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Mummyto2girliesxx · 10/12/2016 13:28

I'm new here so sorry if this sounds a bit amature.
This is probably going to turn out in a long post so thought I'd warn you first.

Me and Dh have been together 15 years and we have had a massive falling out.
We have 2 dd (dd1-10yo) (dd2-3mo) big gap... needed fertility treatment for dd2.

Basically dh likes a night out and don't know when to come home , when we were younger before kids he'd go missing for a few days , always sorry etc. He calmed down after birth of dd1 but now and again he would do it. Several years and arguments later he's basically a changed man, all for his family. lovely. Financially great. We tried for dd2 for 7 years before resorting to treatment which thankfully worked first time and have been blessed with dd2.
Just before he changed for the better , about 5 years ago , an old flame from school got in touch with me through fb. Compliementing me how well I looked and how am I etc. To be honest I felt quite flattered and had a brief conversation which stayed on facebook , he Then started to get a bit too flirty and asked for my number , to that point I stoped replying and left it at that. I know I shouldn't even engaged in a conversation but dh was playing up and I was feeling pretty low and it was a massive confidence boost. I had no intentions of doing anything. Anyway fast forward to 2 years ago and dh went down my phone while I was asleep and saw these messages (totally innocent) at this point they were like 3 years old as I never deleted them as I thought no more about it. He went absolutely crazy insisting that I must have carried on the conversation and met up with him away from facebook. I insisted I didn't do anything and we had a bad couple of weeks but he finally came round and we got back to a good place and started fertility treatment. Everything was lovely , dd was born in August and we've been on cloud 9. However since she's been born I dunno what's wrong with me but I have felt massively jealous of him and insercure, (this is totally out of character for me) there's no specific reason for this as I'm thinner than I've ever been , everyone keeps telling me I look lovely etc... but I can't control this sudden jealousy.
I don't like it when he goes out and have basically ruined his nights out every time . 2 weeks ago he goes out I wasn't happy but decided to act normal and wish him a good night. He didn't come home until midday the next day. I was livid , again arguments were terrible . As you can imagine this did not help with my insecurities.
He promised never to do it again blah blah.
Last night he rings me to tell me his having a few drinks straight from work I say ok . I call him about 9pm to see where he is and he says small pub near where we live. I find out he's in a fancy nightclub towie style , he'd actually sneaked home to dress up while I was at my mums. He doesn't get why I get so angry , Insists that he's doing nothing wrong 'but why lie'
Any I 'ruined' his night 'again' and he walks in at 12 last night sooooo drunk.
He then brings up the past about those messages with the old flame on facebook and how I am a dirty whoe , slg and every other terrible name under the sun. He thinks that I was shagging this man and was saying some terrible disgusting things to me how I don't deserve to be a mum and a lot worse. I haven't slept all night . Thankfully baby didn't wake up during this and dd1 was at her friends for a sleepover. Today we are sat indifferent rooms haven't spoke and I just don't know what to do......
so sorry for the long post.

OP posts:
Bogeyface · 10/12/2016 13:33

Well, given that he is lying, staying out until well into the next day and being verbally abusive, I would say that you have good reason to be pissed off.

You say that there is no reason for your jealousy but I wonder......sometimes things flag up to us subconsciously, without us realising. If his behaviour has changed, even slightly, then you will feel it and react.

He made it clear last night, with his sneaking around to get changed and outright lying about where he was, that he hasnt got any real intention to stop doing what he wants. He hasnt really changed at all has he?

Mummyto2girliesxx · 10/12/2016 13:36

No he hasn't , there's just longer breaks in between these episodes.
I thought it was my hormones making me jealous but I think you may have a point about it being subcontious

OP posts:
Bogeyface · 10/12/2016 14:01

The thing is, just because he is better than he was before, it doesnt mean that it is ok. He is still shit, he just isnt as shit as he used to be.

How do you feel about staying in this relationship? How do you feel about putting up with this for the rest of your life?

You cant change him, only he can do that. All you can do is change yourself, either by accepting that it will always be like this or getting out and finding someone who treats you properly.

BumDNC · 10/12/2016 14:44

I can see though that frankly despite him doing this pre-kids (which most people did when young and no responsibilities), he did settle down mostly and hasn't been messaging any of his exes that you know of and doesn't sound like he ruins things for you if you go out (do you?) so I don't find it easy to heap all the blame on him. I get your reasons for the slight verge into emotional affair but if this was the shoe on the other foot - you found your DH messaging an ex then he ruined all your nights out people would be saying leave him as it's bordering on abusive. Does it make it ok that he did live a bit of a free life in the past? I'm very conflicted with the advice to give you. I don't think it's ok to blame your insecurities ALL on him, when you have also got into a situation that has broken some trust.
I think you could do with going to relate. There are secrets and disrespeful behaviours from both of you. It's never ok to ruin someone's night out, and it doesn't make it ok but it's likely why he ends up lying to you. Your relationship doesn't sound too fabulous and you need to address all of the bad behaviours from both sides.
It's unreasonable to expect he can't go out, it's unreasonable for him to lie and it's unreasonable to message an ex.

BumDNC · 10/12/2016 14:45

*disrespectful

thestamp · 10/12/2016 14:48

There's no excuse for verbal abuse.

Sorry OP, I think this relationship might need to end.

BumDNC · 10/12/2016 14:51

The way he spoke to OP was totally unacceptable but overall it sounds like a toxic unhealthy relationship without trust

thestamp · 10/12/2016 17:34

It really doesn't matter how they got there. It just sounds like it's over and if the relationship continues it will become worse and worse.

Whether there's a back story or not makes no difference. Blame/responsibility makes no difference.

Banging on about how it's actually sort of the OPS fault that she is in this situation only makes it more likely that she will stay in to "make it right", as countless women do after things slide into actual abuse. If you'd prefer that outcome, by all means continue talking about who's the most to blame.

BumDNC · 10/12/2016 18:57

But the default is to just say he's a wanker. Then out of that comes issues with custody and money etc etc. I've clearly said it's equal in a lot of ways not OP's fault, a combination of both of their flaws and bad behaviour is destructive.

How can you say 'back story doesn't matter' when every single thread on this page and every other forum contains a kind of back story? Of course it's relevant! To give advice (that you have asked for) you need a post with context in it!

BumDNC · 10/12/2016 18:59

He's given her a mouthful which is totally unacceptable and for me would spell the end. But if my partner controlled when I went out of the house ruined my nights and was flirting with an ex I think I would have considered leaving a long time ago.

thestamp · 10/12/2016 20:20

I mean that once abuse has occurred, he back story ("why" the abuse happened) doesn't matter.

Going into the why why why doesn't help anyone once you've reached this stage. There's always a million reasons why anything happens... again... doesn't help to hash out whose fault it was/is...

Note that I never called the DH a wanker... again... no need for any of that. Fact is the OP is now getting verbally abused. Maybe it's because she asked for it... maybe it's because they both contri7bted to the current situ... maybe it's because he's are wanker. .. who knows? She just needs to get out. End of

But please if you'd rather ensure that the OP knows the abuse was understandable because of her behaviour . .. by all means... continue. .. maybe I'm the crazy one and the important part is that she feel guilty for what's happened

HeavenlyEyes · 10/12/2016 20:26

He sounds vile and is abusive towards you to justify his own going out it seems. Why on earth should you be happy that he goes out on all nighters and then is vile to you after. FGS - why put up with this shite from him. He is just awful.

BumDNC · 10/12/2016 20:31

It was not intended to minimise abuse unfortunately you have taken it that way. It has hints of emotional abuse from both parties is what I should have said from the story given. Not that OP deserved it, no one does. i.e he doesn't 'deserve' to be controlled anymore than she 'deserves' to be verbally abused. Not all relationship issues are poor abused woman and big bad man. Sometimes it is on both sides. If you do not see things for how the really are (your reality and your role) you will not be able to move forward. Each party will stay together feeling that they are wronged/victim by one another, or separate not understanding their own behaviour and take that into the next relationship.

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