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Had no choice but to have my daughter arrested last night...

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contrary13 · 02/08/2016 11:01

I've written before (in comments on other threads) about my daughter. She was diagnosed with bipolar2, NPD and possible ADHD in January, following her lying to the police in order to have me arrested and her younger brother "taken away from [me]". I was released without charge (although she's adamant that she pressed them), she was referred on to the mental health team, childrens services came and said what a great mum I am (if that's even possible). My daughter is 20 next Sunday, and my son is 11.

She stopped taking her medication in the middle of May. Having already lived through several pyschotic breakdowns with her at the helm (the last one, she honestly believed that she was the next Messiah...), I've recognised the signs of another one building. I've begged for help for her, but because she's an adult, and is adamant that there's actually nothing wrong with her (she's convinced that I'm in league with her psych team - not one of whom I've ever met/spoken to in my life! - and that I simply want to "stifle [her] creativity" and prevent her from living her life. Actually, all I want is for her to be safe, and as well as she's ever going to get!), no one's interested. She's spent the last 6 months essentially abusing me. If I ask her to put the recycling out, it's "I'll have you re-arrested and [DS] taken off you, you cunt!", and so on. Threats of violence towards me and herself, emotional abuse, verbal abuse.

Last night, she threw a pan of cooking steak over the kitchen, whilst I and DS were standing there (she'd been cooking it), because I'd dared to ask her if she'd put the chips on (she'd said she was going to cook supper, as apparently only she knows how to cook steak). She then screeched at me, was I insane, because I'd just flung the pan all over the place before she went up to her room. I was worried the situation was going to escalate, so went up to apologise to her, to find her shoving clothes into her bag. I think I said something like "don't be so ludicrous"... and the next thing I know, she's shoving me over into her window. My son tells me that I hit my head on the sill, and that he called for an ambulance, which I apparently refused, so he called my mother. I don't remember any of this at all. Next thing I know, I'm being hauled upright by two police officers, my mother's standing there, and my DS is in hysterics because he thought that I was going to be arrested again. My mother had called an ambulance, and apparently, if an ambulance is called twice to the same address in a short space of time - they send the police, too.

Ambulance crew attended, examined me, I have a concussion, swelling to the occipital bone on the side that must have whacked the windowsill, and because I was so totally out of it, they determined that they had to do "the drunk tests" on me... which was completely humiliating as the only mind altering substances I had in my system were my prescribed meds for the day that far (I have neuropathy and fibromyalgia, amongst other things). I refused to go to hospital because, frankly, I've probably spent most of my life concussed one way or the other, and over the years I've survived worse. Police officer took my initial statement, listened to everything that I had to say, whilst his colleague was talking to my DS downstairs (according to them, he's a level headed kid because he gave a totally unbiased statement of what had happened, and even showed them on Google Maps where they could find his sister - who had told my mother, when she called her, that she was at the boyfriend's). They went off and arrested her, put her in a cell for several hours, and did everything that goes with that.

I haven't pressed charges. I know that I ought to have. She essentially left me for dead. For all she knew, she'd killed me and she chose to run and leave an 11 year old boy to deal with that by himself. I also know that this is because she's unmedicated and very unwell. I know that I didn't cause this, I cannot cure it, and I always forget the third 'C'. I've spent most of the last evening and this morning reassuring my son that he absolutely did the right thing, and that he's not to blame in any way, shape, or form for any of this. I know that last night happened because she's failed her first year at uni, and failed the resit. She was probably panicking because every teacher/tutor she's ever had up until uni has done nothing but allow her to coast... and uni, where she was expected to not only work, but to pull her weight in a team, proved out of her realm of understanding, I think. Her boyfriend also refused to talk to her yesterday, and she was in a mood about that.

Right now, I honestly feel as though my daughter died last night. She's lost herself to me forever. My mother and the police officer who called at 1am to find out what I wanted to do (this all started just before 6pm), both said that I have to put myself and DS first now. And rationally, I know that I do. I will. I just feel so tired, and immensely sad. All I can think about is how I used to look at her when she was a baby and a very young child and dream of all the different futures she could have. This? This definitely wasn't one of them.

I don't even really know why I'm typing this post. I just need to get it all out of my head so that I can put it to one side and try to move on for my son's sake. All I want is to curl up into a ball and howl for the loss of my daughter. But I can't.

It's funny, though (in a not-at-all-really sort of a way). If I were dating her, I could walk away. But because I'm her mother... I can't. Because I'll spend the rest of my life worrying about her, even though I'll never see her again. I just hope she's safe and that her boyfriend knows what he's let himself in for.

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sansXsouci · 02/08/2016 13:44

I don't know if things have changed since I had to do this fruitcider, but 10 yrs ago you called the police said you were worried about whoever's MH, they are a danger to themselves/others, the police would come and take the person to the station, put them in a cell until gp, psychiatrist and I think a social worker could come and decide it the person should be sectioned.

contrary13 · 02/08/2016 16:05

Thank you everyone.

I'm waiting to speak to the officer who dealt with this last night, as a couple of hours ago she turned up (with my mother) on the doorstep... and tried to kick the door down, because I wouldn't let her into the house.

I think I have no other option now, but to press charges.

My mother cannot understand why I have called the police, said that my daughter "simply wanted to apologise", and that as she was apparently told last night that she did absolutely nothing wrong, and it's all in my head!!!, I'm being completely unreasonable. The 101 operator has told me that if she turns up again, I am to dial 999 immediately.

Thank God for security chains, is all I can say, because both DS and I were frightened by the fact that, suddenly, she was on the doorstep again. No warning, no "can she come up - she wants to apologise", just... there. And furious.

My DS has been an absolute gem today. He's made me more cups of tea than I ever thought possible to drink, and we've distracted ourselves as best we can. It still feels like she's dead, though. I think it probably always will do. I have no clue as to what my mother's thought process was, but as my daughter has always been pandered to by my parents, I suspect it's a whole lot of denial and refusal to admit that when I begged them for support, they told me they weren't interested. Too little, too late now, though, I'm afraid.

She is with my parents at the moment, so at least I do know that she's safe. It's been hinted that the boyfriend has told her she's not to stay with him - although I don't know, and as awful as this sounds, I don't really care any more. I've only met him once, fleetingly, and have long suspected that he's not been made aware of the extent of her illness (if, indeed, he even knew about it in the first place). He seemed like a nice bloke, though. Told me the truth, when she lied to my face about something so inconsequential that I still don't understand why she lied in the first place.

She will always be my daughter, and I will always love her. But I cannot have her around me and - more importantly - DS for... well, possibly forever. If, when he's older, DS wants to have a relationship with her, that'll be his choice. But I don't know how, or even if I can ever forgive her for doing what she has done.

But thank you to everyone who replied. I'll be brutally honest, I have felt so alone with this for longer than I can even start to put into words. This afternoon, though, I'm starting to feel as though I might be able to find that light at the end of the tunnel once more. I just hope that, one day, my daughter finds her way back to herself.

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Yoksha · 02/08/2016 16:22

OP as a mum who has a daughter with mental health problems I felt your pain immensely. My grand daughter is also suffering. I try to deal with each visit on its own merit, but no where near what you experience.

Flowers for you.

Cary2012 · 02/08/2016 16:56

OP your ds sounds lovely. Your mum sounds like she's dona a u-turn from last night when she said you must put yourself first. Like you said, perhaps minimising it now because she feels guilty for not getting more involved when you previously needed her support. At least DD is safe with her GPs. Never say never, at this stage about a future with your DD, just let the shock and hurt settle, although completely understandable if you have reached the end of the road with her. Early days, so you and DS look after each other. You can't allow her in your house until she has had treatment and is stable. Surely after seeing you in the state she did last night, your mum, in her heart of hearts, knows this?

ChampagneTastes · 02/08/2016 17:09

You are doing brilliantly; your DS sounds like an absolute treasure. Try not to get involved in whatever guilt trip your mother is entertaining. If she wants to have your DD with her then that's up to her but she can not inflict her on you or your DS. Maybe you and your DS could go out for the day tomorrow? Have some space and time away from the house?

FruitCider · 02/08/2016 17:12

Sans it's section 136. Section 135(1) can be used for assistance during a mental health act assessment. and police can enter someone's home in those circumstances, same as if someone has absconded/AWOL. But the only power the police can use for safety and welfare check is s. 136. The person has to be in a public place for this to be used and not in their home. It is actually the responsibility of AMPHs to convey patients from home to hospital once a patient has been detained under the act (apart from s. 136)

Mental health cop does an amazing blog about mental health laws if anyone is interested - mentalhealthcop.wordpress.com

goodenoughmum88 · 02/08/2016 19:08

OP there is support and advocacy for you and your son if you would like it. You can contact Rethink. They also support Young carers/the siblings of people suffering from mental health problems. www.rethink.org/carers-family-friends/support-for-young-carers
They can advise you of your rights and give you some support if you're feeling alone as you said. Xxx

CaroleService · 02/08/2016 19:19

I don't think the OP is in the UK, is she? Those links look great but I think they are only relevant in the UK

NotTodayDear · 02/08/2016 19:42

Hello OP. I understand. My daughter ended up being sectioned in March. I have a son the same age as yours too. I'm sorry, I don't have time to write a lot now but I'd seriously consider getting a MH assessment done for your dd in this situation. My dd isn't an adult, so it was a different scenario with having her sectioned. Didn't want to read and run and I wanted to say PM me if you want to chat. I could have written great swathes of your post, right down to the tricky grandparent issues. Stay strong, it'll all sort out.

contrary13 · 02/08/2016 19:59

Carole - I am in the UK, yes.

Still waiting to hear from the PO... but I have had calls from my mother and daughter bleating about just wanting everything to be okay again. I'd honestly love it to be. However. She left me for dead, with just her 11 year old brother in the house.

How can that ever be okay again?

I don't know if the police officer has contacted my mother, or my daughter. I don't even think I care anymore. My priority now is my son, who is too young to have to deal with this crap. My head still hurts. Yet I have been told, by my own mother, that my daughter is blameless. She's "beside herself", apparently. My parents have also pulled the guilt-trip act towards me this afternoon. Because they know my weak spots. As does she.

I have spoken to her. She asked me if I was going to apologise. I'm not sure what on earth for. She's safe, and whilst I suspect my parents might not be... my son and I are for the time being. I'm not sure what else I'm supposed to hope for. I'm really not.

Urgh. If someone had said to me a year ago (she threatened to kill herself last October after a break-up, and I bent over backwards to pander to her) that this was going to be the situation for my son, for her, for myself, for our animals (whose safety I was also quizzed about last night!), then... I don't know. She's not well. I know that. My parents know that. I can only hope that she gets the help she actually needs before it's actually too late.

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contrary13 · 02/08/2016 20:04

The rethink link is definitely one I'm going to be following up, goodenough - thank you. DS was supposed to be followed up with regards to the young carer's "thing" months ago... but hasn't been. He's in no way shape or form my carer, just as she isn't, nor he, hers... but he does need support. Particularly support that I and his father can't actually give him.

He really does.

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gamerchick · 02/08/2016 20:21

The only way she'll get help is if there is no family support. She'll outstay her welcome and your mother will step up the pressure to take her back. Mental health services will pressure you to take her in. Then she becomes your responsibility. You don't take responsibility for her, repeat it over and over in your head so it's automatic. They'll have to section her for assessment where again the pressure to discharge will ring in your ears. She won't get help if there is a family member willing to take her in apart from care in the community bollocks which doesn't work.

The only way you can save her is to withdraw completely until MH services are forced to take over.

Good luck.

ppandj · 02/08/2016 20:33

I'm afraid I don't have any words of advice but I couldn't read and run. I absolutely think you are doing the right thing for you and your son. Sorry you are dealing with this Flowers

Cary2012 · 02/08/2016 20:46

I know it sounds harsh OP, but whilst not wishing any harm on your parents, perhaps it might do them good if she does kick off when staying with them. Sounds like they are all in denial. Absolutely your only priority right know is you and ds. Keep going, you're doing well.

Fluffycloudland77 · 02/08/2016 21:13

I wouldn't let her back TBH. It's not safe for her to be around you.

Your parents want her back with you because it's easier for them. They probably don't want her either.

TheDevilMadeMeDoIt · 02/08/2016 22:09

If she's charged with assault, and even more so if she's found guilty, it will make your case with social services/mental health teams very much stronger for you not being pressured to take her back.

And how CAN your mother say that your daughter is blameless, did absolutely nothing wrong and it's all in your head. She found you unconscious and rang an ambulance ffs.

Boogers · 02/08/2016 22:35

Right contrary

You did not cause this
You cannot control this
You cannot cure this

Repeat ad infinitum

In some ways I don't blame your mother for taking your daughter in, but leave it at that. Your mother will see soon enough how volatile your daughter is, and all you can do is pick up the pieces when, not if, when that happens. In the meantime look after yourself and your son. Keep the door on the chain, keep your phone with you, 999 will understand immediately when you ring them.

Your daughter sounds so volatile that you need a backup plan in case she smashes a window or kicks in the door. Does your bathroom have a lock on it? Can you and your DS get there quickly? Does your phone have charge?

ladymarymoo · 03/08/2016 11:38

For your Mother and DD I think that you need to adopt the broken record approach. They are completely in denial it seems.

"I have a head injury inflicted by DD, she left me unconscious with only DS in the house and didn't get me medical help, I can't have her in the house due to this, nothing you can say will make this ok".

repeat and repeat it in any communication.

Has someone contacted your DD's MH support to report this incident and advise that she isn't taking medication? if not then do. if not the support team then contact her GP.

Then if I were you I would be tempted to turn the phone off (but keep it handy). Your parents will soon realise how volatile she is.

Could you and your DS get away for a couple of days this weekend?

ImperialBlether · 03/08/2016 14:31

I think you have to press charges for her sake. It seems like that's the only way that she'll be given help. It sounds as though she'd really kick off if she was put in a cell for a few hours and once the police know that she's under the care of mental health specialists, a doctor would be brought in. If you tell the police she's no longer taking her medication, then that message can be passed on.

It sounds as though you are incredibly strong and I really wish you didn't have to be. Your own parents should be backing you up; surely they know the problems you've had with your daughter?

Why were the police holding you up? It sounds as though you think they thought you were responsible for what happened.

ladymarymoo · 03/08/2016 14:36

ImperialBlether in the original OP it says that they did put DD in the Cell for several hours..........

TheDevilMadeMeDoIt · 03/08/2016 15:25

How are things today OP?
I hope you're OK.

springydaffs · 03/08/2016 17:42

I'm so sorry to hear about your daughter. I know the pain you are experiencing (t-shirt)

However. I feel very concerned for your son. You are not a team: you are his parent - and he is only 11. It is appalling he is living through this. Sad

Please, step up and be a parent to him. You probably won't hear this and may feel defensive but it is clear from your posts he is not at the forefront of your mind, when he needs to be. It is very damaging for him to have lived through this.

Do look at Joshua Coleman's site. He is a marvel.

contrary13 · 04/08/2016 12:20

Springydaffs... I am my DS' parent. I am more than aware that he is only 11 years old - and I completely agree with you, 100pc, that he should not have to live through this. Actually, his safety is the sole thing that I'm actually concerned about right now - I don't know if you actually understood the point that I was making, have made, am continuing to make when I said that my daughter is dead to me now. Because of what she has done. In more ways than one, I'm more horrified by the fact that she left her 11 year old brother to deal with the situation that she caused when she rendered me unconscious. That was beyond my control. I was unconscious on the floor. But I'm more disturbed by the fact that she left an 11 year old child to deal with it, than by the fact that she could actually have killed me.

But she is mentally unwell. And she does need help... which I have been begging various resources (the GP, her MH team, the CRISIS team) for, for weeks now. But because she's 20, and technically an adult, no one seems interested in listening to my concerns. I don't know if you've ever lived with someone with extreme MH issues, but believe me: when they're your child, no matter how old they physically are, then you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't. Part of her rage towards me is because I have spent more time with DS than with her this summer. He and I have been on days out, we've discovered the joys of a SAT-NAV and have been pootling around the countryside exploring and finding places we've never been to, and we've had more conversations about dinosaurs (his big love) than I care to count. I've done that not only because I'm his parent and I love spending time with him... but also to try and keep him away from his extremely vicious older sister. Her father's no use. He disowned her when she was 8. She disowned the rest of her paternal family a few years ago. They don't want to know.

I am not, and never have been, a parent who tries to be their children's friend. I have always been a parent. My son knows this, and he looks to me to protect him. Which I do. Which I will do until my dying breath. But I did not cause, or create this situation to erupt around him... and I'm actually so proud of the maturity he showed in his reaction to it. We're not a team. Of course we're not. He and I? We're family.

And no, this isn't me being defensive... this is me agreeing with you, but also telling you that, in one way, you're wrong. When my son is unwell, or stressed, I make him cups of tea, and I cuddle him and I tell him that everything is going to be okay... he simply did the same whilst I grieved the loss of his sister and dealt with the concussion. He doesn't know how I feel about her, and he won't. Because he's 11. But he has his own feelings, and his own opinions on how he wants his home to be... and I have to listen to them, and take them on board, and try to figure out a way through this. For him. Not his sister. Not me. Him.

Please don't presume that I consider my son my equal. He is my child and I am his parent. And I will die before I allow anything to happen to him.

However... I am also my adult child's parent. And no matter how I feel towards her right now, I am very worried for her future safety, as well. It's a juggling act, at the best of times, but he is a child and she is an adult. I do know the difference, thanks.

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NotTodayDear · 04/08/2016 12:51

Springydaffs that is one of the most insensitive posts I've read on this site, and that is saying something. Nothing more to say as the OP has responded so eloquently, but please consider what effect it may have on the OP, who is already dealing with so, so much, to read appalling shite like your post.

contrary13 · 04/08/2016 13:02

My daughter claimed to have taken an overdose yesterday afternoon, and I was called to the local A&E department, as her next of kin, where we sat in silence from 6pm until 2am. My DS was with my father, who is refusing point blank to have anything to do with his granddaughter whatsoever. My mother got shirty when the hospital staff deferred to me as next of kin.

I think I mentioned before that my daughter tried to kill herself last October, when her boyfriend at the time dumped her. The boyfriend whom she was so adamant would take her in on Monday... refused point blank to do so. Whilst I had my suspicions that she hadn't been honest with him about the extent of her illness, knowing - from the police officer whom I spoke to on Tuesday - that he was badly beaten up and left for dead last year... I'm not surprised in the slightest that he refused to. But there is a pattern emerging. And I've told everyone who will listen that I'm not going to be around for the third, or the fourth, or the fifth time that she thinks she can claim to have taken an overdose, simply because she thinks that (a) it'll absolve her of whatever she's done wrong and (b) that a bloke will have to take her back.

Whilst I am very glad that she's actually okay (to be honest, I don't think she took the pills at all... every single "tell" which she exhibits when she lies was out in full force last night), I haven't spoken a word to her since she tried to kick my front door down on Tuesday, because I wouldn't allow her into the house.

She is still with my mother. Apparently she still wants to "come home". I don't think she realises that that's her home now. She got very shouty when my mother told her that she was going back there last night, rather than with me. Personally, I think she needs to be sectioned for her own safety, never mind anyone else's.

But either way, I still feel that my daughter died on Monday. And no, I haven't forgiven her (nor will I), and I hope - for his own sake - that the boyfriend doesn't take her back.

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