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Not sure why I keep going back for more rejection :(

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MycatsaPirate · 22/11/2016 15:07

Bear with me, this may be long, a bit all over the place and may not make sense. There will probably be things I've missed which I've meant to put down.

Parents adopted me when I was 6. They already had a dd (who I shall refer to as Abby) of their own who was 4 when I moved in. They adopted me because I was part of the wider family and when my parents died (rather awful circumstances - dad murdered mum and then killed himself) myself and my younger sister (who I shall refer to as Carrie) were taken into care. She was adopted by our dad's sister and i was adopted by her SIL and husband.

I'm 47 now. I have dealt with all the stuff about my natural parents. Carrie and I are close, we have researched endlessly about what happened as no-one would really tell us and have found everything we can.

I was raped about 17 years ago. I was living a long way from my parents at the time and eventually rang to tell them. My mother's response was to suggest that maybe I had 'asked for it'. To say I was devastated was an understatement. In the whole process of claiming criminal injuries I accessed my medical records and found that when I was adopted the Courts and SS had specified that I must receive counselling. I was taken once. Then my mother said that it wasn't needed and never took me back. I was never encouraged to talk about my bio parents but rather to just start calling them mum and dad and the whole 'lets sweep it all under the carpet' mentality which my mother does so well was what happened.

My childhood was ok. In terms of being fed, housed, warm, clothed they met all those things. I was never loved. I didn't get cuddles or I love you's. It was very much like they were going through the motions, especially my mother. My dad was always at work, and he always made time for me to play draughts or teach me stuff but there was this emotional gap.

I ended up leaving home at 17, dossing about in various shared houses and eventually moving 600 miles away and starting over. I was gone for 20 odd years and only came back a handful of times. I made bad relationship choices, most notably the rapist who is the father of my DD1 and DD2's dad who was so violent that I had to get a non mol and flee the area we were living in. I think I know deep down that I have issues and have been seeking the acceptance and love I've never had from anyone, even if they weren't good people.

So coming back to today. I've lived back down near my parents for the last four years. I live with my fiance and we are very happy. My two DD's live with us, one is going off to uni, one is still in school and being assessed for ASD. Life is by no means easy but we are coping fine and I'm the happiest I've been in a very long time.

When I moved back down Abby suggested we all have a girls night out. While we were in the pub she pulled me to one side and told me that I mustn't ask our parents to babysit as they are very busy and that I mustn't expect to see much of them. She basically made it clear that I was stepping on her toes. Abby's son has been going to my parents house every week (once a week) for dinner after school (they used to pick him up from school) and this has continued even now he is in his teens. Which is nice but they have no time for my DD's at all. Christmas, Abby and her son go to my parents house for the day with her partner. My parents have said that there isn't room for us as well. I haven't spent Christmas day with my family in 18 years.

I rang my mother yesterday to ask if they could look after DD2 for a couple of hours on a Saturday in December. She said 'oh we don't have space ... errrrm, no we can't'. I came off the phone in tears. It's just endless rejection. I know my mother and Abby go out for lunches together. I have often invited my parents over for dinner (they say no) and often suggested doing things with my mother (always busy) and I just can't keep doing this.

They are in their 70's now. Dad still fit and active, volunteers etc. Mum is still the 'what will the neighbours think' person she's always been. I got knocked off my motorbike once and and ended up in hospital and all she was concerned about was a) the police coming to the door (what will the neighbours think) and b) that her food shopping hadn't been put away (she rang my bf at the time and got him to go).

I know if I was reading this I'd be saying just tell them all to fuck off. But I can't. I don't have a relationship with Abby at all. I messaged her last week - no response. I am close to Carrie but she lives 3 hours away and has just become a Nanna for the first time, her life is as busy as mine. We meet up when we can.

DP doesn't understand. He thinks everyone is like his family (although his parents are dead now). He doesn't quite get that I have spent my entire life feeling rejected, second best and not really wanted.

I'm not even sure where I'm going here or what I want from posting it but getting it all written down helps to formulate my thoughts.

Thanks for reading if you got to the end of my essay.

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Happybunny19 · 23/11/2016 09:46

Far from being a loser, I'd say after going through all the trauma you've been through you're one of the biggest winners ever. To successfully raise a child without repeating patterns of abuse you experienced makes you extra special.

Others are right about going low contact minimum with the people who brought you up (they're not worthy of the title parents). It protects you from excessive hurt.

Celebrate the close relationship you now enjoy with your lovely sister. You don't need to be physically close, Skype is a wonderful thing. I was separated from my older sister when my parents split they thought we could simply be divided up like other possessions. It meant we were virtual strangers growing up hundreds of miles apart, but we're now really close and appreciate having each other or the more.

I hope you can find a good therapist who makes it easier for you to open up and talk, as I'm sure you need it. Flowers

springydaffs · 23/11/2016 09:49

Therapists are used to people who don't know how to put it all into words, so don't be inhibited by that.

btw i prefer to see it that I'm 'interviewing' therapists when I choose who to hand over the very precious details of my life unlike the NHS where you get what you're given

springydaffs · 23/11/2016 09:50

if you're given a therapist at all, which is unlikely

springydaffs · 23/11/2016 09:51

I'm gushing Blush

Ledkr · 23/11/2016 10:03

God you poor thing.
I work in adoption support so really feel for how you have been treated.
You probably would benefit from some counselling but with an attachment aware therapist.
I have the same problem with my mum. She remarried and had my two sisters when I was in my teens and. Ow we are all adults she MASSIVELY favours them and their kids.
She has their kids all the time, gets two busses to visit them, they all have Xmas together and I never get invited even when I was a lone parent.
She was once coming to help me after a major op but she cancelled as my suster was "tired"
I try to let it go over my head but it breaks my heart.
Well done for making your own happy life though.

diamondofdoom · 23/11/2016 10:36

cats now you've made me cry! You've said exactly how I feel deep down, but never admitted to anyone.

Your DP sounds so lovely, I'm glad you got him to read the thread. Sometimes it's easier to write something down than it is to say it out loud. Have you ever thought of maybe showing a therapist this thread? (Or even your initial post). It may help to get the ball rolling into discussing what you NEED to, rather than day to day kind of thing?

Lottapianos · 23/11/2016 12:23

I totally agree with everything that springydaffs says about therapy. Particularly about being prepared for the long haul - 10 sessions of counselling or CBT won't cut it I'm afraid and could very well make things worse for you. It would be a huge investment in yourself, would take time and money, and a lot of pain, but I can't emphasise the rewards enough. And please don't worry about not knowing what to say or where to start, therapists are well used to that and will be able to guide you slowly

I'm so sorry to hear about your awful experiences in court. It must have truly hideous to see him walk free. I can well imagine that you feel seriously traumatised by the whole experience. Would it help to see psychotherapy as being the equivalent of needing medical support and physiotherapy after experiencing a major physical trauma, like surviving a car crash? You have been through some enormous emotional traumas, and I would gently suggest that no-one would ever expect you to recover from them all by yourself, without professional support

theansweris42 · 23/11/2016 13:04

I think what you've done and the family you've built is amazing.
Just echoing others who've said stop.tryijg with adoptive family/Abby and focus on you and your family.
Also agree CBT won't be enough for you complex past experiences. Which you've got past in many practical ways - you deserve to feel better about yourself.

Featherybum · 23/11/2016 19:58

Your adoptive family sound bloody horrible. It isn't you, it's absolutely them.

I wonder if you would find peace to enjoy your family by stepping well back from the lot of them and concentrating on those who are good to you. I hope younacn get some councilling to work through these awful things as you deserve a fresh start surrounded by love and positivity. Good luck x

MycatsaPirate · 01/12/2016 00:59

Sorry I've been AWOL, been going to hospital appointments, physio and sleeping a lot.

I sent a text to my mum this morning asking if they would be in to drop two presents off. They were already busy but my dad rang back later and asked when I could go over.

Ended up talking to my mum and said I had her secret santa present and present for nephew (as presume nephew and Abby will be there xmas day). So am going over Friday morning after another physio session.

Will see how it goes but am definitely taking the advice to disengage, not expect anything and not to make any suggestions or invitations because the let down is just too much to handle.

We have actually got loads going on in the next few weeks, dp is dressing up as Santa to drive round on the train round the local estate to wave at children for the Lions club on Saturday evening, on sunday we are off to London to see his oldest and then take my oldest to Gatwick because she's going to Florida on Monday morning. Dp also got free tickets to the panto for next Tuesday for us and DD2 so looking forward to that.

I feel pretty flat at the moment. Not sure why. I just feel very left out and pretty depressed. My meds have already been upped once this year and am wary of asking for an increase again. I am hoping to ride it out and once I feel better physically it may help my mood.

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worldsworstchildren · 01/12/2016 02:52

Morning Cats. No real advice but didn't want to read and run.
You sound incredibly brave and have achieved a huge amount in your life despite all the awful experiences that could have dragged you down. I think you need to give yourself credit for that at the very least.
I agree with PPs that withdrawing from your family can only be a positive step for you.
Flowers

Terraviva · 01/12/2016 04:40

Cat Wow - you are amazing. You sound so lovely, smart, wise, and incredibly brave. Do try counselling, and also try going to a library or bookshop and browsing the 'self help' section. You might find something that speaks to you, and because it's private - just you and the book - it might be a gentle way to start exploring how to make sense of your actions (going back for rejection).

You may be a stranger on an Internet forum but I am so proud of you, and really pleased you shared your story.

As others have said, concentrate on your wonderful family - your DP, DDs and sisters. Pull away from Abby & your mum. They don't deserve to have you in their life.

Wishing you so much joy and love and laughter... Terraviva x Flowers

Yoksha · 01/12/2016 18:25

Cats I never say this, but you've come across as amazing. Please stop being so " heavy " on yourself.

I've recently realised something after 30yrs. Won't hijack the thread tho'. Take it from me, bask in the love of those who care & matter. You need to get it into your brain that you need to detach & stop giving them precious head space.

Ledkr I feel your pain. My mum did this to me & my family on numerous occasions. I moved 100's of miles away, detached & left her to it. She stepped up to the plate on one occasion. Better than nowt I suppose.

MycatsaPirate · 05/12/2016 14:59

Hello

I popped over to see my parents on Friday after physio. Stayed for coffee and handed over my nephews present. I asked what they will be doing for Christmas day and mum said 'oh Abby and DP and nephew are coming over ... we don't have much room'. (bear in mind they didn't have 'much room' in their house before moving to the flat either). Then added 'oh it's not the same now nephew is 15, hasn't been for a while'. And I just thought what about DD2? She's only 11, she was only fucking 6 when we moved here and you have never wanted to see her on Christmas day?

sigh

Still, we had a good weekend. Dp dressed up in his Red Suit to go out with a local Lions group round the local estate on a train. Before we left he knocked on our neighbours door and spoke to their five year old son who was in awe!!

Then yesterday we went to London to see dp's oldest and her bf, had a walk round where they live and then took DD1 to Gatwick. She flew out to Florida about 2 hours ago, she's a family helper on a Make a Wish type holiday.

I am struggling today. I am physically not doing great so beating myself up mentally because I've not managed to do much at home. I know I need to stop putting myself down but it's hard when you feel like a failure so often.

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worldsworstchildren · 05/12/2016 20:39

I know it's upsetting but you've seen them now. Handed over Christmas presents and done your 'duty'.
Try and put them out of your mind as best you can and enjoy the build-up to Christmas with your DP and Dd. Flowers

MycatsaPirate · 05/12/2016 23:07

That's the plan. Dp and I dropped DD2 off at her activity tonight and went to the shops to get some bits in and just enjoyed knowing that we have no pressure on us from anyone now. We don't have to worry about me being stressed over seeing them (in particular Abby) so we are just going to enjoy doing our own thing.

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MycatsaPirate · 23/12/2016 10:20

Not posted in a while as I've been avoiding everyone.

But this morning Abby messaged me to say she has bought the parents an ipad for xmas and do we have one to facetime? I said no. She said well what about an iphone so we can facetime on Xmas day? I said we only live two miles away, we could drive down and visit!!! She has just replied to forget it, she only wanted to show them how facetime worked.

Well thanks very fucking much. I messaged her two weeks ago to say her son's xmas present is at our parents. She said she has my girls presents with her. No attempt to arrange to bring them here or for me to pick them up.

I am fuming now. Utterly fuming. It's like a 'look how much I've spent on our parents with a you aren't going to be there at xmas' message all rolled into one.

Even DP is pissed off at that one.

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Cherrysoup · 23/12/2016 11:01

I think from everything you've said, the best thing for you-and you're the one you need to be considering, stop taking Abby and your adoptive parents into account-is to go low contact. You're forever giving and they're forever taking. You care massively, they don't. Brutally, they don't seem as if they're bothered about you or your dds. They sound like frankly nasty people. I can't believe you've offered to host and they've just said no.

Do you think they will ever change? Because to an outsider, they are rejecting you regularly. Don't allow them to control you. Live your life without reference to them, you sound like an amazing, strong person with a wonderful nuclear family. You don't need the selfish contingent in your life.

MycatsaPirate · 23/12/2016 12:33

I am just so fed up with being the daughter that isn't wanted. I'm not even sure why I even try anymore.

My mum texted me last week to ask if my DD was back from America, said yes, she had come home the week before and had a great time. No reply. It's like a token effort at staying in touch.

What makes me sad is that Abby and her family go to my parents and to her partners parents on Christmas day. Then to other extended family of her dp on boxing day. My dp's parents are dead, we have no extended family so our Christmas is really just us four. My girls have never had a Christmas with anyone other than us (or just me in previous years).

I feel sad that they have missed out. It's horrible to know that they aren't as important as my nephew.

And Abby buys our parents and ipad but sent nothing for DD2's birthday this year (again). I'm done. I just can't do this anymore. I am happy with my dp and my girls but wish Abby and my parents would just cut me out completely without the little messages every now and then which seem to just reiterate that they can't be bothered with actually seeing us.

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rollmeover · 23/12/2016 15:02

Gosh, I've just read your whole thread. You sound a strong, clever woman and a survivor.

Seriously fuck them. They aren't good enough for you. You have a family, a lovely DC, a DP and his children, and a sister who cares about you. That is your family.

I know you don't want to talk about the rape (and crikey I can understand why). I don't have much to contribute but I used to work in criminal justice in Scotland and in my experience a Not Proven usually means the jury believes you but just not beyond reasonable doubt. So I'm sure they did believe you. I don't know if that's of any comfort.

MycatsaPirate · 23/12/2016 15:07

roll that actually does give me some comfort. He was found guilty of assault (I still have his teeth marks on my skin even now) but despite having his DNA all over my face and hair, they found him Not Proven. He claimed consent. I can't get my head round that. That I would consent to sex when he had sunk his teeth into my face and beaten me and held a knife to my throat. So thank you for your very kind words. It was hard, I had no support from anyone and had to attend Court alone while he was there with his pregnant girlfriend and his parents and brother. It was extremely intimidating.

I don't feel very strong today. I feel extremely low but plastering a smile on my face and trying not to let everything get me down.

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Fluffycloudland77 · 23/12/2016 15:47

Abby's not a nice person. She's a selfish woman.

I would cut contact now, your adoptive parents are older & will soon require support they never gave you & you'll end up doing it because Abby will be considered too precious to do it.

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