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Christmas, Inlaws and constant arguments

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user1480358961 · 30/11/2016 08:34

First chrismats (Boxing Day at my Inlaws) my daughter is 8 months, prior to this they had already built a massive play house In THEIR garden for her, they knew I wanted to get her one, I did get upset and I was told I was stupid, I just think they should have asked one of us? So, at Christmas myself and my husband made it perfectly clear that they are not to go over board and if they want to buy anything big then they are to run it past us, of course it all fell of deaf ears, £100's worth of gifts and in comes the big box with a rocking horse! Not a big deal to some but these people have so much money they will always out do me and my husband! So, the day after my husband approached them about it and it all kicked off, we are unfreatful, they should be able to buy what they want, why can't they buy her 'first' things...and so on! THEN they tell us that by brother in laws gf tells them all the 'nasty things I say'....this girl used to come to my house and moan about them, she would say some terrible things and although I said thing, I made sure I never said anything bad or nasty, safe to say that friendship stopped there.
The following April, I had my daughters christening, this girl comes along but I didn't speak with her, why would I? (She made no effort to talk to me) then 2 weeks later was my daughter 1st bday, she stated sending my husband the most vile and abusive messages because we hadn't thanked her for our daughters bday present...the night before! 'Everyone hates your wife, it's your wife that's the f'ing problem', wonderful! So that's first Xmas and bday done! I've not spoken with this girl since.

So we get to second Christmas (Christmas Day at my Inlaws). Myself and my husband decide to play the bigger person and take the girl a gift. She didn't come around while we were there, thankfully. The brother in law hands us a lot of gifts for our daughter that are clearly not from him but the whole family play along saying how good he is at picking gifts...hmmmm. The whole day revolves around slowly dished out mountains of presents, that's it! We are the kids so we open ours in the day (I'm 32) and the abults do theirs in the evening (yes I'm serious) I can't breathe, we can't go for a walk without being questioned, we can't get 5 mins to ourselves it's horrendous!
A few days later my Inlaws return the gift from the brother in laws gf, how rude?! When they did this I asked why it's ok for them to lie and give my daughter gifts from her while pretending they are from my brother in law, I hoped they would deny it, but they just said 'we thought you wouldn't accept them'..so they had all planned this stupid idea! 1. I'd never be so bloody rude and 2. She returned our gift!!

These people drive me crazy! My father In law is obsessed with my daughter, we have gone beyond doting grandad!! He doesn't talk to anyone when she is around, he literally just follows her, whe she was smaller she used to get so aggravated by him always being in her face and following her, we used to kindly prompt him but he never listened. We got to a point where she used to cry every time she saw him. I don't think it's fair for people to grab an kiss children without their consent, I don't care about age, all kids have a say over their body, he never respected that and always upset her because he was so forceful. Everything I say he mocks, if I say no to chocolate or sweets he mocks me, he questions everything. He can't even look anywhere else when she is around, can't have a conversation and it makes me really uncomfortable, I actually intervene! I don't mind him playing with her, but she is very independent and he will just steam in and interfere with what she is doing. Can't read the signs when she is getting frustrated. He dominates everything!
She is more tolerant of him now but I can honestly say I can't stand her around him, he is the leader of his family, he has everyone dancing like puppets.
They have never babysat, never offered and I'm so greatful of that! But at times I've really struggled with work, thankfully my mum is helpful! I used to ask his mum at the beginning to help so o could go to physio but she was always 'busy'. I used to ask them to visit for dinner as they would complain they didn't see her enough, the one time they did come they actually bought their own over pizzas!!! My mother in law has never visited me and my daughter without my husband, she doesn't work and is only 35 mins away! It's gotten to the point we see them for a couple of hours every 3 weeks or so! If we are busy at the weekend or if we say we don't want to go to their holiday lodge they demand to know exactly what we are doing both days to justify it! My husband works a lot and I usually work a Friday night so we are quite possessive over our weekends! Again, they chose not to see us in the week unless we go to theirs which isn't practical as its 35 min drive and my husband doesn't get home until gone half 5!
I could keep going and going but I'm at the end of my tether!
The arguments it causes with me and my husband is crazy! That's my fault because I can't carry on like this, I can't switch off to it all!
I've tried asking them to ours for Xmas before and they don't even consider it! My parents do if I ask!
I'm so sick of not settling in one place and the fact that I'm so miserable there I asked my husband if we can do Xmas day and Boxing Day just this year with my family, we are both happier there, both comfortable and I'd just like a year without hassle, oh and I'm back to work on a night shift on the 27th! We suggested that we spend Xmas eve with his family....shock horror...firm no!! My mother in law is just to busy with her veg. It's Boxing Day only! So my husband dug his heels in and said we would visit on the 27th then and again it's all kicked off. The emotional blackmail, texts and it's never ending!
If we back down this is literally the next God knows how many years of Christmas set in stone, same routine, a day that solely revolves around a mass of gifts.
I'm sorry for the rant but I really need some advice!

OP posts:
hellsbellsmelons · 30/11/2016 08:49

Well then don't back down.
Just tell them. It's Xmas eve or 27th, which would they prefer.
And stick to your guns.
If you don't see them at all - so what?
Enjoy your Christmas with your family and don't get dragged in to your DH side drama.
You don't see them much anyway.
Your DH needs to google FOG (fear obligation guilt) and learn how to deal with his parents.
If they start sending abusive texts, you send one back saying you are now blocking them as you won't put up with their abuse.
Then block them.

LesisMiserable · 30/11/2016 09:50

That can be the worst bit of being married isn't it, the in laws, opening yourself up to another families ideas and traditions. Its not always easy.

myyoyo · 30/11/2016 09:54

Sounds horrific! I don't think I'd want to see any of them at Christmas.

TheNaze73 · 30/11/2016 13:58

I'm with melons

Offer them the choice but, Don't back down

happypoobum · 30/11/2016 17:28

Do not back down - they sound bloody awful. Just get DH to send back a polite message saying "Sorry you can't see us on Christmas Eve, we will make other plans - see you in the New Year."

Chottie · 30/11/2016 18:06

Your ILs sound horrific!

I agree with not backing down about Christmas visit dates too.

If they take 'offence' and don't what to see you so often, would you really mind? They seem to be the sort of people who suck all the joy out of everything.......

ummizoomi · 30/11/2016 22:25

Do your own xmas it will be nicer

Gazelda · 30/11/2016 22:32

Don't back down. Give them the choice of 24th or 27th. Break the cycle of them dictating your Christmas. If you don't do it now, you will start dreading Christmas earlier and earlier each year.

Creampastry · 01/12/2016 06:12

Do not back down .... stand fast .... it will all be over in 4 weeks!

RatherBeRiding · 01/12/2016 16:07

But if you don't back down - what can they actually DO? You say blackmail and abusive texts - don't open them. Don't respond. Don't pick up phone calls - or if you feel you have to answer calls then politely put the phone down when the ranting starts. "Sorry this isn't up for discussion. Must go now. Bye" . Hang up. Job done.

Yes it will be hard because they are used to getting their own way by sheer force of (unpleasant) personality but you can break the cycle.

And just keep repeating - what can they actually DO?? Come round to your house and force their way in? Come round to your house and kidnap you? No. You don't have to engage.

Keep your nerve and keep repeating the only options you are prepared to go along with - its Christmas Eve or the 27th.

Livelovebehappy · 01/12/2016 22:02

TBH, I can see why they might kick off at you saying you want to spend both Xmas day and Boxing Day with your family. Yes, they might be a bit of a nightmare at times, but they're your DH's parents, and as the saying goes, you can't pick your family. Your poor DH must be stuck in the middle of all this drama being pulled in all directions.

WombOfOnesOwn · 01/12/2016 22:20

Something you probably don't want to hear: Your FIL sounds like a potential sexual abuse risk. Following your daughter around, not listening to any of her boundaries, wanting to give her extreme indulgences, kissing her without permission.

Keep in mind that something like 1 in every 5 children is sexually abused, usually by a close male relative. So the number of sex abusers hiding in plain sight is quite high. All three families I have known with one member who was like this ended up later finding out that the family member in question was molesting children or at the very least viewing images of child sexual abuse.

Livelovebehappy · 01/12/2016 22:40

What an awful thing to say wombofonesown. My late father was equally besotted with my daughter - just a normal doting GF. You really don't need to give OP further ammunition here, and to suggest her Fil might be a paedaphile without even knowing him is so out of order.

WombOfOnesOwn · 01/12/2016 22:55

Did your late father follow your daughter around, never look away from her, and kiss her and grab her frequently without permission, Live?

Chottie · 02/12/2016 07:34

Did your late father follow your daughter around, never look away from her, and kiss her and grab her frequently without permission?

TBH - this made me feel very uncomfortable too. What caring, loving person would force a young child to submit to this?

happychristmasbum · 02/12/2016 08:03

Sadly, the OP did set my spidey senses off with regards to the FIL and his boundary busting behaviour with DD...........

Livelovebehappy · 02/12/2016 08:21

I think you have to think that maybe the OP is laying it on a bit thick and exaggerating bits in her post. There's obviously a lot of anger and resentment there, which can make people go over the top with their descriptions. Most people guilty of sexual abuse in these situations do not act in such a way, as they want to avoid suspicion. One telling point is OP saying they never babysit, which is something a sexual predator will always do to give them chance to be alone with the child. I just think it's such a shame that an elderly grandparent cannot display affection without making people think he's guilty of sexual abuse. Sorry, but to me it sounds like a slightly controlling DIL, criticising her DH family and putting him in an impossible situation. Whether she likes them or not, they are part of the family.

user1480358961 · 11/12/2016 09:57

Wow, I hadn't received notifications of responses!
So here goes;

I don't believe my father in law to be a sexual predator. I believe him to to be an controlling idiot!

unfortunately none of what I've said is an exaggeration...I wish it was! The only ones who are in the impossible position is myself and my husband! We have 2 choices, back down and have the next God know how many Christmas's dictated to us or stand our ground! We've tried asking them to ours before and there is just no give.

no, you can't pick your family, but I also don't believe that your deserving of things just because you are family.

my husband knows that if he really wants to do something with them he just needs to tell me, I'll do it for him.

the FIL is not a doting grandad, he is obsessive and it drives me mad! I will stand in front, my daughter doesn't need grabbing and picking up or have someone laying on the floor in front of her! Leave her alone!!

OP posts:
ChuckGravestones · 11/12/2016 10:07

We have 2 choices, back down and have the next God know how many Christmas's dictated to us or stand our ground!

So stand your ground then. And part of that is to get your FIL to back the fuck off.

Cherrysoup · 11/12/2016 10:22

Have you resolved the whole Christmas thing yet? I hope you're standing very firm and doing what you want. Ignore the texts/emotional blackmail, return gifts you deem inappropriate, you need to really reinforce boundaries for the sake of your own sanity.

happychristmasbum · 11/12/2016 10:23

So what are you actually going to do then OP? Send back a message like the one I suggested?

ImprovisingNow · 11/12/2016 10:29

I agree, stand your ground now and make it clear you and DH set the rules for your family. Spend your Christmas how you want to and don't discuss alternative options.

The more they are drama queens, the more you withdraw. Basically they need training.

My exH family were huge drama queens and after a couple of awful Christmases I said we were having quiet Christmas at home with just us and the DC. It actually made the holidays relaxing instead of stressful.

Have you thought about going abroad on a holiday for Christmas next year instead to help you break the pattern?

I felt pretty uncomfortable about the FIL too. I had a grandfather who was a lot like this when I was young and I always felt unable to complain to my parents. When I was about 11 or 12 and started developing, he was "playing" tickling (which I hated) with me and basically molested me. I got away and refused to ever be alone with him again. Never did tell my parents and they are both dead now. I got a major flashback reading your description though.

At the very least your FIL behaves inappropriately and refuses to respect your DD physical boundaries. She may be young, but that is not acceptable and you need to run interference for her.

averythinline · 11/12/2016 10:40

please stand your ground.....think of the message you are giving your daughter about men being able to touch her when they want....that's horrific
never mind the rest of the crap....

user1480358961 · 11/12/2016 19:47

Both my husband and I agree that we need to stick with our decision, as guilty as we both feel. It's not been mentioned again but I know it's not the end of it has the Inlaws havnt told his grandparents, his nan always has something to say to me when it comes to 'upsetting' the inlaws.

If it's mentioned again I'll give them the opportunity again to come to ours on Boxing Day, but I'll eat my shoe of they actually accepted!
I feel bad for my husband, I really do, but I also can't deal with his family anymore.
As for the FIL and my daughter, she tends not to go near him, she will speak with him, but won't be held, give a kiss or cuddle, but I am absolutely sick of him asking every time or hearing my MIL say 'say goodbye to your grandad and give him a cuddle' why?! Why does 'bye' and 'thank you' have to be accompanied with a kiss or cuddle? I'm not one for physical contact, I feel her pain.
I watch them like a hawk, for example, we met them out once and my MIL was holding her, my FIL invites my daughter to him, she said no, then the moment I turn my back my MIL thrusts my daughter to him, she isn't a doll to be passed about! She just looked awkward, I walked over and my daughter leant towards me, after that i apparently 'don't let' my FIL near my daughter.
She never liked being held as a baby, other than to be BF and didn't like people in her face, she would be crying and I'd need to tell him to back off, be on her sensory mat and his head would be underneath the arch and staring (very close) she'd moan and winge so I'd say 'there's to much going on for her at the moment' hoping he'd get the hint, instead he takes the mat and tots away so hid face was the only thing there. Why do that when a child is settled?
They have always been/looked disappointed with their relationship/time with my daughter because it's not turned out like they expected it would! Weekends away, every Sunday with them, endless gifts, days out! They didn't even change a nappy (she is toilet trained now) and a coue of visits ago my FIL attempted to take her to the toilet when she said she needed a wee and rolled his eyes when I stood up, I wouldn't expect anyone but myself or my husband to take her to the toilet when we are around!! Again I really don't think he is 'that' way inclined, I just think he is desperate to be number one!
I could go on for ages, but I shan't bore you all! Just know that I really appreciate you all for taking the time to respond!
I have been genuine with everything I have said and I can happily point out my own faults.

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user1480358961 · 11/12/2016 19:51

I always intervene when it comes to ANYONE ignoring her personal boundaries. I teach her to say please, thank you etc but I never encourage any of that with a kiss or a cuddle, in my head, that's not right.

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