have a discussion about what he could do differently in a similar situation. Role play some responses. Suggest some strategies.

There's nothing aggressive about that. I said "work with him". I didn't say punish, or yell or blame.

I'll bow out now though.

mamatiger83 · 03/01/2017 16:54

I'm just interested to know what makes you think I did not do that?

As for my son I did tell him violence is not ok,

ive also spoke to ds reiterated that being quick to lash out was not the right reaction however justified he felt.

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