Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Is this odd behaviour?

22 replies

ErnieAndBernie · 31/08/2016 13:45

Been with H for 18 years, have 2 DC aged 4 and 8. We've been having a lot of problems in our relationship mainly in terms of how finances are dealt with. We are married, I work part time from home on a low wage but convenient job, approx 6.5k a year. We have no local family to help. This in turn enables him to work on his career which involves every day being a very long day (12 to 15 hours a day is not unusual) and lots of travel. He earns around 70k a year. He has, as far as I am aware, savings of an uncertain amount and a pension pot for somewhere between 60 and 75k. I have neither and no way to build them up. He pays the bills and pays for day to day bits and pieces. We have a 'nice life' on the outside. He transfers enough to pay for family food and kindergarten fees every month, I have to cover all else from my salary. If I can't afford something I have to ask him for it. He has form for buying large household items like sofas and tables without asking me what I think about it. I've brought this up time and time again and nothing ever changes. To the point where we are now having counselling and are on the verge of separating. This morning in our session we were talking about finances and how and why it is like it is. He got massively defensive, way more than I ever expected. He really really does not want to share. Our homework this week is to sit down for no longer than 20 minutes and discuss and list what we each have. He has agreed to do this but the resistance in his body language was very noticeable. He says its because he's scared to lose control of it but other than fearing 'it will then be gone' he's not able to give any other good reason. I'm beginning to feel that after such a long time I really don't know him at all. He has never been an emotional person, but today was the first time I've seen him tense up quite like that. I don't know what to think.

OP posts:
user1472636564 · 31/08/2016 13:58

He might be embarrassed if he's messed up his own finances?

HuskyLover1 · 31/08/2016 14:01

You should be sharing your money. The only reason you can't earn the same as him, is because you are at home caring for HIS children!

When you split (if), get a proper separation agreement drawn up by a Sol. You are entitled to half his Pension (in cash) and you can get more cash for "Economic Recompense", because your career took a back seat for kids, and his didn't.

Unfortunately, he will most likely try to screw you for every penny. Don't allow it. Lawyer up.

TheNaze73 · 31/08/2016 14:08

Why has it taken you so long to wake up to this OP? Was this not discussed before you married?
I'd discuss with a lawyer, as his behaviour sounds financially abusive & he sounds very controlling

PenelopePitstop24 · 31/08/2016 14:16

This sounds like a control issue. Not acceptable behavior whatsoever.
Has he always been this way? From day 1?

ErnieAndBernie · 31/08/2016 14:22

Before the kids were born I was on a decent salary (about 30k 9 years ago) so we just split bills etc and had our own money. Since the kids were born, it has been brought up numerous times by me, resulting now in counselling as it was the last straw. Each time he would say yes we'll sort it then make excuses for not actually doing it. And time goes on and on. And now i'm here and suddenly I'm realising how not-normal our relationship has turned out to be.

OP posts:
Mybeardeddragonjustdied2016 · 31/08/2016 14:23

Simple really
He doesn't want you to know what you would be entitled to if you split up.

springydaffs · 31/08/2016 14:33

These things evolve, Naze. I don't think people have any idea this sort of thing could come about and probably didn't know such a thing as discussing this issue 18 years ago. I don't think it helps to berate the op that she 'should' have had this sorted at the outset.

Have a look at financial abuse, op. He may not be a bona fide controller as he is eg prepared to go to counselling. But he's certainly in the ballpark.

TheNaze73 · 31/08/2016 14:38

Hi springy and indeed OP. Not intending in any way to berate. Think I was just staggered by the DH. Stand corrected if it came across like that

springydaffs · 31/08/2016 14:39

Google financial abuse/economic abuse

ImperialBlether · 31/08/2016 14:42

You need to get out. The older you get, the more important it is to have the money side of things clear and sorted - he will keep you in poverty and you won't have a clue what he's got.

If you Google "Entitled to Calculator" you can enter all your details and see what tax credits etc you'd be entitled to. Then look up child support and see what he'd have to pay you. (Bear in mind you might only know an out of date salary for him.) Note, your child support from him will not affect your tax credits.

ErnieAndBernie · 31/08/2016 14:43

Thanks springdaffs I will take a look.

OP posts:
Runoutoftime16 · 31/08/2016 14:46

I'm playing devils advocate here (I have sympathy for the situation). But if this was the other way round surely everyone would be saying if the kids are school age he should be working full time and so on? Am I wrong? Please explain if I am?

Whatabloodyidiot1 · 31/08/2016 14:50

He can be as secretive as he likes, he can keep 'his' money if that's what he wants to do, but the fact of the matter is, it all comes under the umbrella of 'marital assets' so if you were to split you'd get half of it anyway (as a starting point) you could remind of this if he carries on being an arsehole.....

Whatabloodyidiot1 · 31/08/2016 14:51

Re reading, it sounds like he values his money and his control over it more than the marriage.

ErnieAndBernie · 31/08/2016 14:52

Run one child is in kg the other at school. I do work but freelance from home as I can do these hours whilst kids at daycare. I don't live in UK and daycare here finishes by 4.30 latest and there is not much in the way of summer camps. Husband is usually working late or away and usually won't book holiday for himself unless we are going away so I have to be available for all drop offs and pick ups and school holidays. DC1 finished school at the end of june for the summer, dc2 doesn't go back till this week. I don't know any other job that would let me take 2 months of each summer then half terms and christmas etc. All our families are back in the UK hence no family help. Unfortunately my boss cannot afford to up my hours at the moment hence the low salary.

OP posts:
Naicehamshop · 31/08/2016 14:57

I have a friend whose DH sounds very similar to yours, but who has been married for over 30 years. I think she has let it go on for so long because at first she was earning reasonable money of her own, but now as she gets older she really needs to know what their financial situation is. When she tries to ask him about it he gets really angry (I have witnessed a bit of this).
This becomes frightening as you get older. Please don't let your situation get as bad. Sad

Runoutoftime16 · 31/08/2016 14:57

I have juggled it with part-time nannies for the days/times they are off but where you are it might be more difficult I don't know?

ErnieAndBernie · 31/08/2016 15:36

run even if I could work more do you not think h's behaviour odd? I believe in sharing with a partner as you should both be equal but this is so off kilter?

OP posts:
Whatabloodyidiot1 · 31/08/2016 15:50

For perspective ernie, I don't work, have 2 children the same age as yours, gave up my career to be at home with them.
My husband earns a 6 figure salary and we have completely transparent finances, everything is joint, everything is shared, there is no 'my money, your money'
My contribution to our family is equal to his even though there is no financial reward for my input. I would never dream of 'asking' my DH for money, it's humiliating, you should feel valued and appreciated for your work at home, after all it's that that's helped him squirrel away all his money and create himself a nice little best egg.

ErnieAndBernie · 31/08/2016 15:53

If I emailed a cover note to a solicitor do you think they could offer some advice? Or maybe a free half hour by phone or skype?

OP posts:
overthehillandroundthemountain · 31/08/2016 16:11

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

overthehillandroundthemountain · 31/08/2016 16:15

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

New posts on this thread. Refresh page