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Very lazy / irresponsible DP - how bad is this, in the grand scheme of things?

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LowLevelMalaise · 17/10/2016 17:27

This might be a long one, so bear with me...

DP and I have been together for about 15 years, and have two young DCs. However, I'm starting to seriously question our future together.

The problem is that he's incredibly lazy and disorganised. This manifests itself in lots of different ways:

  • He stays up into the early hours watching TV / playing video games / or just snoozes on the sofa. He doesn't actually need very much sleep so is able to function fine on about 4 hours, but I do often need to wake him up in the morning, otherwise he'd be late for work.
  • He only does things around the house when asked, and even then I would have to ask multiple times. Most of the time, I either just do it myself or it doesn't get done. I'm keen not to exaggerate so I'd say this is the case about 60-70% of the time. The only exception to this is cooking, which he enjoys doing, so does that willingly.
  • There are low-level things he simply can't see for himself need doing - cleaning of course, it wouldn't enter his mind to pick something up off the floor unless I asked him to, even if it meant stepping over it. I'm also seeing that he has a blind spot with the DC's things too - most mornings there are reading logs to be signed, PE kits to gather, homework to corral etc. But somehow that all falls to me to sort out, even though we have similar responsibilities at work. Through years of nagging asking nicely, our bed now gets made by one of us before we leave the house, and he will occasionally tackle laundry once he's run out of clean pants. But he would never think to change sheets, towels, or do any of the hundreds of little household things that just have to get done (in my opinion).
  • He doesn't do basic admin stuff like renewing insurance, paying bills etc. He either puts it off until the last minute, or neglects to do it at all. This can have quite major ramifications - in the past he has had poor credit due to unpaid bills (our house is in my name). We've been uninsured at key points due to his negligence. And last week, our car was towed away because he hadn't paid the car tax. That cost hundreds of pounds to sort out, which is just such an unnecessary expense.
  • The car itself is a major sore point - we drive a ridiculous 4x4 that he struggles to park on our road, despite me having NOT given him permission to when he asked. There was nothing wrong with our old car and we were meant to be saving up for some renovations. He bought it anyway, which I still think is downright disrespectful. But he likes new shiny toys and just wanted it so badly that he couldn't think straight. He's apologised since but things like that make me feel uncomfortable with him having access to our joint account.
  • He stopped exercising a few years ago - when we met he was very active and played rugby / went to the gym regularly. He now spends most of his time lying on the sofa - he's made a big dent in the cushions in his favourite spot! If I'm honest I find this an incredibly unattractive quality. It's also very frustrating to see him sitting there with not a care in the world when there are dozens of productive things he could be doing instead. I do quite a lot of sport and try to eat fairly healthily and he's the polar opposite. He eats terribly for a few months at a time, then crash diets to lose the weight he's put on, then starts the cycle again. He has a few aches and pains but never gets round to booking an appointment to get them seen to.
  • This isn't a core part of the issue but it's just another thing that seriously irritates me - he has to have a screen / noise on at ALL times. So when he wakes up he puts on an incredibly annoying talk radio station. I've asked if we can have some silence but somehow he 'forgets' most mornings. I follow him around the house turning off appliances. He also eats all meals in front of the television. Which means I sometimes do, which I would prefer not to. But if I didn't we wouldn't see much of each other. Apart from being annoying, it sometimes makes me feel like he doesn't value time / conversation with me.

I'm veering off the subject now, but I think that gives a good sense of what our problems are. I'm starting to think perhaps our lifestyles just aren't compatible, and that I would be happier if we lived apart.

Now for balance, I should list all the great things about him:

  • He's a very good father. He loves his children dearly, and other than a couple of blind spots (not bothering to read with them, not knowing about medical appointments etc), he takes very good care of the DCs and happily spends lots of time with them.

  • He's very good at his job and makes a good living from it.

  • He's my best friend, and has been for the last 15 years. When times are good, we laugh lots together. He's always been very supportive of me doing as much as I've wanted to in my career / hobbies.

But on the other hand, I feel that he takes me for granted, and I live in constant fear that his irresponsibility will land us in serious trouble. Ultimately, I don't feel like I can trust him, and to some extent he's turning me into a person that I don't like - I feel like I'm close to being at the end of my tether.

Am I over-reacting? Is this something that I'll just have to learn to live with? I recognise that things could be far worse, and there are people on here dealing with much more unpleasant circumstances - but it's still something that is making me unhappy and anxious.

It's also not the sort of thing that I can talk to anyone in real life about, so I'm just interested in hearing some other opinions - thank you if you even made it this far! Blush

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Terrifiedandregretful · 17/10/2016 22:21

He sounds awful op. A mum who 'forgot' to read to her dc and take them to medical appointments would never be described as a fantastic mum. He sounds like their big brother not their dad.

Hillfarmer · 17/10/2016 22:43

It all comes under the banner of DIS-respect. Everything he does or doesn't do on the list of your OP denotes a level of disrespect.

The semantics over whether you gave him 'permission' on the car is not relevant. I know what you meant... I'm pretty sure you didn't give him your consent to go and spend thousands of your joint monies on a new 4x4. So it is entirely reasonable to object. You don't sound controlling to me, so witholding 'permission' doesn't sound like a controlling attitude.

So the challenge for you is how you deal with this incremental, ever-building level of disrespect. Well, I think reading him the riot act is a good first step. He has to know that his awful disrespectful behaviour seriously threatens your marriage, that you are questioning everything about your relationship and you're not accepting it.

As per the Incompetent Husbands thread - he is not incompetent and lazy in his day job. No, he manages quite well not to piss people off there! It's just you that are somehow inferior to him. Also, as per the Incompetent thread, someone on there encapsulated that build-up of small disrespectful gestures thus: 'Every cup left by the sofa, every plate left on top of the dishwasher rather than in it, every sock littering in the bathroom says 'Fuck You'.' It's quite a powerful and easily understandable message to see the number of 'Fuck You's you are dealing with from him. He needs to get it.

Good luck OP.

BeMorePanda · 17/10/2016 23:12

Wow he has a charmed life, cheery picking parenting obligations, and he has you to do all the grunt work, cleaning, organising, admin for the whole family. Lucky man.

How do you not despise him for behaving like it is your role in life to pick up after him?

What do you think this is teaching your kids?
If he only needs 4 hours sleep, he could easily do 2-3 hours house/family time a day and still have time for himself.

He sounds like a selfish slob and a screen addict to boot.

Isetan · 18/10/2016 12:18

Stop asking why he acts this way and start asking yourself, why the hell you have put up with it, to the point of enabling him. Everyone has their role to play in dynamics, especially dysfunctional ones.

This is who he is and may well be all he'll ever be but while you pick up his slack and play the martyr (essentially what you've always done), he'll must certainly will continue to do what he's always done.

Stop parenting him.

alphabook · 18/10/2016 12:47

Funny how these men are always very good at their jobs but useless at home. If he really was this lazy and disorganised and couldn't help it surely he wouldn't be able to hold down a job?

LowLevelMalaise · 18/10/2016 12:52

graphista I know what you mean about the radio, but I think I'm at the stage where I see that as yet another sign of his lack of consideration for me. If I've said I would prefer not to listen to it, it would be nice to have the odd morning where he didn't put it on. But he has it his way every single day. I'm not great with noise in general, so I probably have a more severe reaction to this than most people would, I admit.

Thanks lsetan - I do agree with everything that you're all saying, and I've told him very plainly that I won't live like this any more. He also agrees with all of this and knows that he has been over-reliant on me stepping in when he messes up or doesn't do things, or can't find things! That's my other big bugbear - he can't see objects that are right in front of his face, somehow I've acquired a super-power I didn't realise I had!

He doesn't seem to be capable of change though.

Even this morning I had to ask him twice to dispose of his empty shampoo bottles and I got roped into tracking down library books that he said he'd sort out, even though he knew that I had to leave on time for an early meeting. When he has a short-term flurry of activity to appease me, it's always on things that are way down the list of priorities. Oh great, you've re-organised your sock drawer. Well done. Now how about doing something that actually needs to be done right now!?

In people's experience, is there any sort of counselling that might help him with this? I'd be willing to see if talking to a professional might make him change his behaviour. (I'm aware that me looking into this is highly ironic, as he should be doing it himself, but I have little faith that he'll come up with anything).

I don't have a fixed idea of how long I'll wait and see for. I need to see some sign of change soon though, as so far there's been ZERO improvement.

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adora1 · 18/10/2016 12:54

It's al very well to make a joke out of having a useless husband but remember when you get to your geriatric years he will be a zillion times worse and you will be even more resentful having to do everything when you will be wanting to have an easier life, you wont get that with a lazy git.

LowLevelMalaise · 18/10/2016 12:57

I agree adora, I find no humour in this, really...

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WiseUpJanetWeiss · 18/10/2016 13:20

You appear to be married to my ex. The noise, the financial irresponsibility, the unspeakable mess.

When I told him I was leaving he said "But you look after me!".

Well yes, that was kind of the point. DS grew up and left home, but exH remained a teenager.

If he'd been my friend, lover and ally against the world I may have put up with it, but he wasn't those either.

Only you can decide whether the good outweighs the bad, but you are most definitely not being unreasonable.

HuskyLover1 · 18/10/2016 13:26

In my experience, most men will do as little around the house, as they can get away with. I think women are generally more house proud and productive, and I think when we move in with a man, we tend to do the chores from day 1, and a pattern is formed. They don't see what needs doing, because they don't care. Not in a nasty way, it's just not important to them, when the sheets were last changed etc.

I do all the chores in my home, but, if I ask DH to do something, it will be done immediately. I am happy with this, because he works long hours in a stressful, and often life threatening profession, and I work PT from home. The kids have left home, and there is very little housework being only the 2 of us, so it's totally do-able for me to get it done in the day and have dinner ready for when he gets home.

If I worked FT, out of the home, and still had kids at home, he knows full well, that there would be a Rota for the chores.

I would recommend doing a Rota. Put his name next to every task you want him to do and when. Because waiting for him to notice what needs doing, is just not going to work. Flowers

BeMorePanda · 18/10/2016 15:11

But he doesn't want to change LowLevel
He wants you to do it all. He probably believes deep down it's your job to take care of all this stuff.

Sit down with a bottle glass of wine tonight and spend some time reading the Incompetent Husband threads.

He's not unique. Its a "thing"

graphista · 18/10/2016 17:45

Fair enough on the radio, BTW I wasn't having a go at you for feeling that way or becoming a little controlling as its totally a reaction to his unreasonable behaviour.

fc301 · 18/10/2016 19:41

It's not just him that needs counselling - you both do. You are stuck in a very unhealthy dynamic. He pretends to be shit so you'll do it. He has to ask permission to spend money that he has earned. Reading him the riot act is not the right approach - it's just reverting to type.
Presumably he's pretty pissed off too. I know I would be if someone stood over me in the morning repeatedly reminding me to throw empty bottles away!
I'm just saying there needs to be a lot more respect and equality on BOTH sides.

LowLevelMalaise · 18/10/2016 21:19

Fc301, I'm happy to go to counselling as well. He's contacted a few today by email so we'll see what the outcome is. It's definitely an unhealthy pattern that we've both fallen into, I agree.

Just to be clear on the car, he also spent money that I had earned. Also known as theft. I'm fairly sure that I was within my rights to be angry about that one.

He's not upset with me, because he doesn't feel that anything I'm asking for is unreasonable. He says he's disappointed in himself for letting it get to this point.

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expatinscotland · 18/10/2016 21:34

See, I disagree with the whole, you can change him and make sure you never get with a man who has moved from a Mum who did it all to you because I was in my early 30s when I met DH.

I had met tons of men who were that age and had been technically living on their own for years but their lives were a fucking shambles because they just weren't adults. For whatever reason. And so many of them women take on as projects or take them on as they are desperate for what is, in essence, a sperm donor. And I get that, too. About a year after I had DD1 I was desperate for no. 2, and time wasn't on my side.

So what I do know is hammer it home to DD2 to get some kind of skill, whatever it is, but it needs to be a skill, that she loves and keep working. Keep working! So if you go the sperm donor route, you do just that, you don't have to live with him, make rotas or lists, pick up after him, whatever.

My son has HFA and I promise you, he is hell to live with, very, very often. But there's one thing he already knows. That NO ONE is here to skivvy for him. He doesn't pick up after himself, there are consequences, real ones. He doesn't do X, Y doesn't get done. We live with his meltdowns, and right now, they are catastrophic.

This is just disrespect, pure and simple.

You know what? Love is respect.

ANewStartOverseas · 18/10/2016 22:01

I dont think you can make someone change. It has to come from them. Bt some do because, simply, they've ended up in a pattern that isn't healthy but are struggling to come out of it.

Yes it IS an issue with respect. That's how I see it. I'm not accepting to be taken for granted like this.
But it is so normal and usual in our society for things to be that way, that it can easily feel like there is no relationship between respect and picking up after yourself/being an equal partner in the HW and childcare. Both for the man and for the woman for that matter.

OP yes if he is organising counselling, then go for it with him.
At least he is showing he is willing to change, which is the most important thing you need for change to happen.

fc301 · 18/10/2016 23:15

Really glad there is a willingness on both sides to make things better x

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