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To visit FIL in NY?

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melissacx9 · 07/12/2016 10:44

I don't want to drip feed, but I'll try and keep this as brief as I can...

My partner's dad lives in NY with his wife and 7 year old daughter (I have never met any of them) and has done since my partner was 19 (he's now 25). The last time my partner saw his dad was in 2013, when he paid for my partner and my partner's sister to visit and stay with him for 3 weeks. Since then, my partner has had a child (my SD - she's 2, 3 in Feb) but his father has never met her. We visited Florida for 3 weeks this summer with my family and the three of us were supposed to fly to NY for one of the weekends, but unfortunately my SD caught chicken pox which meant that we couldn't go and see him. This meant that we lost out on the £1000+ that we had paid for flights (my partner's dad hadn't contributed to this) as they were non-refundable.

My partner was devastated as he really misses his dad and wanted him to meet his daughter.

We have discussed the idea of going to NY several times since, but my partner's mother thinks that his dad should come here at least once to see his children and granddaughter before we 'make the effort' to fly over there. I do understand where she is coming from with this - I think it comes across as bitter to my partner, but I can see why she would feel that way considering the fact that his dad never helped her out financially before or after he left the UK, despite the fact that his daughter was 15 when he moved away - but at the same time, I know how happy it would make my partner to be able to go and visit his dad - plus I would love to visit NY!

Now I'm pregnant and due in March, and my partner seems to be more determined than ever to go and visit his dad in NY. He has asked if we could go around September time, when our son will be 6 months old and my SD 3 1/2. We wouldn't necessarily struggle to pay for the flights, but we would want to book them around January time so we can try to get a good deal and also so that we can start planning things/let SD's mother know proper dates etc.

The problem is, I'm not sure whether or not we should go. My mother thinks that it would probably be a struggle with a six month old baby and has mentioned that I won't actually know what he's like until he's here - he could be an 'easy baby', or he could scream through the whole eight hour flight. I think she would prefer if I didn't go, but she is very supportive and also understands how important this would be to my partner.

My MIL is strongly against us visiting my partner's dad. She thinks that if we go, we will have a horrible time and won't be able to cope with a baby and a 3 1/2 year old; she says that it won't be a 'proper holiday', and she thinks that if we do go, then my partner's dad should 'at least' cover the cost of our flights.

I am in two minds about the whole thing. I would love to visit New York. I would love to be able to take my son and my step daughter there, no matter their ages. I would also love to meet my partner's dad and his family, and I would really love to see my partner happy.

But does my MIL have a point - would it be too difficult to take a six month old baby and a 3 1/2 year old to NY, keeping in mind the flight alone is 8 hours? Would it be 'easier' to wait until they are both older?

Yikes... So many questions. Sorry. Any advice on this matter would really be appreciated - I've never had to deal with anything like this before, and I'm not sure where to even start!

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mummytime · 07/12/2016 11:15

Okay! Didn't you have travel insurance?????
Sorry but if you did surely it would have paid out? If not do not ever go to the US again without adequate cover.

As for travelling with a 6 month old and a 3 1/2 year old - it will be tricky but fine. Just make sure you have your own base, and can escape if FIL lives up to MIL's predictions. I've had a great time in NYC with small children.

Yoksha · 07/12/2016 11:21

OP congrats on your pregnancy. Flowers

Look, you're a family unit now, irrespective of everbody else's input. Yes it's fine to take advice, but in the end it's how you both decide what's best.

I've just recently rediscovered spontaneity. Used to have it when family came along. Sort of lost it in the intervening years. Consider risks etc on your own merits. How will you ever grow in confidence as a young family? You'll never know until you "make the move".

In the end you'll both make the right call.

RatherBeRiding · 07/12/2016 11:26

I think your MIL has her own agenda and seems quite bitter about you all having a relationship with FIL, visiting him, having a nice time in NY etc, so I would take her "advice" with a huge pinch of salt.

Personally I wouldn't fancy an 8 hour flight with a baby and a toddler, but obviously it's do-able, as plenty of people do it!

Is there any likelihood of your FIL visiting you? If not and your partner really wants to go and see his dad I think you should just go for it. It will be several years before your children are old enough not to need a lot of attention on that kind of trip, so might as well go now - at least the baby will be totally portable.

melissacx9 · 07/12/2016 11:47

Mummytime, we did have travel insurance, but when we booked the flights they were non-refundable so were told that they wouldn't pay out Sad

Thanks for your input everyone - I think deep down I do really want to go, but MIL is really putting me off and making me feel like we shouldn't go. We had an amazing time in FL with my SD and I would love to be able to take her away again this year with our son - I think it would make such lovely memories. Plus I know how much my partner would really appreciate the experience of his father meeting his children.

Technically speaking, FIL could come and see us over here.... but I don't think that he would, which is a shame. I think my partner would still want us to go to NY even if his dad did come and visit us here, but I think that him coming here even once for a few days would actually make things a lot easier as it would stop MIL reminding us all about how it's not our responsibility to take his grandchildren to him. I guess we can't force him to make the trip, though.

I think I'll go for it and start looking at flights Grin

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melissacx9 · 07/12/2016 11:48

Good point about the baby - I suppose I didn't think about it like that. Maybe it will be easier to go when he's 6 months instead of when he's 3 1/2 and SD is 6!!

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laurenandsophie · 07/12/2016 13:17

Can you book flights for an unborn child?
If you're due in March wouldn't you have to wait until then to organise a passport before being able to book?
FWIW, DH and I took our then-4.5 month old overseas and it was fine. And NYC is a fantastic place to visit. Good luck.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 07/12/2016 13:31

No it would not be too difficult to take a six month old baby and a 3 1/2 year old to NYC. Your man is also travelling with you so you could easily share care on the flight.

I would book the flights when your second child is born.

TheNaze73 · 07/12/2016 16:20

How bitter is the MIL?? Unbelievable. Go and have a fab time

Holz657 · 07/12/2016 16:54

Yeah the MIL sounds bitter. Go and have a blast! Better to see different places than just dream of them. :)

mummytime · 07/12/2016 20:02

I think you were mis - told by the travel insurance or it wasn't a very good policy. Even non-refundable tickets should be refunded by the policy if you are medically unable to use the tickets.
It is easier to travel with younger babies, eg. before they can move, as they are less bothered. Their biggest issue is hurting ears (from the moment the aircraft doors shut), feeding can help (sucking).

YetAnotherGuy · 07/12/2016 20:10

Sounds like your MIL is bitter. And your FIL is a selfish bastard

Do whatever YOU want to do

Allthebestnamesareused · 07/12/2016 20:19

My parents live in the US and I travelled alone without DH when sons were 3 and 6 months. 6 month slept all the way! It shouldn't be a problem at all.

You'll need to wait until baby is born to book I think.

You should have been sble to clsim price of tickets if medically unable to use them or did you chose to just fly back. Might be worth looking into as under contract law claims are usually within 6 years.

Sounds like MIL is bitter and doesn't want your DP and you to have any relationship with FIL.

annielouisa · 07/12/2016 21:45

I am a bit confused surely non refundable is about the airline but separate travel insurance should have paid out because someone was sick so unable to fly?

melissacx9 · 07/12/2016 22:02

I'll have to look further into this travel insurance business - I was simply told that unfortunately, we knew that the flight to and from NY was non-refundable and that was that. At the time I was more worried about SD and making sure that she was OK, so didn't think much more about it/look deeply into it.

I have to admit that I do think MIL doesn't want me to meet FIL and that she also doesn't want him to meet his grandchildren. In her defence, I think she does have some right to feel this way - after all, he hasn't been very supportive since he left and hasn't made much (if any) effort with SD.

Still, despite his faults, my partner loves and misses him (he lived with his dad, not his mum, until his dad left to move to the USA) and I know that this would make him so happy.

As far as I have been told by Virgin Airlines when I enquiried about a quote earlier on, we can book the flights before the baby is born (we would be staying at FIL's so literally just need flights), but that we would then have to book on an infant in arms once he has arrived.

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SuiteHarmony · 08/12/2016 00:09

Your DP hasn't seen his younger (half)sibling since 2013, is that right?

melissacx9 · 08/12/2016 15:09

Yes suite, that's correct.

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Alorsmum · 09/12/2016 03:56

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AmeliaJack · 09/12/2016 05:01

This is not anyone else's decision but yours and your partners.

Stop asking permission from your Mum and MIL. You are about to become a mother yourself, time to put on your big girl pants and make your own decisions.

If you do decide to go speak to FIL about whether they have a travel cot, high chair etc you can use otherwise you'll need to work that out.

feesh · 09/12/2016 05:16

6 months and 3.5 years are actually great ages to travel with! There is a window between about 10 months (active, crawling, restless) and 2.5 years (too young to watch films and concentrate on anything for more than a few minutes) when flying is a nightmare. So if you want to go, just go! Screw what the MiL thinks.

My only caution would be that FiL sounds like more of a taker than a giver and he might not live up to your expectations, so just keep your boundaries safe with him.

SuiteHarmony · 11/12/2016 22:18

I think your DP should be encouraged to develop a relationship with the step-sibling. Could he go with the older child, without you and the baby?

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