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DH tells ridiculous white lies

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CookingCabbage · 08/12/2016 17:59

My DH tells lies about ridiculously small things. Should I be worried about this? He tells me what sounds good or what will make me happy/keep the peace. There are no big lies, only little ones. It has affected my trust because I now question and look for evidence of lies. I worry that he is telling me lies a lot, even though there is no evidence of that. I think he gets it off his mother, who does the same, and who recently encouraged our DD to lie (e.g. don't tell your Mum you had those sweets).

BTW I am not a scary person who he can't tell the truth to. I hate lies and he knows lying is always worse than just being honest with me.

This is how ridiculous it is:
One evening when our DS had the sickness bug, he washed his hands after changing a nappy and I noticed he did not use and soap and only swilled his hands quickly. I said: "please can you make sure you are washing your hands properly and with soap as the bug is very contagious"...etc. He replied: "I did use soap".
We then had a massive debate about whether or not he used soap (because I KNEW he didn't). I even smelled his hands, because the soap has a distinctive smell, to prove it. It took him A WHOLE YEAR to admit to me that he did not use the soap that day.

Another time whilst out in town, I saw his car approaching from a direction it would not have come from that day had he been working in the location he told me. So I asked "What time did you get back from x today?". He replied he'd come straight home from that location. I told him I saw him an hour ago driving from the opposite direction. He said he'd taken a wrong turn at an island and had then got a phone call from his manager, so drove to ASDA car park to take the call, where he sat on the car park for an hour. So I checked his phone and he hadn't been talking to his manager, but to a girl in the marketing department. He then admitted he was talking to her and explained what about (work-related).

I believe there is nothing between him and this girl. I believe he told me the easiest story he could think of. But it still involved several lies.

When I first met him we had a conversation where I told him the idea of having debts scared me and I would not want to get serious with someone who had debts. He told me he had no debts, even though he did. He later explained he felt embarrassed about the debt. I know this is a bigger lie. I understood his reasoning and he paid the debt off anyway a year or so later.

Frustrated with this and sometimes I worry whether I actually know this man. There is nothing else about him that I have issues with though. He is lovely, kind and considerate in general.

OP posts:
HoridHenryrules · 09/12/2016 18:18

I don't believe men or women should be questioned like that. Why was you going in that direction for???? or what ever paranoia is in her mind. I have never treated my partner like that he is his own person as am I.

Checking phones and what not. Op you need to be your own person and not live in the shadow of someone else.

SteppingOnToes · 09/12/2016 18:21

OP - I've been there. The little white lies make you feel like you are going mad - it's them gaslighting you so they can get away with the corkers that come later :( I used to have to get 'evidence' as he would flat out deny things. When I caught him cheating on me he still denied it, as each of the 3 pieces of 'evidence' were revealed my me (1 - £52 on flowers, first said for his mum, when I said they had his exes address on he said she was ill, 2- I then brought up about a receipt for stockings also sent, he said it was cause I wouldn't wear them (actually untrue), and then 3 - emails between them about getting a house together and decorating colour schemes. Even with this he just said 'How many times can I say it - I've not cheated on you)

HoridHenryrules · 09/12/2016 18:21

Nag is not female nor male. Its just a word my dad used to nag me a lot.

WhereYouLeftIt · 09/12/2016 18:24

"or what ever paranoia is in her mind"
Way to go Horrid. Blame the OP. As the old joke goes, 'It's not paranoia when they really are out to get you'. And it's not paranoia when they really are lying to you so regularly that you can't be sure of what's true any more.

Just stop and think for a minute - if you were married to someone who lied to you all the time, about things you couldn't imagine there would be any reason to lie about - don't you think you'd eventually just be sitting there waiting for the next lie?

HoridHenryrules · 09/12/2016 18:29

I would be planning my next move because I have kids to think about and their mental health. Which is why I said don't live in your partners shadow do something about it.

Slightlyperturbedowlagain · 09/12/2016 18:29

The constant telling of silly small lies killed my first marriage too. He wasn't 'gaming' the relationship though, he was just an immature twat Grin I still don't understand what he thought he would gain by any of it. Telling the truth would have been just as effective. Bizarrely he was also telling opposite lies to his parents. TBH I could imagine him as the sort of man who ends up with 2 bigamous families, because lying about it is 'easier' than telling the truth...

HoridHenryrules · 09/12/2016 18:31

If its not paranoia then do something about it.

HoridHenryrules · 09/12/2016 18:33

Him not washing his hands and lying about it sounds like a silly thing to be upset over. If he repulses you then do something about it.

WhereYouLeftIt · 09/12/2016 18:35

It's not silly to be upset at being lied to. Constantly, constantly lied to.

HoridHenryrules · 09/12/2016 18:42

If she is not happy in the relationship the best advice to give to her is do something. What if the relationship collapses next year she needs to do something to help herself.

CarolOfTheBells · 09/12/2016 18:44

Horid With respect, I don't think you have any understanding of any of this.

To you, it seems that the OP was being silly about whether or not he had washed his hands. To her, she can't even trust him to tell the truth about whether he has washed his hands or not.

Nothing he says is reliable. It's a very difficult way to live.

JMKid · 09/12/2016 19:37

My ex lied about being married even though he was separated from her and she lived in America. After we split up and we're in court I included a copy of his marriage certificate sent to me by his wife and he still denied it!! Pointless lie when we met, said he never even been married before let alone still being married!!

YetAnotherGuy · 09/12/2016 21:49

It may well be that he is having affair with the woman from Marketing

But I'm sorry OP, the soap episode reflects very badly on you. Why were so keen on proving you were right?

ExpatTrailingSpouse · 09/12/2016 22:08

to me, it's definitely a form of gaslighting. you know, know know know, that you witnessed or heard something very specific, and then the other person turns around and denies it to you and tells you you must have mis-seen (sp?), misheard or misunderstood.

my H did this to me for years and years and years - i used to let it go, as i thought the same as you, little white lies that don't overall hurt or maybe it was to enhance a good story. well, those little white lies led to big fat ones with an OW. i don't allow any kind of little white lie anymore - if he tells one in front of someone else i will pull him up on it immediately.

example of a small one: him trying to tell a story about my dog having lumps (true part) and a) saying the vet said the dog was going to die the vet never said any such thing and then him arguing with me about it when i pulled him up on it when b) he wasn't even at the vet with me!!!

my experience has showed me that the kind of people who think it's okay to tell those sorts of lies constantlyand try and make you doubt yourself are the kind who will justify the bigger lies later on. example: "i only lied to you twice about being with OW when i said i was at work" was justified in his mind, because most of his outings with OW were on work trips, and not during working hours 9-5 at their respective offices (believe me, many more than 2).

just bear that in mind if it does keep happening. we all want to trust the ones we love and give them the benefit of the doubt, sometimes they just don't deserve it.

tallwivglasses · 10/12/2016 00:47

Cabbage I have one thing to say - put some money in your own account. You can still declare it in the future if you want to.

TheSilveryPussycat · 10/12/2016 01:05

Does he ever make promises and not keep them? Like mine used to promise to do housework to keep the peace and shut me up

scrumptiouscrumpets · 10/12/2016 13:47

*Do you question him a lot about things?

Do you nag at him?

Do you treat him like a child?*

What's your point? Even if the answers were yes to all these questions, it wouldn't justify the lying.

CookingCabbage · 14/12/2016 21:27

YetAnotherGuy - I find it an odd suggestion that it was about me having to prove I was right. The subject matter of the lie is irrelevant. I knew he lied about that thing (and who cares what it was). ANOTHER lie and I'm sick of being disrespected and treated like I'm stupid and imagining things. I'm not going to be lied to - I'm not goint to ignore it, so that he thinks it's acceptable. As the conversation went on and he started lying to cover up the fact he'd lied about something so ridiculous ("I touched the plunger lightly so maybe no soap came out"). I wanted to see how far he'd take it, to find out who I'm really with. I learned that he will lie to my face over and over about a really ridiculous thing that there is no reason to lie about, no matter what I say or how much I plead for the truth, that he will lie to cover up lies. It made me feel very sad. It's when I realised he has a problem. Because who does that over f'in soap?

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Kr1stina · 14/12/2016 22:51

It's not about the soap is it? It's about his right to define your reality . If he said something happened, it did. You have no right to your own thoughts, feelings and opinions. He is right and your are wrong. Full stop.

ExpatTrailingSpouse · 14/12/2016 23:00

Cooking - i totally empathize. Same thing happens here... have you had any discussions with your DH about it? Any progress?

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