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post-birth visit from MIL - bad idea in context of messed-up parents?

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parentsvsPIL · 19/07/2016 03:42

First pregnancy recently announced. PIL are well-adjusted, sensible and kind people who read social cues well. They are absolutely delighted about the pregnancy, and will come to visit the new grandchild briefly after the birth. They have said they'll definitely stay in a hotel, turn up, say the grandkid is wonderful and parents are doing brilliantly, bring cake/ takeaway/ nappies/ whatever, cook a meal if we want it, and not outstay their welcome. MIL has offered to stay for a week longer "to provide female support" and to cook meals/ help round the house. Sounds great to us - she is generally kind and helpful, knows when to offer advice and when to shut up, etc.

So far so good.

My parents are generally messed-up, selfish, angry, petulant and vicious. My mother can read social cues enough to know how to put on a "nice" social manner when required - terribly polite, fulfilling all the requirements of a perfect 1950s hostess, but full of barbed, bitchy comments and attempts at triangulation. Her level of social insight is not particularly high. My father is frankly just boorish, arrogant and rude. He can read social cues fine when he wants, but is almost always too selfish to give a shit about them.
They have made it clear over the years that my mother never wanted me, they both hated the experience of having a second child, and that that was my fault because I am an embarrassment to them because I'm "weird" and "retarded", "have no taste", "can't run my life like a normal person", etc. They think "people like me" shouldn't be allowed to have children, and should have them taken away. My mother's evident PND and inability to ever bond with me is all apparently my fault.

Since I announced I was pregnant a few weeks ago, they have only said congratulations once, gracelessly, when in the company of other people - and the three attempts I've made to discuss things like visits with them have been met with very rude "we'll do what we want, when we want, and you aren't going to tell us what to do, and we're not going to discuss it with you, you're incompetent and embarrassing" responses.

Well, OK, they're not going to be involved grandparents...

However, i know my mother well enough that as soon as she realises that MIL is going to be over here providing support, all hell is going to break loose about why mother was not invited instead, and why we say "no thanks, we do not need you to come and stay". My mother has talked to PIL and played the interaction well enough that PIL currently think the only issue is my father being boorish about it all. PIL do not understand just how bad the relationship is with my parents, and aren't going to respond well if we tell them (PIL are big on mutual respect and politeness - generally great- but that extends to being unable to cope with people who have poor relationships with parents).

How on earth do we deal with all this, in a way that minimizes the stress and maximizes the benefits of good relationships with nice people?

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Yoksha · 25/09/2016 10:29

My advice to you OP. Cease all communications. Leave it until they contact you. If they kick-off, just tell them you tried, but realised you were flogging the proverbial dead horse.

Please don't fill this pregnancy with angst. Wrap yourself in an imaginary emotional cocoon. I'm not suggesting detaching from reality. You've got a sound set of in-laws & a supportive Dh. Hang onto this. As for your parents.....well, if mine had said what they've said to you? That information in your OP was terrible. I survived abusive parents, & their dynamics were sh*t, but never did mine blame me for being born. Seriously, I'd have to call them out on this alone.

All the best OP. You'll look back on this in say 40yrs, and ask yourself WTAF was all that about.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 25/09/2016 10:44

parents,

re your comment:-
"DH is visiting their hometown this week - we have asked several times if it would be convenient for him to call by my parents' house and pick up a few bits and pieces of mine that are stored in their roof - they refuse to answer".

Do you really need such things? Are they really necessary to collect. I would leave them in there, you will probably not get them back at all undamaged in any case. Some toxic people do hang onto their adult children's stuff precisely because they know the adult child wants it. People like your parents use those things to garner further power and control.

You need to be more vague when it comes to discussing with them your relationship with your parents. Some people, particularly those who come from emotionally healthy families themselves, cannot readily accept or comprehend that there are people out there like your parents who really do act like this. What are they also talking to your parents about?. It would be of more benefit all round if your ILs stopped keeping up their end of the pretence. They are really your parents "flying monkeys".

I would keep your child as well as yourselves well away from your parents in any event. They were not good parents to you (understatement) and they are not going to be decent grandparent type figures to your child either.

Yoksha · 25/09/2016 11:32

My Mil just didn't understand what I went through with my parents. She didn't get on with them, but used to look at me oddly when it kicked-off, & my enabled mother yanked my chain behind the scene. The result was I always looked like the emotionally lacking one in the dynamcs. This helped to emasculate me. They're all dead now.

I've since found out from my 2 adult Dd's that my mil actually voiced her true concerns and thought about their maternal grandmother. She thought she was a vile abusive, manipulative mother, and didn't dare voice her opinions to me because she didn't want to make a bad situation worse. Even my Dh to this day can't get his head around some of the more minor happenings I reveal. If he only knew the dark rumblings I keep secret.

Fishface77 · 25/09/2016 16:48

Do you really need what's stored? If yes then he needs to turn up and wait till he gets whatever it is.
You can't manage your in laws relationship with your parents, only your own. Tell your in laws (or get DH to tell them) how the land lies.
Send a text to your parents saying as you refuse to discuss arrangements with regard to visiting baby, we will tell you when baby is born and we are up to visitors. Do not turn up unexpectedly as you will not be allowed in.

They sound dreadful op and you sound remarkably well balanced. Don't let this spoil things for you. What have you got to lose? Awful parents?
And if they repeat that shit about you being embarrassing etc tell them your (fictitious) counsellor said its a result of their poor parenting and if they feel like that about you they need never darken your doorstep.
Flowers and good luck! Let us know how you get on.

parentsvsPIL · 25/09/2016 20:03

Thanks everyone. No, sadly I don't really need what's stored - it's just some toys of mine and DH's that we thought it would be nice to furnish our DS's room with, so he can have some things passed down from us.

I already communicate almost nothing with my parents. DS won't see them much at all - once a year at most. And we are surrounded by lovely people where we are - who have all shown that they care about DS and are looking forward to meeting him.

Yoshka, you've described neatly what it's like - for a long time, I think the PIL have thought that the problem is me rather than my parents. They're seeing some of the parental stuff now, particularly how boorish and graceless my father can be, though they still seem taken in by my mother's social graces.

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