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Living With Mother - opinions please!

44 replies

VolDeNuit · 26/01/2007 18:41

Hi everyone! Long time lurker and first time poster here, desperately in need of advice! Apologies for the mammoth post. I'm wondering if any posters have experience of living with elderly parents.
Some background - DH and I are in our mid-forties and have been married 4 years. I have a 10 year-old DS from a previous relationship, we live in London. DH runs his own business from home.
We live in a small, expensive rented flat and haven't been able to get on the property ladder since we married. DH was unable to work for a long time following a serious accident, which wiped out all our savings. House prices have doubled in 4 years and the average price of a 3 bed house around here is ?300,000. Our income is now well above average, but we still couldn't afford that sort of mortgage.
My mother, who is nearly 80, lives alone in a 15 room house in a very beautiful part of the country. She has refused to move to a smaller property since my father died 14 years ago. She is still as sharp as a needle, but is becoming increasingy frail and has mobility problems. The house is in a bad state of repair, but she lacks the energy or will to do anything about it although she is quite well off. She has admitted she can no longer cope with the house, or the upheaval of moving.
My only brother and his family are emigrating this year. We suggested it would be to everyone's benefit if we moved in with her. Over the last 3 years I have nursed her 3 times (for about 5 months in total) while she was bedridden following operations. We normally spend about 2 months a year with her, helping sort the house out etc. I sacrificed a summer holiday with DH and DS last year to accompany her abroad to see her own family (possibly for the last time) because she couldn't manage the trip unattended.
We have offered to pay her ?500 per month to occupy the unused attic bedrooms and convert another room used for storage into an office for DH. We have also offered to undertake repairs, re-decorate, pay for domestic help and organise her shopping etc. There are 2 kitchens in the house, plus another 4 rooms (a huge living room, dining room and 2 other spare double bedrooms) which are only used when family come to visit, so we wouldn't exactly be under her feet all the time.
My mother reluctantly agreed to this plan but has said repeatedly that she "won't like it" and has now imposed a great many conditions including:
. She wants to monitor our financial affairs - we have to clear all our debts (about ?6,000 cards/bank loan) and agree to save at least 50% of our income.
. She wants the right to inspect our bedrooms because we are messy and "leave clothes lying around", and "keep the rooms too hot" (the attic rooms are unheated and the house is freezing and damp!).
. Last but not least, I now have to get psychiatric counselling and preferably medication before we move in because I had a row with DH at Xmas (which she unfortunately overheard) and am obviously mentally unstable.
We love her to bits, and she has been very generous to us when times were hard, but she has always been critical and controlling. I left home 25 years ago, have had a successful career, run my own home for years, try to be a good daughter, and am still treated like a difficult, incompetent and irresponsible teenager.
Is my beloved mama taking the piss?

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Blandmum · 26/01/2007 18:42

With all respect, don't do it.

hiddentreasure · 26/01/2007 19:55

It was all looking so good until you got to the conditions - is she certifiably controlling or is this a very clever ploy to make absolutely sure you don't come and live with her?

She REALLY doesn't want you there. You REALLY don't want to be there. Move to Scotland instead.

And stop letting her be Headmistress to your Naughty Little Girl. You are Competent Adult, she is Frail adult who needs your help.

lulumama · 26/01/2007 19:58

oh my goodness

i imagine, even if you do move in, and agree to these, frankly ludicrous conditions, i guarantee more will be imposed......

she has said she won't like it, so she will make damn sure you won;t either.....

can you have any sort of reasonable conversation with your mum?

ChipButty · 26/01/2007 19:59

DON'T DO IT! You cut the apron strings a long time ago.

Crocodilekate · 26/01/2007 20:00

She is getting you this wound up when you are away from her! Don't do it.

MrsApron · 26/01/2007 20:02

your mother is a nut. And so are you for even considering it.

WigWamBam · 26/01/2007 20:03

Don't do it. She's already stated her intention to control you - monitoring your finances, having access to your bedroom, control how warm your rooms are, and send you to a psychiatrist() ... why ever would you want to move in with her under those conditions?

She's told you she doesn't want you there, and her conditions are designed to make you so miserable that you won't want to be there either. Don't do that to yourselves - don't do it to your children either, it would be dreadful for them to see you being treated that way.

Kittypickle · 26/01/2007 20:03

This sounds like a recipe for complete disaster. I wouldn't do it.

Sobernow · 26/01/2007 20:20

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fizzbuzz · 26/01/2007 20:22

When my dp left me I moved in with my mum, who was very controlling.

It was awful, and in effect my relationship with her was never the same after it. I tended to keep my distance to some extent, so she couldn't manipulate me. Very sad .

Don't do it, believe me, i have been there.

Lynn3 · 26/01/2007 20:25

I let my mum come to live with me a few years ago. Although I got on really well with her - and she is quite a nice person, after about a month I could quite happily have strangled her.... slowly. Eventually, things got so bad that she moved out, and it has taken us about three years just to be civil to each other again. Things don't exactly seem perfect in the beginning for you, so my advice would be a big, fat DON'T DO IT at any cost. Even though the big house seems tempting, it's not worth it.

CamomileTea · 26/01/2007 20:29

Find her a nice retirement home. Tell her you can sell/ rent her house and take the hassle away from her and use the proceeds to pay for her fees.

you're the adult now. she's an elderly woman who needs managing. You need to make it clear that you're the matriarch and this would be a favour to her not to you. You're offering to look after your elderly mother until death effectively and she might not stay sharp as a needle/ able to look after herself

if she doesn't like it then she needs to look again at your original plan but without all the madness

and you need to have a look at her will to make sure that your brother/ her cat/ Battersea Dogs Home don't end up inheriting your back rent

CamomileTea · 26/01/2007 20:29

by 'if she doesn't like it' I mean the retirement home plan

Pages · 26/01/2007 20:48

I agree totally that it sounds like a recipe for disaster. I think you would live to regret it, seriously.

You say you are now earning above average and that your debts are 6,000 - which isn't that much. Are you able to say how much you are earning? Presumably if you can move to your mums you and DH can both continue to work wherever you move to? I would strongly recommend you try and get on the housing ladder - as someone else said, move to a part of the country where it is cheaper to buy. Have you looked into different types of mortgage?

WigWamBam · 26/01/2007 21:04

Where have you gone, Vol?

Sincere apologies if I'm wrong, but this is yet another first-time poster, on the Relationships board, with a long, complicated tale of woe, and I am beginning to smell yet another rat.

Am going to stop replying to threads on the Relationships topic, I think.

Sobernow · 26/01/2007 21:13

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lulumama · 26/01/2007 21:14

she might have gone to have supper !

WigWamBam · 26/01/2007 21:18

I did say that I apologise if I'm wrong, but I've lost count of the number of Relationships threads there's been over the past couple of weeks, all by first-time posters, all with wild and outrageous stories, none of whom ever come back to the thread. I don't normally mind giving out advice to someone who is possibly trolling because it may be useful to someone else, but there's been so many of them recently that it's getting rather wearing.

May have gone to get some supper? I don't know many people who would post something like this then bugger off for nearly three hours. Someone who needs advice tends to stick around and wait for it.

lulumama · 26/01/2007 21:19

maybe so, but she is not going to move in today, so maybe gone to have something to eat and will check back later..

VolDeNuit · 26/01/2007 21:40

Many thanks for all your replies. You have all confirmed what I know to be true deep down.Sorry for the delay in posting back, I've had people round for dinner and have only just had a chance read all your posts. I'm not a troll I assure you (I can spell and don't write in text-talk for a start!)

Yes, it does sound quite ludicrous written down in black and white, I know, but the situation with all these "conditions" has crept up gradually over the last few months and came to a head over the Xmas holidays.

Part of the problem is that my brother, SIL and DH are very very keen for this arrangement to go ahead. It means that my brother won't have to worry about mum living by herself when he moves to the other side of the globe, and DH won't have to worry about us getting a mortgage or feel guilty about us living in overcrowded accommodation.

They dismiss my concerns and can't understand why I take any notice of her. I'm afraid they are both the sort of men who just don't take elderly women very seriously, and have conveniently ignored her total lack of enthusiasm about us moving in.

Mum NEVER tries to interfere with or criticise my brother or SIL to their faces, likewise if she's unhappy with DH she just complains to me about him and I'm expected to sort him out.

I'm having to brace myself for being labelled a very bad and selfish person by certain members of my family if I back out of this move, and I suppose I've been to cowardly to face up to this.

The retirement home option is a non-starter by the way, she's made it quite clear she won't consider it until she's quite incapable of looking after herself.

Thanks anyway for vindicating my feelings, ladies!

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WigWamBam · 26/01/2007 21:48

I do apologise, Vol. Just getting a little jaded, what with recent over-active bridge-type dwellers on this board!

I do hope you can sort something out that doesn't cost you your privacy, or your sanity.

VolDeNuit · 26/01/2007 21:53

Just wanted to add that my post crossed with a few others while I was typing. Sorry if I've triggered an attack of Friday Night Forum 'Noia amongst some regulars here. My situation is entirely genuine.

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Sobernow · 26/01/2007 22:00

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VolDeNuit · 26/01/2007 22:17

She'd never stand for locks on the door, Sobernow. She's made it quite clear that it's HER house and she's entitled to make the rules. I'd never be allowed to forget I'm living in someone else's home.

Of course she can't make me go for counselling, but she says if I don't, we can't move in. DH just won't believe she means it, but she's asked me every time we've spoken on the phone if I've arranged to see anyone yet.

I stayed with her for a while after I split up with DS's father several years ago. She used to "tidy" my room and put stuff away in my chest of drawers while I was out. (Served her right when she found the vibrator!) She also "accidentally" opened my post on several occasions (we have the same initial and surname.) I was 38! After a few months of this I was so depressed I fled back to London.

I thought she'd mellowed considerably, but apparently not.

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Lwatkins · 27/01/2007 05:02

I'm sorry i don't mean to be rude but it IS HER home. I'm not justifying all of these rules that's she is laying down, to be honest they seem rather silly to me! But it is your mothers home and has been forever, it was the home she shared with her husband until he died - all her memories (the good and the bad) are in that house. Can you blame her for worrying that a whole family are wanting to move in and make changes to her normal? I can totally see why she might be a bit scared of this sudden big change, put yourself in her shoes. Your on your own in your family home, and have been for a long time. Then all of a sudden some family members with young children are wanting to move in and disturb everything that you've become used too. It's a big change to try and adjust to for you, but an even bigger one for her, think about it.
As for the suggestion made about sticking her in a home and then taking over the house, sorry but i think that is a positivley disgusting thing to say! I hate seeing people dumping their poor parents in homes and leaving them there to rot - it sickens me. These people bought you into the world and raised and supported you until an age where by you could look after yourself. I think the least people can do is show the same condideration for their parents and take care of them in their old age.
To be honest it sounds like your mother doesn't really want you there, and sorry but i can see why by the points i've made above. Especially if talk of moving her to a home have already cropped up and that's clearly not what she wants. I think there is too much focus on what YOU and YOUR family are wanting here, but it should be about HER. It is HER home. Your housing problems etc aren't her problem, it's for you to sort out. She's done the whole family thing before and probably just wants to live in peace, not add a new family to her life.
Sorry i'm not being judgemental, it's just everyone on this thread seems very one sided and nobody is thinking of your mothers wishes.