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Should I have made a bigger deal of OH's efforts with DD?

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FannyCabbage · 04/11/2016 21:12

OH is now breadwinner as I have gone freelance after maternity leave. I used to earn a decent wedge but now it's much less until I pick up new clients.

I work from home and fit it around 14 month old and 10 year old. I do all housework, cooking, cleaning, washing, and look after the bloody big dog that he refuses to walk. I generally bring home a little less than I would working full time, after childcare, but I know this will pick up home over time.

OH has only ever had DD2 on his own once when I did a guest lecture 40 minutes away. DD2 was just a year old and there were no issues. However, trying to get him to pull his weight with anything is real hard work.

Tonight I have a deadline and asked him for an hour of his time to look after the baby whilst the biggest went out with his sister. He sat on his phone whilst she chalked up the walls and sofa. I sat at kitchen table trying to work whilst DD2 got fed up of him ignoring her and cried for my attention.

He then said he was done and going upstairs (to the box room, where his computer is, where he spends most of his time gaming).
I said, quite sarcastically, thanks.
He said: I've done my bit.
I said: it's called being a dad, it's not a favour!
He said: fuck off, fannycabbage. Same answer as when you ask me again.
Door slams.

He's a lazy sod, I know, but before he left I actually thought he was making an effort and how I should be glad. And then I sniped at him and now he'll ignore me until tomorrow or I'll have to apologise.

I sound like a pushover, I'm not, but I'm so fed up of rowing over the same stuff, sometimes it's easier just to do it rather than ignite a horrible atmosphere. We've had so many rows over his laziness/time spent on the bloody computer rather than with the family. He says he needs his own space and that he's not a modern man.

Have I been unfair to him making an effort? Should I have made a bigger deal of him helping tonight? Would that encourage him to help more? I feel so crap again. Argh!

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FannyCabbage · 05/11/2016 23:04

I hate him so much.
He came in from work today, made himself food. Ate it. Went to watch the football in his room and then went to bed.
I've cleaned the house, stripped the beds, given a training session from 1-6:30 and sorted our food.
Came up to bed, he's in the unmade bed fast asleep. He's had a shower, left the bathroom a wet, soaking tip, and dumped his clothes on the floor. I woke him so I could make the bed up and he's told me to fuck off again and stormed downstairs to sleep on the sofa. Unfortunately, the clean bedding was down there so I went to get it and he said, why are you following me? Turning the fucking light on, I'll slap the shit out of you.

Anyway, i've got a freshly laundered bed, so that's a win I guess.

Practically, what can I do? He's the type who would take pleasure in being difficult regarding children - this side of him is becoming more and more unpleasant and I've had enough of being spoken to like crap.

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FannyCabbage · 05/11/2016 23:06

No, Kidnapped, not married. He doesn't want to - although when we met he told me that's what he wanted.

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cestlavielife · 05/11/2016 23:12

Just plan your exit
He might bluster that's fine you arrange the every other weekend thing for contact with dc
See if he steps up
Really you are not responsible for his behaviour he is.
Staying for the drama is not worth it

He has threatened to slap the shit out of you
Don't make that a reality

Creatureofthenight · 05/11/2016 23:13

So as well as considering his doing any parenting is a favour to you and doing bugger all round the house, he is now threatening you.
I would start making escape plans OP.
Would your mum be able to help?

angryangryyoungwoman · 05/11/2016 23:15

QTurning the fucking light on, I'll slap the shit out of you.
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angryangryyoungwoman · 05/11/2016 23:17

Sorry, phone buggered up there...
Turning the fucking light on, I'll slap the shit out of you.
This is abusive language. He sounds awful

FannyCabbage · 05/11/2016 23:26

I've looked at some stuff on CAB today. I need to make some calls on Monday I think.
He's been aggressive in the past - he pushed me over when I was pregnant after he smashed my phone on the floor. My little jack Russell went for him.
He's also had his hands around my neck - none of this makes me feel like a decent parent - I feel so ashamed. I'd rather sort everything out before talking to anyone or my mum - I can't cope with the well meaning I told you so or the forceful suggestions - my mum is great but she's very forceful in her ways, if she thinks something should be done a certain way and it's not, she becomes a martyr and it's exhausting. She'd thrive on this and whilst she'd be really helpful, she'd love every minute of it and would dine out on it for years.
I'm going to have to plan everything and start putting money aside. I kept a journal at one point, of everything, how I felt, but i shredded the pages because they were too depressing. Wish I'd kept it.
Not sure where all this has come from, but thank you for your support x

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pseudonymph · 06/11/2016 00:16

Fanny - get out!!!!! What you are saying about his physical violence is extremely concerning - do NOT minimise it - that is DV and it will almost certainly escalate. The stuff you are saying about his bad credit and total lack of parenting input is shit also, of course.

It's also okay not to find your DM great - she may mean well, but it sounds like she is emotionally exhausting and not actually that helpful. Is there anyone else you could talk to in RL? Do not let your fear of your DM's reaction prevent you from leaving as soon as you can.

pseudonymph · 06/11/2016 00:19

He should be ashamed not you! He is abusive, whereas you are kind and loving and sound very resourceful.

HughLauriesStubble · 06/11/2016 00:44

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AcrossthePond55 · 06/11/2016 01:35

If I left, I'd have nothing

My lovely, you have 'nothing' now. You aren't married and you don't own joint property. He treats you worse than I'd treat a mongrel dog. So you can't afford where you are now? Houses are only bricks and sticks. There's somewhere you can afford waiting for you and your children.

You will be so much happier without him, even if you have to go back to employment. And remember that he will have to pay child maintenance.

Make your plan and get the hell out of Dodge.

mummytime · 06/11/2016 03:44

This is very dangerous domestic abuse!
Get out.
Contacting Women's aid will be helpful.
It will certainly be useful to do the Freedom Program afterwards, to get yourself really free. (BTW your Mother doesn't sound the most supportive/best role model.(

LellyMcKelly · 06/11/2016 05:09

Oh honey, you deserve better than this awful man. His behaviour is utterly appalling.

SpaceDinosaur · 06/11/2016 06:18

"Turn the fucking light on I'll slap the shit out of you"

If you hadn't realised from his previous abuse. Red flag. MASSIVE RED FLAG.

Contact citizens advice
Contact women's aid

You are in danger of repeating the DV cycle you disclosed about your mother.
I'm guessing you grew up with her abusive partner in the house for 15 years

You are in very real danger of doing the same to your girls.

But, if you think you're not important then what about your girls? Your 10 yr old will hear and understand everything that's happening. Do you want her to think that the verbal abuse, the physical abuse, the threats of violence are "normal"
Do you want her to expect to do everything for others and receive no help, acknowledgement or thanks?

Context? DH got home off a shift at 4.30 in a foul mood. Utterly furious at the world. Something happened at work.
I had no idea

He came to bed. He has to be up at 9am (don't even ask)
So he's exhausted and angry.
I woke up after he had got into bed
Said his name.
He snapped at me "I'm fucking tired was almost asleep and I've had the worst shift"
Followed almost immediately by "sorry I woke you, you weren't to know"
and "do you want a cuddle?"

We're not perfect. Not in the slightest but we do have respect and love for each other. It's no more than you deserve OP

Smyla · 06/11/2016 06:42

You sound like an incredible woman who has come through some tough times on your own with dignity and have become successful too. From what you've written, your DH is being a selfish a-hole. Marriages are not easy, they take communication, respect and love...doesn't sound as though he's offering you much of that. We get married to have companionship, to share experiences together, however mundane. He's not being a companion, he's bailing on you whenever he wants and that wasn't the deal when he said, "I do." My advice would be to start communicating, tell home what he's doing is unacceptable and give him the opportunity to turn it around and if he can't....then head off and go it alone, sounds as though you pretty much already are on a daily basis.

Smyla · 06/11/2016 06:46

Sorry, I wrote too soon...having just read about his abusive behaviour...Don't ever put up with that. He's had enough second chances already. Get out of it and find your own happiness.

FannyCabbage · 06/11/2016 12:22

Thank you all so much. I've not been able to tell anyone any of this because, well, it's pretty terrifying admitting any of it. Makes it real, iyswim.
I still can't believe how it's gone from the perfect relationship to this. He slept downstairs all night and went to work - not heard anything off him so far.
I need to have a proper plan of action rather than just go through the motions by leaving.
Last time when we had a huge row, I tried to kick him out but he refused. I need to have somewhere to go and know that there's no going back so I can't change my mind. I think if I told anyone irl now, there would be so much pressure and I'd have no control over what happened and I have to do this myself. I think.
God, I'm 30 and I'm going to be starting again with nothing but two children and 2 failed relationships behind me. It can only get better, right?

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FannyCabbage · 06/11/2016 12:30

Smyla - we're not married (fortunately it now seems)

Space - it's only writing it down that it seems real. I've been boxing it away like a fool. When he had his hands around my neck, I was carrying the baby and was trying to get him off so he didn't hurt her. You're right about my girls and him affecting them - I used to resent my mum for being so weak and here I am, doing exactly the same. I hope your DH has a better day today x

Lelly - thank you

Mummy - she's an amazing woman who's put all her past far behind her and is now in a loving and supportive marriage. She just becomes overbearing at times, probably out of frustration, but it's exhausting and makes me feel like a child again, which is not empowering at all.

Across - thank you. Plan is in action. I just have to think logically now and not emotionally - it's not the end and you're right, what've I got now? A crap relationship, no money, no respect, no support. Can't get much worse can it?

Hugh - thank you. I hope you're much happier now

Pseudo - thank you. I'm preparing things. Feel so stupid for putting up with this. Where have my bloody brains gone?

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AcrossthePond55 · 06/11/2016 12:34

As hard as it is (been there, done that) you really need to find someone in RL to confide in. Someone you trust to keep your confidence, move at your own pace, and may be in a position to help you.

My first choice (naturally) would be parents or a sibling. And please don't let a fear of the old 'I told you so' stop you from confiding. I'd rather hear that 100 times than be stuck in a home full of anger and hate.

pseudonymph · 06/11/2016 13:54

You're only 30, and you clearly had a difficult childhood - these things take time to work through.

I hear what you are saying about your DM and your need to plan, but you are in physical danger, as much as if you were standing on the edge of a cliff. There are plenty of posts in relationships from people whose Ps put their hands around their necks one time, and next time tried to strangle them for real.

Could you make a really quick plan? It sounds like you have earning potential and at least some family support, so things could be worse. If you post a thread with a different title you might get more advice about the practicalities of leaving. Or call women's aid.

Naicehamshop · 06/11/2016 15:06

The putting hands round your throat is terrifying - you need to get out.

Is it worth sitting down with your mother and pre-empting her by saying " Please don't say I told you so, but just listen. I really need your help". Would that work?

As you said, she probably just behaves like that out of frustration - she can't bear to see you being treated like this.

FannyCabbage · 06/11/2016 20:06

I've text a friend tonight to tell her about me wanting to leave him. She's very kind and non judgemental and she's practical. Unfortunately, she loves a few hundred miles away, but it's a start. I definitely need some support to make it feel real and so I don't back out. I think the temptation to carry on and not rock the boat is very strong and if I don't do something, as many have pointed out, it could be a really horrible outcome. God knows how I'm going to get through this - I don't drink or smoke and I don't eat chocolate so I am well and truly buggered!
I've looked on the gov.uk website and cab - both of which are not as helpful as I'd like. I can't do anything until I've got everything in order - but I now know that I can't go on like this.
His mum came over this afternoon and whilst we chatted about the girls etc, he sat sullenly on his phone. We haven't actually spoken since he came in from work.I think she knows what a turd he is but I worry that this will make it difficult for us to have a relationship, but I guess you have to break a few eggs before you make an omelette, right?

Oh, god. Someone tell me they've done this and everything worked out like a fairy story, please?

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Naicehamshop · 06/11/2016 21:52

I think you know that you have to do this. You sound brave and strong - keep going and don't let this horrible man ruin everything for you.

Sorry I don't have any practical advice, but I do know that everything will get better for you when you are living your life without him.

user1475501383 · 06/11/2016 22:45

I can't believe he pushed you while you were pregnant. That's just beyond words.

I hope you continue to make plans to get out soon. How far does your mum live, could you go there for a while with the kids?

He doesn't strike me as the type who'd manage (or even try) to use the kids to make you more miserable. If he's only looking after your DD2 once and this was it, wow, he's not really got grounds or skills to enforce anything nearing 50-50. You're in practice a single parent already, and it would be clear if it ever went to Court.

Sorry to hear you're in this situation. Luckily you're only 30 so it's completely feasible that you'll be able to start again with someone who has full respect for you and your kids.

user1475501383 · 06/11/2016 22:46

*sorry if the age thing came across as insensitive. I just mean, I'm older and even I managed to start again even though I didn't think I could.

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