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Going NC with toxic parents, aftermath. Need Advice/Support

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aubs427 · 07/09/2016 15:25

I am 26 years old and have been living on my own. I recently got married a few weeks ago in Vegas with a very very small group of my friends (Only 10 people),

To start this: I'm chinese-american. I was born and raised in California my whole life. My parents had immigrated from here over 40 years ago and I have an older sister that's almost 11 years older than me. Starting from grade 1, my mom began to physically beat me because I wasn't scoring A's on my tests, It first started as me holding out my hand flat and her hitting it really hard with a ruler or some type of flat wood/plastic object. It was 30-50 times, but it escalated quickly to punching me in the head, kicking me, beating me everywhere on my body with either her bare hands or items she could grab hold of. It escalated because I'd pull my hand away and she was INCREDIBLY angry ALL the time. I've been beaten all over the body with pipes, hangers, belts, the handle of knives, etc. This happened 5 days a week until I was in the 10th grade. Only time I wasn't being physically abused was in the summer. My dad was more verbally and emotionally abusive. He never laid a hand on me, but also had a really ugly temper.

From as long as I can remember, my dad would throw raging outloud tantrum fits when something didn't go his way. Whether he was privately at home or in public, he had these incredibly scary outbursts. Most of which happened while we were on vacation somewhere. One incident I'll never forget is when we took a tour bus to Yosemite and he got mad I had brought my Harry Potter book for the trip. Yelled super loud in front of 30-40 people and then when we got to our stop, he threatened to kill me and physically came at me. 8 people had to hold him back from getting to me.

Also, as far back as I can remember, my parents always blamed me for staying in their marriage. There was once incident where my dad nearly choked out my mom. Him on top of her, with his hands around her throat, and her on the floor. Not sure what would have happened if my sister wasn't there as I'd already experienced being abused myself. They never got divorced and instead blamed me for "having" to stay in the marriage.

My mom got arrested when I was in the 7th grade because I escaped mid beating. I'd ran to a nearby classmate's house and her dad called the police. I was in foster care for nearly 2 weeks and judge ruled in favor of giving my parents a second chance because the lawyer they hired was good and they were sentenced to anger management classes and a full year's supervision of ensuring no other harm would come to me. While the physical beatings did stop, the verbal abuse and emotional abuse did not.

After a year went by, the physical beatings resumed immediately. So, here I am 26 and living on my own. I moved out a little over a year ago, against the wishes of my parents. They'd told my fiance that they'd "washed their hands of me" and that they'd never bother to visit. Furthermore, I was never close with my sister and only spoke to her at the most 3 times a year (birthdays, holidays type thing). My parents have never understood me and have spent their entire lives trying to get me to conform to their idealistic way of living.

A few months ago, I went NC with them. The last time I'd ever spoken to them was on Memorial Day. I'd gone to visit them as I usually did every week or every other week. But, ever since I moved out...over the last year, I tried to maintain a somewhat 'cold' relationship with them, but every visit was drawing my spirit and energy lower and lower each time. I could never talk about what was happening with me because they'd find some way to put it into an negative light, again unless it was something THEY wanted. Even a simple subject as, "I adopted a puppy" immediately is, "Yeah you care more about a dog than me."

I felt like I was walking on eggshells each time and started to develop high anxiety to the point where I was throwing up the day prior to the actual visit. I was incredibly stressed. I started seeing a therapist with my fiance to get advice and further support on what to do with my marriage. I'd wanted to get married, but my parents didn't want me to marry him (due to him not being asian). We'd already been together over 6 years and we were at standstill on how we'd get married. I'd struggled with waiting and hoping that my parents would come around or go against their wishes and marry him via city hall or something. Instead for a whole year, each time I went to visit, they'd spend 98 percent of the time reaming into me about something or turning something positive I was telling them into something negative. They'd also pick on me like calling me fat or "looking like a whale". My mom wanted me to be under 100 pounds (I'm 5/4 and weighed 115-120).

A few months ago, in June, I typed up a letter to my parents outlining all the abuse I'd experience with them, both physical and verbal abuse. I'd basically stated that I was no longer going to continue communication with them unless they could be the supportive, loving parents I deserve. I didn't hear back from them. My sister had reached out but I kept it neutral and told her to stay out of it. She understood.

Furthermore, I had completely turned off my phone that I still had connected to them. I'd gotten a new line with my fiance and new phone, without telling any of my family members. Eventually, a month later, I'd received a facebook message from my cousin and sister (few hours apart) and while my cousin didn't really care or press why I have a new number..my sister was very angry that I had a new number and wouldn't provide it to her. I explained that I couldn't risk my new number being given out to my parents and that they know to e-mail if there was something urgent. I haven't spoken to my sister since then.

Eventually, I'd recently received a letter in my e-mail from my parents (more than likely written by my dad). He basically blamed EVERYTHING on me. He didn't address ANY of the abuse at all and said that they did everything they could to fix me and that I just wouldn't become what they wanted. They spent 2 paragraphs comparing me to my sister and how I "was supposed to go down the same exact path". The entire page and a half letter was basically what they've always said to me my whole life. Making me feel like a burden, black sheep, mistake, and just all-around not wanted person. They said believing in happiness is stupid and that it doesn't exist.

So, here I am...a few months later having made the jump of marriage with my now-husbnd. We had a ceremony in Vegas at a venue and NONE of my family knows. I'm slowly learning to accept that making decisions on my own is a-okay and that I don't need to worry or stress about what my parents would think or what they would say. I'm slowly learning to live without guilt.

Except, both my parents are diabetic. They're in their late 60s and they always pressed to me that "they wouldn't live as long as grandma". My grandma passed away when she was 74. I'm fully aware of the fact that I made this decision and I accept that. But, how does one not have guilt knowing that their parents are not in the best healthy place? They'd also put on me that they expected me to live at home forever so that I could take care of them.

I never responded back to the letter. I have basically just moved on and started planning things for my future. In your opinion, was I right to go NC with them? Would you have done the same? Any further advice? (I am in therapy)

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FlappyFish · 09/09/2016 07:21

Hello Aubs.

I think you're entirely justified in not telling them. Why should you? I hope you keeping working on the fear, obligation and guilt. You don't owe them anything.

Footle · 09/09/2016 07:27

You are totally justified in acting as if they are already dead to you - they did their best to erase you as a person when they had you in their power.
And they failed ! Here you are, living your life. You certainly don't need your sister to carry on the abuse.
Learn from your therapy the lessons you need to ensure you don't carry this terrible stuff into your future life.
Enjoy your husband and friends. If you have children , I hope you'll be able to have fun with them - the fun and love you never had, because your parents' mental health didn't allow it.

PikachuSayBoo · 09/09/2016 07:42

I would have done the same about the wedding without a doubt. Do not feel guilty.

The toxic parent experts in MN talk about how adult children are in a FOG. Fear, obligation, guilt. And that it's these three things which make it so hard to break away. You've taken that really difficult step, it took me twenty years to make it and I wish I had done it sooner.

Lottapianos · 09/09/2016 08:19

Yes I would have done the same Aubs. Like you say, your wedding should be a happy day and it couldn't be with your parents around. If DP and I ever get married,i think we would just go off and do it, and not tell our families

Feel free to cut or reduce contact with your sister too if you feel it would be better for you. You don't owe any of them anything

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 09/09/2016 13:25

Aubs, you did entirely the right thing in leaving your family out of your wedding. You know from years of horrible, agonizing experience that they would have ruined the day.

Of course it's always sad when parents aren't at their child's wedding. But the reason they weren't there is down to them, not you. And it might help to look at it this way: Is any of this your new husband's fault? Because, if it isn't, what would give you the right to wreck his wedding day? Inviting your family has costs for him, not just you. And that applies to your marriage in general.

When we marry, in the UK anyway, we promise to put our partner first. Some people interpret that as meaning sexual faithfulness. But what I understand of its meaning is that, now you're married, your DH comes first over everyone. Your first loyalty is to each other. Family no longer have first claim.

Looking to the future, do you want children, because, if that's the plan, how does the thought of sharing them with your parents, of involving them in your babies' lives, make you feel? If it makes you feel sick you have your answer.

Personally I would go to any lengths to keep parents like that away from any grandchildren.

Your parents drove you to go NC. None of this is your fault.. Square your shoulders, tilt your chin up and never, ever look back. They're history.

ReturnfromtheStars · 09/09/2016 14:02

Hi aubs,

What you went through is horrible. You do not owe your parents anything. They owe you everything. They gave birth to you so should have looked after you. Never for a second think you owe them anything. It was their decision to have you, so they should have provided you with food, material items and most of all unconditional love. They didn't. So they owe you loads, you owe them nothing. Does your husband come from a normal family? Even if not, you can build your own family now.

Jackie0 · 09/09/2016 15:14

You brave strong woman, you are doing everything right .
Never have a doubt in your mind.
The longer you're nc the clearer it becomes

aubs427 · 09/09/2016 16:10

You guys are incredible and the amount of support I have received has left me speechless.

I know I have a long way to go and therapy has significantly helped me move past some of the negative energy I held onto for so long.

I wanted to mention that in the letter that they sent me a month ago, I felt confused because while they never addressed any of the abuse I mentioned and basically laid all the blame on me...at the very end of the letter, they mention that they were never "going to close the door on me" because im their daughter and that they "love me always".

I just felt super angry and confused because a page and a half was basically the same things they always said to me. EX: since i called them out on being negative and being like bullies by calling me names or constantly picking at me about the small weight i gained and other things, their response was: "are we not right to be concerned for your health? We (my parents) are both diabetic."

They would uptalk their negative actions/words by saying "well this is why we did this or that."

Does anyone have any thoughts on the end of the letter at all? What thoughts/emotions does the "we love you and always will because youre our daughter" make you feel?

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PikachuSayBoo · 09/09/2016 16:29

They're trying to make you feel guilty. They're trying to confuse you into thinking did it ever really happen (your childhood) like I remember. By being as nice as pie and reasonable and declaring their love they're trying to make you look like the crazy, unreasonable person. Classic toxic parenting.

Lottapianos · 09/09/2016 16:41

Even the most foul abusive parents talk about 'love'. They just do it to control you and make you feel guilty. What is the point of 'love' when it makes you feel miserable, terrified, alone, confused and gets expressed through verbal abuse and beatings? They have no right to use the word 'love' with you. Stay far away from them OP

AttilaTheMeerkat · 09/09/2016 16:47

aubs

What Pikachu and Lottapianos wrote.

Toxic parents like to attack in order to defend and to have the last word; their letter is pretty much typical a response for such disordered of thinking people.

Again it is not your fault they are like this; their own families of origin did that lot of damage to them.

That letter should be shredded if you have not already done this; do not give it any more power. Do not reply to it under any circumstances.

isitseptemberyet · 09/09/2016 16:53

You were/ are totally right to go NC and not invite them to your wedding. You really should feel no guilt x I'm so sorry you had such,an awful upbringing and i hope you are being cherished and appreciated for being you in your adult life.
www.daughtersofnarcissisticmothers.com/
This website may prove useful to you.
All the very best, stay firm, you do not owe ur family a relationship just because they are aging- they were not there for you when you were at your must vulnerable.
X

whitehandledkitchenknife · 09/09/2016 18:32

What Pikachu, Lotta and Attila say. It's a classic move to deflect away from them addressing anything and projecting back onto you. It means absolutely nothing. They can then feel justified when talking to people and playing the 'hurt, bewildered victims'. Their words are worthless and cheap and designed to snag you in your heart. Letting go of the hope that maybe, just maybe they can change is a hard thing to do aubs247 and that's one of the reasons why getting some good counselling is worth every penny.
I second isits site recommendation. Stay strong.

PikachuSayBoo · 09/09/2016 18:41

My mum tells her friends how hurt she is by my behaviour, how she doesn't understand it, that she loves me and the door is always open. Heck she probably tells herself it and quite possibly even believes it.

In her last letter to me she said I had gone NC with her purely because I was too selfish to bother visiting her and making mountains out of molehills gave me the perfect excuse!

pointythings · 09/09/2016 19:25

I think you should also go NC with your sister. You show enormous insight in all of your posts - your heart says that you owe your family things, but you have the amazing ability to see past that instinctive emotional response to the reality, which is that these people do not deserve you in their lives.

You now need to take the next step and recognise that at some point you may have children - do you want your children to have these awful, cruel people in their lives? Far better to look to the future with your DH, build a new family and think of yourself as a first generation, with a fresh start and a clean slate. If you need counselling to achieve this, then get it.

My mother had an enormously abusive upbringing, which she overcame to give my Dsis and me amazing childhoods. I admire people like you and like her, who have had it tough but are not making the same mistakes their parents made Flowers for you and all the best for a free and happy future.

aubs427 · 09/09/2016 20:53

Wow. I am just amazed at the amount of responses I have received for this. Each and everyone of you have taken time, even if it was for a miniscule amount, to support me through the hardest time of my life and I cannot be more grateful for you guys.

I have had so many concerns since going NC and I wasnt fully prepared to even expect to hear back from them, but when they did, all I did was cry. I cried the hardest I have ever cried. My husband said that he knew I was mourning the loss of something I never had and in a way, I am grieving the losses of things I never got to experience that most people do with normal, loving, supportive parents.

I think I have spent a REALLY long time practically living in a world where I "thought" everything was okay. But, my husband, his family, and my best friends opened my eyes to the reality. I feel maybe a part of me did not want to accept the truth. Now that I have, I refuse to let them continue to cloud that or make me feel like it never happened.

Come to think of it, I remember vividly the night my mom got arrested and I watched her in handcuffs being escorted into the back of a patrol car and my dad standing there angry and all he could muster up to me was "This is all your fault. You did this to your mother." The next day, I am being pulled out of my 7th grade english class by a detective then I am all of a sudden at a strangers house for almost 2 weeks.

This forum has been a godsend and I will look into sites you guys provided me. I am definitely going to continue my therapy. I will also come back and read the responses you guys provided me with.

Again, you all are such an amazing bunch.

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PikachuSayBoo · 09/09/2016 21:05

Good luck Aubs. Focus on yourself and your husband.

CarrieLouise25 · 09/09/2016 21:19

Hey OP, I think those of us that have been through the awful hell that is going NC with narcissistic abusers, we click on these threads to offer support. Because we know just how damaging and soul destroying it is.

Having been through it, I know I would not have coped without my DH (who pointed out many times what they were doing to me) - without his support and telling me repeatedly, it wasn't me or my fault and it was them, I would not have been strong enough to cut contact.

I think there are many people out there who will never understand why you would want to go NC with family. Anyone who hasn't experienced it, will not understand, and you'll be met with 'but, she's your mum, you can forgive her right?' and 'I'm sure they're not that bad' etc etc 'or, I understand, sometimes I row with my parents too'.

I think those of us who see someone else struggling with the early stages of NC, we want to jump in there and give you a virtual hug and say 'Yes! We understand. We know you're right. They are abusive. You don't owe them anything'.

It took me a long time to realise that not all parents love their children, and although it still feels taboo, you can cut ties with your parents if they abuse that trust we implicitly give them as children.

Like everything, it is a process. I still get issues of guilt from time to time, I did grieve for a while (it's pretty soul destroying knowing your own mother doesn't love you), and I still get nightmares.

BUT. I do have a very supportive DH who is always happy to reaffirm me, and put them down.

So in essence, I think that's what we're all trying to do. Offer support, so that you can be strong in your decisions. Your new life starts here. And it will be amazing.... Flowers

aubs427 · 09/09/2016 22:10

This has been the best support and has greatly affected my journey, in the best way possible.

I fully believe (now) that life can only improve from here and I no longer worry about second guessing myself about decisions I make in my life. I actually look forward to planning things with my husband and all the amazing things we are going to experience together, as a family.

I know I may never hear from some of you guys again, but I just want to let you guys know you have really helped me.

I hope all of you find happiness, love, and continue to stay the most compassionate and accepting individuals I've gotten to talk to.

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QuiteLikely5 · 09/09/2016 22:21

Sweetheart these people are only two people out of the whole world.

They do not define you. They cannot control you. Sure it's sad when your biological parents are bastards but it doesn't mean the end of all things great.

Please please do not let your experiences at their hands ruin your life.

Please use the experience to motivate you to live your live to the maximum.

You are worth something. You are an inspiration.

Stay strong Flowers

springydaffs · 09/09/2016 22:39

Well, ime I had a lot of therapy (6 years intensive; ongoing re courses etc) and got my head straight about toxic families

  • to that end, do read Toxic Parents by Susan Forward. I've linked you to the UK site, sorry, not sure how to link to the US site. I also saw this free download of the same book while I was searching - you could maybe check that out?

After years of therapy and decades of getting myself straight, I am now in contact with my very old and very frail parents. I honestly think my parents do love me - in their very disordered way. I also don't think they have any idea how toxic and abusive they were. These days they are such shadows of their former selves and in a way they are afraid of me now - because they know I will set boundaries and am prepared to go to ultimate lengths to protect myself. ie they have a healthy respect for what I am capable of.

I am however NC with my siblings - and I hope that will last for the rest of my life. But who knows? I wouldn't have thought I would be in contact with my parents, even looking after them up to a point. I feel that after years of therapy and work on the damage they and my family have done to me, I can weather them now. They are toothless monsters, literally and figuratively, to me these days.

But I had to get there - and it took a long time; decades. I had to protect myself while I was healing from all the abuse which meant I kept my distance, sometimes NC for long periods. That had to be done because my healing was the absolute priority.

I'm not sure if that is any help to you, op. Perhaps you can see it that, for now, they have to be out of your life so you have the chance to breathe and heal and LIVE. imo they will never understand what they did to you. The chances are the same was done to them, sadly, and they don't know how wrong it is.

A criminal conviction would bring it home to them, however, though I don't know how a case would go so long after the events? Perhaps talk to a lawyer just to see how things stand.

Have you contacted groups who have experienced similar abuse from parents of your ethnicity? I bet there are a lot out there.

Long post - sorry - but you were right not to invite them to your wedding. And you are right to find your life without their unbearable shadow over you, for now (and the forseeable).

ohfourfoxache · 09/09/2016 22:40

Aubs you sound like an absolute sweetheart Thanks

I've not really got any advice, but I've noticed how utterly grateful you are for responses. I wanted to ask you (and you don't have to answer this, you might just want to think about it) - do you not think you're worthy of asking for/receiving support? In the nicest possible way, you really don't have to be so grateful- it's a pretty close and caring (usually!) community here. So I wonder if your gratitude is linked to you never having had support before?

What does your dh think of it all? Does he believe NC is for the best?

Stay strong. The hardest part is over, you've taken that step. You're doing amazingly well, but please remember that it is your right to be happy Thanks

aubs427 · 09/09/2016 23:33

In response to the question about receiving support, I think a lot has to do with the fact that I never talked much about what happened. It wasnt until recently that I started opening up about what happened and it was mainly because my husband was in rage about what happened with me.

He absolutely supports me going NC with them. Even his parents feel that I need to go NC. If he could have met me earlier in my life and "saved" me, he would have.

All in all, I just have always been a person to be thankful for positive actions, such as everyone who has responded to my posts. It just means so much to me because this has always been something I struggled with for my whole life.

I have read Toxic Parents by Susan Forward. Her book was actually the beginning movement towards deciding on writing a letter to my parents. I was actually still maintaining a relationship with my parents at the time I was reading it, but after my visit with them on Memorial Day and seeing just how negatively they were impacting me, even though I wasnt living with them anymore, made me realize that if I chose to go LMC, I would still feel a heavy weight on my shoulders constantly and that maybe the best thing was/is to go NC.

I guess in a way, I saw it as for such an extreme situation, extreme steps had to be taken.

And, regardimg children, I do not have an urge or want to have children right now. I cannot speak for my future self because it could change, but currently I believe I wont be having kids. I do want to adopt dogs and cats because I love animals, but I don't plan to try for kids.

I know that I will never in any lifetime EVER treat my child the way my parents treated me. That is for damn sure. That child will know true unconditional love and I will accept that child for who they are and support them for whatever journey life takes them through.

Maybe that is why I feel so incredibly depressed because I am just the opposite of my Family of Origin.

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aubs427 · 09/09/2016 23:49

I also wanted to add that I definitely feel improvement. I think I am just grieving that I wanted to have the normal loving relationship others may have with their family and I tried REALLY hard to either make it be that way (by living in the lie) or trying to bring happiness to their lives.

Obviously, my efforts were like beating a dead horse after hearing back from them.

In time, I am sure things will be easier, or at least I hope. It is just a really sad situatiom because I never asked for any of this. I never wanted it to be this way. But, I had to do what I had to do.

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GoldFishFingerz · 10/09/2016 00:12

The more distance you have, the stronger you will feel. Keep your distance from your sister too, she's manipulated by them No child deserves to be beaten or locked up. Every child deserves to be loved.
And cherished. They are responsible for their awful actions.