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Waking up to the realisation - this is emotional abuse...I think

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wannabfree · 23/08/2016 13:18

I have spent the last few days reading and reading so many of the posts here, I can't stop reading because it's the only place I have in the world where I feel like I'm not alone. OK, going to try to be as concise and clear as possible but how do you put 17 years into one post.

H and I met 17 years ago when we were in our mid 20's. He was my first serious relationship and it was a whirlwind. He was so intense and showered me with attention and affection and adoration. Within a few weeks he started talking about marriage and he kept asking until I said yes about 3 months in. We were married a year later. I was a virgin when I met him - I grew up in a born again christian home and took it all very seriously back then, so I don't really have anyone to compare with relationship wise. He knew I was committed to not having sex until I was married and said he respected that about me, but the actual pressure to have sex started on the second date. I would tell him no all the time, that I didn't want to, but he would keep pushing it and I was such a people pleaser and so naive that I would give in and do more than I wanted and then tell him again that I wasn't happy about it and the cycle would begin again. Even to the point that he practically moved into my house - my roommates weren't impressed and he persuaded me to move in together. Anyway, I never felt like things went at my pace, everything happened before I really wanted it to, including the wedding, because I wasn't strong enough to stand up and risk hurting his feelings. I thought I liked him enough so even though there was a voice in my head screaming at me not to do it, it was like I was on an express train that I couldn't get off.

There were some red flags. The first one was when he shouted at me to "Shut the Fuck UP!" when I was telling a funny story to some of his mates that he was not happy about me telling. Humiliating and I felt like I'd been slapped. Nobody in my whole life had ever spoken to me like that before. His temper would flare up against other people in his life, especially his mum and sister who he hates. He would get so angry with his younger brother if he had the nerve not to do what he advised him to do with his life.

Throughout the marriage he has shown himself to be controlling (and not just of me) but the things he does are not to the level of so many others that I've read here. Sometimes I wish he would just do something out and out obviously abusive so I could properly say, there, I can leave. He is Mr Charming and Mr Right, he will bend over backwards to help other people, often to the detriment of me and our two kids. He is the guy who everyone knows, he loves that when he walks down the street he can wave and chat to everybody. He boasts and brags about who he knows and the amazing ideas that he has about saving the environment and what he does for the community. He argues non stop on the internet and in RL about politics and he just bulldozes over people until they back down.

At home, I have become an expert at keeping him happy. As long as he is left to his own devices, allowed to sit and drink a glass of wine while watching tv in quiet. The kids are kept away and are not bothering him. That I don't ask him to help or he's not expected to help with housework or (heaven forbid!) cook. Then he's fine and happy and we have peace. But there's always the threat of a blow up, if things don't go to plan, if he's tired or hungry or the kids get noisy or start fighting, if I ask him to put them to bed or if I need to go out and have him mind them, well then it all comes apart. He has this menacing aggression to him, he's not tall, but he's a big guy and has this horrible thunderous look that he gives me and the kids if we push the buttons. We are all scared of him when he gets like that. In his tempers over the years he has thrown things, broken things, punched walls, broken doors. Not to mention the road rage incidences. He has never hit or been physical with me - I guess he doesn't need to be. But I sometimes wonder if I wasn't so good at appeasing him, if I was more of an assertive personality, would that be true.

Then there's the shouting. He calls it his Big Voice and threatens the kids with it if they aren't immediately obedient. It's very "You made me do it". He has a deep loud roar that just explodes out of him and it's terrifying. He used to roar at me, but I'm good at backing off quickly now but the kids get it pretty much every day when he's around. DD is 11 and he even roared at her in the car once when she was a baby and was crying. Now she gets it for anything and everything and he never lets her explain or talk, just keeps shouting at her to stop talking, Shut UP! Go to your room! DS is 5 and has some social issues that we are looking into and H had left him alone pretty much but now that he's getting older he's getting it too. I hear the roar and I come running to try to calm things down. Often the children are sobbing and I found my DS hiding and sobbing in a corner a couple of weeks ago because H had roared at him to turn off the computer because it was too loud and he was watching TV. When I went into H to try to ask what was going on, he just told me to "Get OUt! Just Fuck Off!" DD will tell me what happened and say it's not right and I agree with her but if I say that out loud H rages that I'm undermining him.

There's so much more, but I don't want to write more of a novel than I already have. The thing is it sounds really bad on paper but there is no financial abuse, he doesn't accuse me of cheating or act jealous, he would never cheat on me, I have my own career which he supports, he doesn't call me names, he's often very sweet and I know he loves me and the children. I feel crazy trying to explain it and make sense of it. I go from being sure that this is abuse to being terrified that I'm over reacting and that I could ruin his life and the family. I do know I feel no romantic love for him and haven't for many years, when he touches me it's all I can do to not cringe away. We don't have sex anymore and I have never enjoyed it so that is a relief. He sleeps on the couch now because he says he feels so sad that I don't want to have sex. He believes (and I have told him) that it's a psychological problem of mine, probably from my religious past because it seems too cruel for me to say that I can't bear him to touch me.

OK, enough for now. I have started a journal to try to get it all out. I just don't really know what to do. How do I figure out if there is really something abusive happening or if I am just in a normal relationships with issues? Thank you for reading this far if you did!

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NutellaLawson · 23/08/2016 16:29

About the first half of your OP describes my exh to a T. I left him before children so in a way you have confirmed to me that i was right to leave.

Here's the thing: you do not need to wait for a specific thing or event or for him to get 'bad enough' to leave. I give you permission to leave right now, even if at the moment hes in his nice phase. Why? Because I left sooner than you have and my life is INFINITELY better now. As in, no comparison. A wonderful DH who is gentle, kind and generous.

One thing that kept me there to some extent was the fact that he was my first too. Like i was proud that he was my only. It was romantic and leaving meant an end to that ideal. Except the abuse was becoming too high a price to pay. He was never violent towards me (though his rages towards his mum, brother and sister told me all I needed to know about his volatility and how my future looked).

It was hard at first. I felt tremendous guilt for ages but over time I learned that people had not been blind about him as I'd thought. I assumed him being so extrovert and well liked that I would look the crazy one. But it turned out his own family had taken him aside and told him: ' no decent person treats their wife like that' and friends (his!) later told me everyone was saying 'glad she got out' about me. People were just not honest about him to my face. They had seen more than i realised and knew he could tantrum (as that is what it is).
So absolutely things ARE bad enough for you to leave. And it isnt you who is breaking the family apart. You are rescuing the family away from this man. Your kids will thank you for it.

Cary2012 · 23/08/2016 16:45

OP, Nutella is absolutely right. Read her wise words again and again when you doubt yourself.

Nutella, pleased you are on the other side. Well done.

TheSockGoblin · 23/08/2016 17:24

Yes it's abuse. Very sorry you and your children are being abused by this man.

I agree that love is really about the actions a person takes, and he isn't behaving in a way that is in any way loving. It doesn't matter if he can sometimes be nice, a truly loving person wouldn't treat you and their children this way.

Also violent abuse doesn't have to be about punching someone. He makes you physically afraid of him, and also makes your children afraid, through violent actions. This is emotional abuse, and physical abuse and, sorry to say sexual abuse as well.

It is that serious and it isn't your fault or something you have done because of your upbringing.

(by the by lots of abusive people are superficially very charming and people who only know them as acquaintences think they are wonderful. However you'd be surprised by how many people they don't fool. Even with all that charm and 'would do anything for anyone' persona.)

You say your family are supportive and it also sounds like your mum has already picked up on the fact something is wrong. Since they are supportive I would try and talk it through with them and tell them what has actually been happening. You might find they already had serious suspicions.

Speaking about it in real life will help to get you support and to really accept that this isn't in any way normal and you need assistance to break free.

Good luck and i hope you are able to make plans as soon as possible to get yourself and you children out of this situation.

wannabfree · 23/08/2016 21:05

Well, so far the plan is to call Women's Aid, I'm going to take it one decision at a time. He has old friends visiting that arrived today and he's so nice right now that it's weird for me to read the reactions here. I won't minimise though because I've not said anything that isn't true and I know you're all right. Especially those who have said to look at the situation as if it was happening to a friend or someone else close to me.

NutellaLawson I'm glad you got out earlier than I did. I've had a couple of times over the years when I came close. The first time was about 5 years in and I was right at the point of telling him when I found out I was pregnant. I often wonder how my life might have been different if I'd got out then. I know exactly what you mean about the pride and the guilt, I feel like a failure. I will be the first person in my whole family to have a broken marriage and the shame is huge. Not as big as the cost of staying though.

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Squirmy65ghyg · 23/08/2016 21:34

You will also be the first person to give your kids a life of peace, relaxation, calm and quiet.

AnvilAnnie · 23/08/2016 21:50

This is a reason to leave

a very good school friend of mine grew up with a father like this.
She is lovely and kind but only attracted to narcissistic abusive bullying men.

Her father did that to her. Do you want that for your children?

RandomMess · 23/08/2016 22:03

I think you will have to be prepared for seeing an even nastier side of him if/when he finds out you are leaving hence us all telling you to go to woman's aid - I don't think for one minute he will ever accept how awful his behaviour has and continues to be.

Flowers
wannabfree · 23/08/2016 22:22

If I had to predict how he will react I think he will be devastated and tell me how he's given everything up for me and be the martyr. He's asked me a few times over the years if I am going to leave him and that's how he's acted then. I always denied it before though and told him I wanted to stay so I guess I don't really know how this will go. What I do know is that I can't say he's not capable of turning very nasty.

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wannabfree · 23/08/2016 22:24

AnvilAnnie more than anything else, this scares me.

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purpleshortcake · 23/08/2016 22:32

What an awful situation. My heart goes out to you and your kids. If you were to witness anyone but him tell your children to "f**k off" I'm pretty sure you'd ensure they weren't exposed to that again. Hopefully you will confide in your family soon and they will give you support and the strength to move on x

quicklydecides · 23/08/2016 22:35

I feel so sorry for your children.
They are living in fear.
When if they are just having an ordinary day, they KNOW that no matter what they do, there could be aggression directed at them.
They must be on edge constantly.
Don't let him do this to them.

MudCity · 23/08/2016 22:38

My heart goes out to you. If you can't leave this relationship for yourself then do it for your 11 year old DD who has told you it's not right and for your tearful DS who hides away from his father. You are their role model and they trust you to do right by them.

I'm so sorry you are going through this. You will find happiness, and most importantly peace, elsewhere. Peace of mind is priceless. Please get yourself support in RL and make a commitment to a peaceful future for you and your DC. Flowers

AnvilAnnie · 23/08/2016 22:44

I think yuou aren't wrong to be scared of it.

My friend is a good kind lovely attractive woman. Her relationship history is really sad - and there is no reason for it. She just can't seem to engage with any of the nice men who are attracted to her. Every time it is the charmer who turns abusive. Every time.

purpleshortcake · 23/08/2016 22:48

PS I was in a very similar relationship too (no kids thankfully). He was the life and soul of the party in public (apart from a couple of very nasty flare ups if he thought anyone was undermining him) but was often charming and I thought everyone liked him. I never let my family or friends know about the tempers and shouting that went on behind closed doors. He used to tell me I was needy, I was provoking him into lashing out, that I needed CBT to sort my issues out.
I found out later that many of my family were suspicious of him and a couple said they had taken an instant dislike to him. Like you I didn't want to speak badly against him in case we ended up staying together. In retrospect he had no close male friends which was odd.

He never hit me but I found out later he had an injunction out against him and was banned from being with a certain distance of his ex wife or children. A few years after I left him I had contact from a woman who had married him and who had ended up with him hitting her. He told her she was the third woman he had hit so I had a very lucky escape. When he found out I was speaking to her and had done a statement for her solicitor he emailed me and told me to " watch my back, he knew where I lived". I shudder to think about what a lucky escape I had.

Please please leave. It will be awful at first and he will promise you the earth and that he can change but life will be immeasurably better for you and your children x

Daffodils8 · 23/08/2016 23:39

I didn't want to read and run. I'm thinking of you and hoping everything goes well.

You and your children deserve to be happy. Flowers

Memoires · 24/08/2016 10:27

Of course he'll be devastated if you go. He's put many years and a lot of effort into training you, and he doesn't want to have to start again with someone else, he wants to concentrate on training his children.

Ring Woman's Aid.
Could you take the children to stay at your parents and simply not come home, ever again?
If you can, collect financial docs and make copies. Collect all important docs - passport, birth certs etc. Put everything somewhere safe, maybe at work? Have an emergency bag of basics in the car or at a friend's, in case you need to leave in a hurry.

Your h is a violent man. You are not safe with him. Get out.

Downtheroadfirstonleft · 24/08/2016 19:56

Get out, for your kids' sake. Flowers

12hours · 24/08/2016 20:01

Hey Op. I am in exactly the same situation, I posted on MN a while back about it. I know how you can go through thinking one minute it's EA and then a big panic takes over and you feel like you are making the whole thing up or imagining it! It's horrible and the guilt is awful. I saw a counsellor for a bit and she really helped me to sort of look at him in a way that doesn't make him so big, not physically but mentally he can completely overwhelm the mood in the whole house when it's not good. It's like a dark thunder cloud. Then some days he is ok and in hindsight the last episode maybe doesn't feel so bad? As long as everything is ok and he is happy, we are ok. It's not right. I am splitting soon, have seen a solicitor and the bit of counselling made me not so scared of him anymore as I have made my mind up about my decision and detached myself. It's not easy and I am terrified about the next hurdle and the kids, but I don't want to always live my life checking that he is ok, or have I upset him with what I said/done, walking on eggshells in my own home. You are on the right road now as you have realised. Take your time and do as much as you can manage at a time, and you will get out. Take care.

wannabfree · 24/08/2016 21:00

12hours Thank you so much, that's exactly how it feels right now. I would love to talk to a counsellor. I called women's aid today and it was so good to talk to someone and she was reassuring me that it definitely is EA. It was so cathartic and a relief to finally get it out of my head and say it out loud to someone, like 17 years of holding my breath. Then after the call I think with the relief of it all my head got confused and started saying, see, it's not so bad, you're exaggerating this and it's all fine. I get so mad at myself.

One thing she encouraged me to do is like you said to just sit with it for awhile, to let myself accept what I've admitted to myself that it IS real.

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Memoires · 24/08/2016 21:40

Wanna well done! Up and down for a little while, but take things at the speed which is comfortable for you. Don't let people push you faster than you're OK with. I think it'll help over the time if you can kind of schedule some quiet time for yourself, to keep yourself balanced; you could make it 10 mins a day, half an hour a week, whatever suits you. Also, try to give yourself a small treat every day - a square of chocolate, a nice aromatherapy hand oil rubbed in for 5 minutes, a coffee in your favourite place, something. Remind yourself that you are a good person who deserves a little pampering.

12hours · 25/08/2016 05:56

Wanna I also spoke to WA. You might be surprised at the fact that you keep double checking that it's really EA, it's like you don't trust your own judgment xo you need validation. That's all part and parcel of it. One thing I have done is not forced myself to set a date. If you have family that know, they may push you a bit to leave as they are worried, but you will do it when the time is right for you. I have worked through quite a bit of grief re the loss of the relationship over the last couple of months, even though still in the relationship, but that's just my way of doing it and coping with it. You will go through confusion as he may be very nice to you and then you feel you are making a fuss about nothing. It really messes with your head, and then you go to seek validation again that this is EA. I agree entirely with Memoires, don't be rushed and take care of yourself and have some treats and pampering. This will show you that you think enough of yourself to deserve these things and that in turn will give you confidence.

Janie143 · 25/08/2016 07:11

Wanna I cant believe how similar everything you have written is to my story. We have 3 DC 2 boys & a girl Did not wakeup to the fact that we were all being EA until the youngest (DD) was 13. He had been physically abusive to DC especially the DS. Also broke their toys as punishment for disobedience or being noisy etc
It took me witnessing him going for my DD over something trival for me to finally realise. I too went to womens aid to ask if it was abuse. How could I not know. We have been separated for 3 years Still not divorced because I'm too sacred of his reaction This year my DD told.me she's been self harming for years and was sacred she could stop
I had no idea she hid it so well from me. She is getting professional help for that now and other effects of the abuse. I feel so much guilt for not protecting her and her DBs. I think I is like living in a cult and the abuser totally brainwashes you. I am an intelligent person in managerial position at work but at home I was nothing. I am so pleased you are talking to women's aid they are amazing

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