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Narcissism, ASD or just an awkward S*D

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temporaryusernametoday · 20/11/2016 10:43

Firstly a disclaimer, I know it is annoying for people with ASD or with children with ASD to be associated with neagtuve character traits in this way, but I have specific reasons for wondering about this, which hopefully will become clear.
My husband is a very difficult man. We have been married for 10 years and have 3 dds and over this time I have learnt how to handle him to reduce conflict, but I don't think he has really changed.
He is very controlling. He has managed to change this in the way he interacts with me, as if he hadn't, he would have lost me, but it still comes out. Lots of passive aggressive behaviour, if something isn't his idea, he will make sure he stamps something of him on it one way or the other. This is the narcissism suspicion, along with the fact that he seems unable to imagine how his behaviour might impact upon others.
However, he also has an element of oversensitivity which makes me question how much control he has over his behaviour. He is extremely sensitive to sounds, smells and tastes. His job involves working in peoples homes (he is self employed, don't think he could stand working with others), and has actually cancelled lucrative contracts due to the smell of someones home. I know the oversensitivity is genuine as I have seen evidence of his ridiculously acute sense of smell. For example a cat ran into our house from the garden, when DH came back from work, he could smell it (also allergic to cats and dogs). He is not sensitive to fabrics though, which I know many people with ASD are.
The other thing that makes me suggest ASD is that while he is completely insensitive to people feelings (has made people cry and not been able to understand why), he is very strongly affected by seeing people ill, he has been reduced to tears by me being ill (I have a long term illness which is OK for ages and then symptoms return), and will do anything and everything to help. I wonder if this is because it is visible and therefore easier for him to understand?
The intensity of his behaviour waxes and wanes, it's worse in the winter (we seem to be at a peak right now, hence posting this).
While at times he can be lovely, obviously this all has an impact on the family. I have learnt to work around him, and sadly, DDs are learning the same skills. He is a good Dad to them, spends a lot of time with them etc, but I do find it sad that they have learn this so young. His own family seem to do the same. Challenging him when he is being controlling or unreasonable makes things worse, but he will often later acknowledge when he has not been nice, and sometimes apologise. But when he is at a low he can go for long periods without 'coming out of fog'.
I love him, and don't want to leave him. He has a lot of attractive qualities. He is very clean and tidy, both with personal appearance and round the house. He has also supported me a lot to progress in my career despite my illness and I couldn't have done this without him.
But sometimes I find it so tiring and feel really hard done to. It has affected my friendships, we don't really socialise as a family so while I'm in touch with friends we don't share family events and things (he doesn't really have friends and generally doesn't enjoy being around people except us).
I would really like to understand more about where all this comes from. Any ideas?

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temporaryusernametoday · 20/11/2016 13:19

No he doesn't see that his behaviour isn't normal so there is no way we would get a diagnosis. As far as the girls are concerned, I do worry for them but their dad is their dad, it isn't something I can change. I can see a positive side, they learn to be patient and resilient, bout I hope they have enough other experienced to know his behaviour isn't the norm.
You asked what I need from you and i think at the moment just this is great, understanding, advice and some good book suggestions Smile

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fc301 · 20/11/2016 23:26

I wld say if he's 'often acknowledging that's he's not been nice and sometimes apologises' then it's not narcissism.

mummyto2monkeys · 21/11/2016 05:02

www.autism.org.uk/about/family-life/sons-and-daughters.aspx

www.autism.org.uk/about/family-life/partners.aspx

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Thank you for your kind words! Although its me that is truly blessed, as my son is absolutely amazing! I hope that the links above will help! I would look at broaching the subject with your dh. It is illuminating and like you finally have found the last piece of a lifelong puzzle when you realise. I am on the spectrum myself, although have developed so many strategies that most people would laugh if I suggested it. My dh broached the subject with me not long after our D's was diagnosed. I wasn't offended, everything just finally made sense! We have our strengths alongside our weaknesses and knowing that your partner loves and supports you is so important.

mummyto2monkeys · 21/11/2016 05:12

I doubt I would meet the criteria for diagnosis now, but definitely would have as a child. Because we have taken part in a Cygnet group course on Autism together, my dh understands my quirks so much better. The national autistic society tend to hold local courses and workshops, based on different aspects of the autism spectrum. I can definitely recommend you attend some of these.

pklme · 21/11/2016 05:30

I could have written this!
I did talk to DH about it eventually, we had spoken about our DS1 who also has autistic traits so it wouldn't have felt like an accusation to him, IYSWIM. We watched a tv drama about missing people, and the detective was clearly a bit 'unusual' though ASD wasn't mentioned. My DH commented that he really identified with this character, that though clearly the drama and other characters were responding to him in a way that showed his behaviour was considered strange, to DH the characters behave made perfect sense.
He did an online ASD test, as did DS1, DS1 came out as 'highly likely', and DH came out as even more so! That shocked him a bit as he can see it in DS but didn't see it in himself until watching this programme.
He has found it a relief.
What irritates me is that he has still read no articles on ASD, relationships with ASD etc, and it is still entirely down to me to manage our relationship.

temporaryusernametoday · 21/11/2016 06:59

I really want to say a sincere thank you to everyone who has contributed to this thread. I have posted in relationships before, and just got a lot of LTBs! I must have explained it better this time. I was at a real low yesterday, and your understanding has helped, and I have so many resources to explore from all of your suggestions.
I have one last question - how do you deal with other people's perception of your partner with these traits? Especially if undiagnosed. I'm close to my family, and we are all of a similar attitude to life, a sort of get a grip and get on with it mentality, so while my parents are very nice to DH, I can see them internally rolling their eyes! And their have been confrontations (not many thankfully) when they feel he is being deliberately awkward or trying to spoil something (e.g. having to leave a restaurant due to to much noise, when it was a special family event).

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temporaryusernametoday · 21/11/2016 07:00

there not their!

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Thattimeofyearagain · 21/11/2016 07:11

I have a rarity, a diagnosed narc in the family ( Aunt & she disputed the diagnosis voracious Hmm) and your dh sounds nothing like her.
Her main trait is to play people off against each other to get what she wants , the levels of manipulation are staggering and you said your dh isn't manipulative. Also she wouldn't care if you were ill, unless it inconvenienced her or she was able to gain attention by sympathy for " having to watch " you go through it.
My DD has some asd traits, she has been assessed but is not on the diagnosable spectrum ( her traits include any plans changing) we were given some strategies on how to cope with these traits and now understand that anxiety is the driving force behind her behaviour on there occasions.

jeaux90 · 21/11/2016 08:19

Yeah OP doesn't sound like a narc, breath a sigh of relief at that. Lots of other useful posts here but just wanted to say that he doesn't sound at all narc. Xxx

temporaryusernametoday · 21/11/2016 09:09

It is a relief that he doesn't appear to be genuienely narcissistic, although he does act like it sometimes!
Thattime I have often wondered how these people do get diagnosed, as going through the process would entail some self awareness!

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temporaryusernametoday · 21/11/2016 09:15

"Some people say they feel more like their partner's parent than their partner" check!

"You may also be aware that your partner is vulnerable and could be deceived by others outside your home" check!

(from the Autism website, thanks Mummy)

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pklme · 23/11/2016 21:30

So, my DF is having emergency brain surgery, I've come down to stay with mum.

DH is at home struggling to sleep, terrible stomach problems, because I have left in a hurry. He also has a slightly tricky situation at work which he finds extremely stressful and would usually manage better if I were around.

He is trying hard to be supportive, has in no way complained, but simply finds the stress of change and my DFs illness almost unmanageable. He's actually thinking of having a day off work (unheard of!).

Bless. Not a narc, not a controlling abusive man. Just a chap who needs everything done his way Confused

It's a struggle, OP, and sometimes feels unfair, but much easier when you know why.

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