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Breathless with rage. Need to offload about ex H.

51 replies

Greypaw · 23/11/2016 18:50

I’m sorry, I haven’t been on here much, but I’ve got to offload this one somewhere. I’m so furious I feel I could burst with it.

My ex H, who I split up with three years ago, has sent me a text saying “I’m sorry for whatever I’ve done to upset you”.

I’d been a bit frosty with him, you see. Not rude or unkind, just not chatty when we’d met to pass the children over to each other on contact weekends. I used to chat and maybe even have coffee with him sometimes, pass the time of day. I thought it was the best thing to do, the best thing for the children, and that it would just generally make for a better life.

I don’t think he’s ever stopped being furious at me for asking him to leave, and every so often over the past few years he’d stop being friendly and would throw me some kind of curve-ball – some nasty comment or whatever that would indicate he was still unhappy with me. I would swear to myself I’d be less friendly in future, but I always thawed out. It’s not in my nature to do otherwise.

Three months ago I received the news that my mother was dying. She’d been ill for some time so I always knew it was coming, but it was still devastating and I was told it would happen quite quickly. I arranged to have her care moved to my area and got ready to look after her at my home. I told my ex H, because I thought I’d need him to look after the children more. He hugged me and told me “if there’s anything I can do, just tell me, I’ll do whatever you need”.

Four days later, the day after my mother moved in with me so I could care for her while she died, a letter arrived on my doormat. It was a long letter from my ex, telling me he’d looked up all sorts of information about me online – how much I sold my last house for, how much I bought this current house for, how much my car was worth, what businesses I had shares in – and that he had made the decision to cut the maintenance he paid me for the children because I had too much good stuff in my life.

He had decided how much he wanted to pay for them three years ago, and he has already cut it three times over that period for a variety of reasons, usually because I’ve done some thing he didn’t like. I’ve never fought back. This time, bubbling with rage and grief, worrying how I’d support the children if he kept cutting maintenance, I decided I couldn’t let it go unchallenged and took legal action. Those were precious last weeks with my mother and I knew he had chosen that moment to send me the letter because he thought I’d be too distracted to fight.

I’ve been so appalled at this behavior that I’ve found it hard to speak to him since, except to be civil when we’ve handed over the children. He’s clearly noticed I’m quieter than usual because I’ve had this text, apologizing for “whatever I’ve done to upset you”.

How can someone genuinely apologise if they don’t know what it’s for? And how can I even start explaining why he’s upset me? That one statement has brought up everything that he did to me over the last ten years. Do I say I’m appalled that he used the fact that my mother was dying to reduce the money he’d already promised in a court order to pay for his children? Do I go back further and tell him that it was just the final nail in the coffin, given that he’d reduced our money to such an extent in the past that we were forced to use food banks? Or further back than that, telling him it was because of the time he’d slashed someone’s tyres outside my house because he didn’t like the fact that I was dating someone else after the car crash of our relationship ended? Or even further, referring to the time he’d hit our three year old round the head because he had an accident when he was potty training? For the times he’d called him a “dick” or a “tit” when he hadn’t got something right. Or further back than that, when he destroyed the flowers I’d bought for my mother who was in hospital, or when he gave my books and clothes to charity without my knowledge because he thought I had too much stuff and didn’t keep it tidily enough? Or when he refused to let me have an email account unless he could have all my login details and duplicate accounts on his own computer so he could monitor everything I said to anyone (and when I refused, putting keylogger software on my laptop and doing it without my knowledge). Or when he quite literally “tore me a new one” during a sexual assault while I begged him to stop, then told me it was just a misunderstanding? Or all the times he shoved me so hard I had to grab onto something to stop myself ending up on the floor, and when I complained saying “I didn’t push you, I was just moving you out of the way”. Or the time he shoplifted and hid the stolen goods in my children’s shopping bags which he then got me to carry out of the shop for him.

“I’m sorry for whatever I’ve done to upset you”. Where do I start, and what the hell do I do with this rage?

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SandyY2K · 23/11/2016 20:47

I'm so sorry you had this man in your life. Like others have said ... ignore him. That's the best thing you can do.

Be civil. No need to be friendly. No discussion except child related matters. He really doesn't deserve a response and he's trying to get a reaction out of you.

Lordamighty · 23/11/2016 21:07

OP you need to use the grey rock technique with him, if you google it you will get a full description.

Yourarejokingme · 23/11/2016 23:01

Fuck me he sounds like a sociopath

Have you read love fraud.

I would be civil and that's it with him when he does handovers.

Be warned though he may try to use the kids as pawns in his game as it is a game to him. it always is to sociopaths sadly.

Greypaw · 23/11/2016 23:03

Thanks for all the advice. Yes, grey rock has been pretty much what I've been doing since my mum died. About a year after we split up I began the relationship I'm in now, and my partner and I started a new business together. It's doing well and this is what I think he doesn't like. Financial abuse had occurred in our marriage towards the end, and in a weird attempt to regain control and take some of his power away, I refused to ask for anything from him in the divorce, just maintenance for the children. In the letter he wrote, he was grasping at straws, implying he had a right to claim to some of my current assets, but as he can't do that he was cutting the children's maintenance.

The amount he pays is court ordered; it was exactly the amount he told me he wanted to pay (my solicitor believes it is less than the CSA amount but not by much), written into a consent order and sealed by the court. He has a habit of breaking agreements though, and will do it unless I threaten to have the court order imposed. This is what I did, but I can't afford to keep doing it. At the moment this side of things has gone quiet, though he did threaten to have the whole consent order overturned.

I did not report the assault. I can't explain why. I can only say I was confused because he said he misunderstood, that he thought I'd wanted it and it was a terrible misreading of the situation. I didn't go to the doctor to report the injuries because of this confusion and shame, and so there is no evidence. When I reported him to the police for stalking and harassment, I didn't mention the assault, again because of a sense of shame and confusion. It's my word against his. With my son, I simply heard him crying, and so I went to him to ask him what was going on. He said "daddy hit me" and my ex was saying "I didn't hit him, I just tapped him. Well he wet himself again, I asked him five minutes ago if he wanted to go and he said no". He had a mark on his head from where he'd been hit, but it faded. I thought it probably wasn't illegal, so what could I do? It was all so fucked up at the time, and I was on anti-anxiety meds and anti-depressants because of it. I can't explain why I didn't report all these things, except to say I was ill and exhausted. At that time all I felt I could do was survive. I had good support which is what helped me to leave - Women's aid, a psychologist and my GP.

When I did eventually report his stalking to the police the coercive control law wasn't in place, and they said his behaviour hadn't constituted stalking or harassment because I was married to him. The law isn't retrospective so I can't do anything about it now. I can only keep a log of incidences, but originally the police said that the CPS only prosecute stalking cases if they are extreme (i.e. they said he'd have to be calling me hundreds of times a day, every day). The best I would be able to get is a civil injunction, which my solicitor thinks is unlikely.

So I'll carry on doing the grey rock thing. And I'm grateful I can vent on here.

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PlumsGalore · 23/11/2016 23:20

Wow, no advice just Flowers

nicenewdusters · 23/11/2016 23:32

Grey Rock.

Ice Queen.

Wall of silence.

Give him nothing, not even your hatred. A blank civility at handovers, no chat, nothing. No response to any communication unless it's about the dc.

Think of him as a little voice at the bottom of a deep well. Ignore.

TheABC · 23/11/2016 23:42

Bloody hell, well done on surviving, OP. If it helps, start thinking of his communications in the same way as head lice - disgusting, occasionally unavoidable with school age children and best dealt with as quickly as possible. Don't waste a fraction more of your emotional time and effort on him.

Obsidian77 · 23/11/2016 23:44

It sounds like this is about him feeling he's losing control. His message was so deliberately vague, he's made you relive all the terrible things he put you through and in a way that he can easily pretend was just him trying to be nice.
Ignore him, record any incidents and handle contact through your solicitor. Sorry you are suffering like this.
Keep reaching out to MN for support.
Flowers

Greypaw · 23/11/2016 23:56

Thank you all for being so supportive, it helps enormously.

Yes, he likes to be in control. And I'm about to thrown another enormous spanner in the works because I'm getting married soon (just a no fuss, tiny registry office wedding) but haven't told him yet. I believe this could trigger some difficult behaviour from him. This is all probably for another thread though.

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PickAChew · 24/11/2016 00:04

If he's been stalkerish, do you suspect that he knows you're planning on marrying, hence the attempt to withdraw some of his financial support?

Milklollies · 24/11/2016 00:10

I'm glad you're getting married.... just imagine how angry he will get!!!! Enjoy!

nicenewdusters · 24/11/2016 08:23

but I haven't told him yet

Don't tell him. None of his business, and his only interest will be to spoil things for you. Congratulations by the way Flowers

pallasathena · 24/11/2016 08:41

Congratulations on getting married soon. You deserve every happiness as do your children after such horrible experiences with your ex.

cauliflowercheese14 · 24/11/2016 09:25

What a disgusting specimen he is. I hope you have lots of happiness ahead of you.

I'd second the advice to treat him with as much indifference as you can.

Greypaw · 24/11/2016 09:42

Pickachew he might know about it; if he has access to my Facebook account or anything (he used to steal passwords) then he could have read messages between my partner and me. It's hard to see how he'd be able to access my accounts now though, I've changed my passwords too many times. Because of my mum dying I've kept the wedding very very low key. Not many people know as I don't want a big fuss - I just want to go and do it as a formality and quietly get on with my new life. So it's hard to imagine he knows anything.

That's just it nicenewdusters, I believe he'll do something to sabotage it. That's one motivation for not wanting to tell him. The other is that I don't feel I owe him a thing at this point, and having been stalked by him for so long - living with the entitlement he felt he had to every piece of information about my life or about my thoughts - I just don't want to voluntarily hand him any information about myself.

My dilemma is that he's going to find out anyway after the event, most likely from the children as they'll want to talk about it, and I don't know if that's a good idea. He's going to be angry and upset. Then again, he'll be angry and upset if I tell him beforehand, and his anger will have festered by the time they see him. In any case, I can handle any revenge he has planned (there will be some) but I really don't want the children to take the hit.

Thanks again for the support, everyone.

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hellsbellsmelons · 24/11/2016 10:13

Congratulations OP.
You soooo deserve some happiness after what this vile creature put you through.
It's tough reading so I cannot even slightly imagine living it.
Well done on moving on.
Please do NOT tell him until after the event.
Don't let him ruin it for you or your DC, because you know he will.
So sorry you lost your mum Flowers

nicenewdusters · 24/11/2016 11:08

As regards the knowledge of the wedding. With men like this all you can do is minimise the fall out. Like you say, whenever he finds out he'll behave badly. It will represent all he can't cope with; you moving on, choosing somebody over him, having autonomy, leaving him in the past.

Like you said, you owe him absolutely nothing. I wouldn't even tell him after the event. The normal rules of common decency don't apply to these types.

BantyCustards · 24/11/2016 13:54

You cannot reason with a chronic gaslighter/manipulator/utter bastard.

Silence is the only way to respond. If you give this any attention at all he will lap it up and reflect it back at you with some god-awful rant and you will be left feeling angrier.

cestlavielife · 24/11/2016 14:02

if you remarry does it impact on the maintenance?
find out from your solicitor.

to deal with him just ignore.

think "oh there goes the silly little man again" and pass it to file some place else in your mind.

cestlavielife · 24/11/2016 14:02

also seek some CBT or direct coaching eg divorced and separated therapy groups to deal with him.

RandomMess · 24/11/2016 14:03

Try and detach COMPLETELY, the DC tell him you are getting married, so what? If he does anything to them that is unacceptable you know you will stop contact to protect them.

You are giving him so so so much headspace. I would actually not even read texts/emails from him other than when the DC are with him and he contacts you in an emergency. He's broken court ordered maintenance - perhaps just end it and go through CMS and they can deal with it.

Flowers KOKO - aren't go so glad he's your Ex!!!!

EweAreHere · 24/11/2016 14:28

Congratulations on your impending wedding.

Do not engage. Do not tell him about the wedding. It's none of his business. You don't owe an abusive individual the information.

Be polite but say the minimum that is needed in children handovers. Have the solicitor respond every time he threatens to withhold/doesn't pay the court-ordered child maintenance. You can even have the solicitor mention YOU might ask for more if he wants to go back to court if the CSA amount would be higher. That might shut him down.

Do

AstrantiaMallow · 24/11/2016 14:35

OP
There are similarities with my ex husband (the abuse, stopping child maintenance), though mine hasn't got to the (fake) apology stage yet!
My ex absolutely hates the fact I don't engage. He keeps trying. I accepted to talk to him on the phone a few weeks ago as our kids were due to travel to him and he pretended to want to discuss something important. I got a barrage of abuse and questions about my personal life, with him mentioning he would visit me for sex instead. When I moved house the kids and I were briefly stalked by a weirdo with criminal convictions who when stopped claimed to be sleuthing for my ex.
The bottom line is my ex wants me to engage with him because it gives him something to torture me with. I won't give him that. As far as i'm concerned now he lost the right to know about me and what I do when he abused me. I want nothing to do with him, ever. He treats the children like pawns and doesn't understand the language of common sense anyway.

I would keep everything as is, as much as possible through lawyers and court if you can afford it. I vent to other people, I'd never want to give him the satisfaction to let him know how he makes me feel. I'd also report everything, and keep a record of it too, in case he escalates.

As for your wedding, he has no right to know. If the children mention it to him then so be it. Who cares if it makes him upset? You have so much to deal with already. And if it makes him angry and he does something, then again report everything. I think this is sadly the only language my ex understands (just). I too worry what will happen when my ex realises I've now got a boyfriend. He's now remarried but it doesn't stop him, and I imagine he really won't like it.

Congratulations on your wedding.Flowers

Cary2012 · 24/11/2016 16:56

Indifference is the way forward. Ignore, detach, repeat.

He's trying to bait you, to get a response.

He's the father of your kids and absolutely nothing more. Minimal discussion when required, preferably by email or text about essential kid stuff only. No coffee, no chit chat, nothing else.

Your coolness is annoying him, he's sent the apology to reel you back. Ignore it.

I did this with ex, it helped me to move on, and drove him to distraction, because he wanted to punish me for having the audacity to end our marriage after emotionally abusing me for years. The only way he thought he could hurt me was financially with changes to maintenance, I ignored him and got my shl back on to it. Didn't even stress about it, passed it to her, she got the payments returned to the correct amount. So he gained nothing at all, because the reaction he was desperate to provoke never happened.

Sorry about your mum x

Bogeyface · 24/11/2016 17:01

Re the wedding, I would be inclined to get married and then tell him yourself at a point before he sees the kids, but as long as possible before he is next due to see them so that hopefully they wont get the first burst of his anger.

Absolutely shit that you should have to do that, but sadly necessary.