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He calls her a Psycho, but still indulges in an Emotional Affair with her

46 replies

Jaded85 · 07/12/2016 14:46

I've been married a couple of months, but been with him for 5. When we first got together one of his female friends would randomly start publicly messaging him on Facebook asking him if he wanted to meet etc. I found this quite bizarre, because a text would have been more appropriate. I quickly realised it was for my benefit but it was laughable so I brushed it off. Over time he told me that she was very ill, had been sexually abused as a child, and led a difficult life. He said she was in a wheelchair and was not doing so good. I had a lot of sympathy for her, and encouraged him to see her/ text her whenever I enquired how she was. He always said he'd been busy and would later. I'd tell him what a shit friend he was and we'd moved on. He would always say she's temperamental and falls out with this so he kept things distant and civil. It was always clear to me, in the way she's texted him that she had feelings for him. I asked him if they had history and he said that she had asked him out but he was never interested. Something about her screamed needy and desperate. She never sat easy with me and his responses never did anything to alleviate my suspicions. I knew he wasn't having an affair but I always felt he was hiding something.
When we decided to get married he text her and invited her to the wedding. She responded by saying he was insensitive for inviting her and wanted space from him. A few days later she text him to say she was getting married too. We both laughed and he called her a crazy psycho, who was attention seeking again. He said her illness, abuse stories were all questionable because she liked drama. I told him he shouldn't be entertaining her because she clearly has feelings for him. Her Twitter was full of cryptic unrequited love statuses/quotes. She had asked him to help her out financially but he led her on making her think he would help, but didn't because it 'was too much commitment and not worth the risk'. She got angry and cut off contact. This 'I'm leaving whatsapp, need space for a while' was a constant occurrence. But she'd always be back days, weeks later.
After we got married, she text him asking how old I was etc and if they wanted to meet. Coincidentally he was driving and I was holding his phone. He asked me to check the message and then said he wasn't going to reply. She text him again later at midnight asking if I was asleep. I was seriously annoyed at this point because I just found her wholly inappropriate. He didn't respond because I was around most likely, so surprise surprise - she sent him a 'I'm leaving whatsapp, need space' message. We argued and he promised to block her. He did. I was still uneasy and kept checking his phone, he had unblocked her. I felt like such a possessive wife for doing this, but I couldn't shake off the negativity about her.
It was quiet for the next few months and once or twice I'd asked him if he had heard from her and he said no.
Earlier this week my curiosity got the better of me and I checked his phone to see if she'd been in touch. He's deleted his Facebook icon. I went on his messenger and found that she had messaged him earlier in the day. From the gist of the conversation it had clearly been a while since they had spoken. She began by mocking him for not being 'allowed to have female friends'. He apologised profusely for cutting contact with her, saying that i was territorial and he had to cut of female contact until things had settled. I was livid - this was never about 'women', it was about her only. He tried to talk about other things, but she always brought the conversation back to me, asking how he 'calmed me down' and if he was allowed to hang out. She called me petty and saying he had upset her but she realised he was helpless. Predictably, her Twitter then exploded with 'insecure women' quotes.
I feel so betrayed by him and humiliated that he allowed her to talk about me like that an indulged in it himself. I have never stopped him having female friends or communicating with anyone. He refuses to see that he has done anything wrong. I think that he will just be careful now but still continue his contact with her in secret.

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anxiousnow · 07/12/2016 23:26

OP did you say that when you looked today it was clear that they hadn't spoken for a while? Who initiated contact today?

Jaded85 · 07/12/2016 23:32

I looked a few days ago. She initiated the conversation teasing him about not being allowed to have female friends. He began to apologise for not being in touch and blaming me. It was very clear they hadn't spoken for a few months, as she had Last texted to say she was leaving Whatsapp.

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2rebecca · 07/12/2016 23:47

Why does being pregnant affect whether or not you can leave him?
The relationship isn't going to work if he slags you off to other women and plays games so leaving now before you've started trying to play happy families is as good a time as any.
You can't trust this guy.

Cricrichan · 07/12/2016 23:52

What a bastard! He strings this obsessed woman along (if he had any concerns about her welfare, he'd kindly bring up the fact that he was happily married) and allows her to slag you off.

I wouldn't like the type of person who did this.

HalfShellHero · 07/12/2016 23:53

Id be leaving him and messaging this woman pregnant or not slagging me off would be a total deal breaker..

LovePGtipsMonkey · 08/12/2016 00:23

to me it sounds like he really isn't interested in her, but he's too weak to say 'no' or tell her not to contact him, so he's making up excuses that his wife doesn't allow any female friendships - just to get rid of her indirectly and then she can blame you rather than him.

The fact he doesn't meet up with her and doesn't answer most of her messages is hardly 'interest'. He may mildly like the attention/her obsession but he obviously isn't interested.
Still he is he is weak and that's off-putting!

Isetan · 08/12/2016 06:33

This is who he is and probably has always been, it's just that you've just discovered it. He's effectively been playing you both and it speaks volumes about the time of man he is. You have a H problem who appears to make up shit about you to protect his duplicitous behaviour.

This isn't minor, it demonstrates a significant character flaw and begs the question what other character traits he's been hiding in plain sight. What you do or don't do now could have a huge influence on your future, tread to lightly and he'll feel that the consequences for his behaviour aren't a barrier to him continuing.

If you want to move forward with this man, then you do have to accept that this is who he is and work from there.

AnyFucker · 08/12/2016 06:40

Do you always put up with people taking the utter piss out of you ?

The problem isn't her. It's your dodgy husband.

Jaded85 · 08/12/2016 09:53

It is so so hard to come to any kind of conclusion. There are so many other wonderful things about him, but the lies and secrecy are just becoming too much to deal with. It's more the humiliation of him presenting me as possessive and terrotorial when I'm anything but. He implied I was a typical woman and when I confront him, he says he doesn't tell me things because I react angrily. I try to explain that the anger is about not being told something in honesty rather than the actual issue. It turns out I was wrong about him helping her out financially. He told me he didn't, but he did. He sounded so convincing when he told me that he hadn't.

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Thefitfatty · 08/12/2016 10:05

Op look up gaslighting, because that's what he's doing to you.

Jaded85 · 08/12/2016 11:30

I don't understand why he married me, if she's who really wanted. Surely it would have been easier to just leave me and be with her. We had no financial, practicalities holding us together, so it would not have been messy in the slightest. We were independently living our own lives. I work and thankfully have a very good job, so I don't rely on him. A job which required several degrees and years of hard work but he implies to her that I'm an airhead and have no worldly knowledge.

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Jellybellyqueen · 08/12/2016 11:40

It's not that he married you while still wanting her, why would he do this? You are probably a much more stable, consistent and loving individual. Unfortunately, it's an ego boost for him still having her around and he puts you down in order to keep her interested and sympathetic. I would think he keeps aspects of the relationship secret because he knows it's not what a decent partner would do, but enjoys it too much to stop. It's no reflection at all on you, he's the insensitive one here (and she should also know better than to continue to pursue him).Flowers

Bluntness100 · 08/12/2016 11:52

I think it's a bit much to say she's obsessed and infatuated, I mean really there are two people in the relationship and he's one of them and he's engaging and encouraging her. He's also running you down to her, which to her will tell her he's not that into his marriage.

Bottom line is he keeps lying to you about her. And he keeps lying to her about you. Why don't you suggest the three of you meet up for a drink? See what he says to that and now he reacts? Tell him you'd like to be friends with her too and it would all be much easier for you this way if you socialised occasionally . If he reacts angrily or says no, then you'll pretty much know. If he's up for it, then you get the chance to suss it out better when you meet her.

Happybunny19 · 08/12/2016 11:58

I would be so furious in your shoes, you have my sympathy.

I think if at all possible you should leave and stay somewhere else for a while. This situation is very stressful for you, you're pregnant and he should be protective of you more than ever. His disloyalty must sting.

Have you told him exactly what you've told us here about how this makes you feel and that you've seen the latest communication? If not , you need to.

If you confront him and ensure he knows how much he's damaging your relationship, then stay away for a period surely that is enough of a wake up call for him to decide for himself to cut all ties. If he doesn't I think you seriously need to reconsider your life together.

It's clearly a huge ego boost for him, but that's completely unacceptable now you're married and starting a family. He needs to get his priorities straight in a hurry.

Really sorry you're going through this. Sending you a massive hug Flowers

HardLightHologram · 08/12/2016 12:04

I'd be tempted to get in touch with her. Tell her that he is painting you as something you are not, and heavily imply the things he says about her without going in to too much detail.

Jaded85 · 08/12/2016 12:07

I've told him how he's making me feel and he just doesn't acknowledge the issue. Makes me out to be the paranoid, unhinged one. He turns the tables on me. I have suggested we take a break but he just says that he didn't marry me to take breaks or seperate. But then did he marry me so I could be a token trophy wife, whilst he lives this double life. He's so loving and affectionate in front of an audience. Everyone can clearly see that he adores me, and I've heard him telling his friends positive things about me. But whenever it comes to her, I get lies.

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Jaded85 · 08/12/2016 12:09

I think it's too late to be in touch with her. Because he's painted me as this possessive, terrotorial, neurotic wife, if I do get in touch with her she will just see it as confirmation. Her loyalties are with him, not me. She wants to be with him and is enjoying the fact that he's shitting on me. Hence her labelling me insecure.

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AnyFucker · 08/12/2016 12:54

There are 3 people in your marriage. Princess Diana you are not.

Stop capitulating when he turns it back on you. You are a strong independent woman, right ?

Tell him his behaviour is relationship-ending stuff but of course you have to mean it if you say it

I would never tolerate my H disrespecting me like this. We are a united team or we are kaput.

BoxingHelena · 08/12/2016 13:02

gosh... I worry for OP what he will be like further down her pregnancy or with a small baby tired and hormonal
he sounds so manipulative at a time he should be totally focussing on you/baby

Leanback · 08/12/2016 13:11

He's manipulating both of you op. Calling you crazy etc. is a result of him covering his tracks. He's turning it back on you so you feel you have the issue. Honestly he sounds like boarding on emotionally abusive. Get out now, you don't deserve to be with someone who regularly belittles you and your achievements.

THirdEeye · 08/12/2016 13:32

How very dare he slag you off to her and then play down what he has done. He does not get to decide if you separate or not...he is not your boss. He is playing you and is manipulating you both to get an ego boost.

This would be it for me, regardless of wether l was pregnant or not.

If you stay, you are therefore condoning his behaviour if you leave it sends a clear message that you won't put up with any form of gas lighting/manipulation.

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