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"Love yourself" what does it mean?

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PonchosLament · 18/07/2016 23:17

I've been here a while and often post about how desperately crap and lonely I feel when I'm feeling, well, desperately crap and lonely!

I didn't have a great upbringing and have had the associated and obligatory shit relationship experiences as a result.

I'm currently single, have been for a year, and with a view to remaining that way until I can trust myself to, er, trust myself, my judgement and anyone I enter into a relationship with, should that ever happen again.

The one thing I keep being told on here and IRL is that I need to love myself first. I get this. But, if I'm perfectly honest with you, I don't know what it means!

I have tried to do things to improve my self esteem and stuff (which I'm guessing is linked to it!), but it's not really having any lasting impact.

It's not even really about meeting someone else or having a relationship, at this stage, it's just about being able to live with myself on a daily basis.

Thanks.

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Ic3lollyr3d · 20/07/2016 08:56

I think it is about being happy and content with yourself

I think it is about enjoying time on your own or with others

I think it is about liking your own body and mind

I think it is about setting yourself short, medium and long term goals and achieving them

I think it is about enjoying the small things like; weather, food, music, people, animals, health, laughter

I think it is about doing the things that you enjoy

I think it is about helping others (can be in big or small ways)

I think it is about confidence, empathy, enthusiasm

Look after yourself first and you will be able to help others

I am a big fan of making lists and getting things done !

PonchosLament · 20/07/2016 09:39

Thank you Ic3lollyr3d!

I think that's kind of the response I needed I think; almost a checklist (I also love a good list!) And some of it is what I thought it would be. If you don't mind, I'm going respond to these point by point, because this is where I find my problem lies...

I think it is about being happy and content with yourself This is the biggest stumbling block. I am happy/content with myself in some respects, but I think it's on a very fundamental level that I'm not and I don't know how to change that. I fundamentally don't feel as good as other people. I can see that others don't judge people on that basis, but I do judge myself.

I think it is about enjoying time on your own or with others I see my friends for an evening a week and then occasionally at other points in between, but we don't really have much contact. I am happy to bumble around at home on my own, or to go to festivals/dinner/anywhere on my own. I do feel alone and get lonely at times and and some times that's worse than others. But if I take an average across the last couple of years, I think I have a pretty good balance with ebbs and flows.

I think it is about liking your own body and mind I don't mind my own body, but I was brought up being told it wasn't good enough so I feel very much that I don't mind it and, at times, even like it, but that no one else does, or will do. So I was told about the ankles/feet thing, but my waist was too small for similar reasons; my neck was too long; my wrists too skinny; my legs too fat; my hips too big; my boobs too small; my face not pretty... You get the idea. As for my mind, I don't really know. I don't have mean or spiteful thoughts about people, I'm intelligent. I tire easily. I am currently in the assessment process for ASC but I'm ok with that too. I worry about people liking me, or the reasons for them not liking me.

I think it is about setting yourself short, medium and long term goals and achieving them Yes, I do this. I don't make New Year Resolutions, I make SMART targets because that's how I get things done. Moneywise, there isn't a lot spare and my exh is turning out to be a bit of a dick. Which isn't helping. But there's not a lot I can do about that.

I think it is about enjoying the small things like; weather, food, music, people, animals, health, laughter see I do love these things. I enjoy the small things all the time. It's the small things that give me the greatest pleasure - I quite often go through the day with an absolute buzz of excitement. Not about anything big, but just because the sun was out when I woke up or the neighbours cat came to say hello as I left the house. I'm quite 'simplistic' in some of my expectations. I've never aspired to wealth or material possessions. A cup of tea in the garden at dawn is enough to make me skip through the day!

I think it is about doing the things that you enjoy I do do things that I enjoy. I do very little that I don't. I only have people in my life who are positive and we only do good things together. I don't have any family so I'm not required to do things out of obligation. I've had the opportunity to do some very lovely things over the past couple of years; I was asked to sing at some friends' wedding, I've helped set up a charity, voluntary work with young people. That sort of thing. I walk around barefoot at work because I like to feel the different textures underfoot

I think it is about helping others (can be in big or small ways) Yep. I help other people where I can. I've done a fair bit of voluntary work as an adult from committees and governing bodies, to mentoring out of work young people, to just offering to do things for other people where I can. I find it frustrating at the moment because I don't feel I'm often in a position to help others as much as I feel naturally inclined to and I find that I'm asking help of others more than I'm able to offer it myself. But that's just a temporary thing

I think it is about confidence, empathy, enthusiasm I am often overly empathetic and I find it quite hard to listen to other people's hardships; I'm very enthusiastic about things and am far more inclined to say, "yes, I'll give it a go" rather than, "ooh no, that's not for me". I appear to have confidence, I think other people think I'm quite confident, but it doesn't run very deeply. It's one of the reasons I work on fixed term temporary contracts rather than permanent ones. I like to know I have an end point before people realise that I'm really actually quite crap :(

Look after yourself first and you will be able to help others I think I do this

I am a big fan of making lists and getting things done ! I have a book of lists. If I have a day off, or things to do, I always make a list and work through it. I find it difficult to organise myself otherwise

Hm, looking at that, it really is clear that it's just how I regard myself on a fundamental level that is the problem. I'm not sure that there is anything I could do to improve things. I go through life under a veil of shame and guilt. Shame for what I am, guilt for not being better/more. And I'm surrounded by people who do so much more than me.

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Thefitfatty · 20/07/2016 09:52

For me, "loving myself" is shutting up the critical, negative, abusive voice in my head that tells me I'm worthless.

Like someone said " Would you call someone else names or emotionally abuse them? Then don't allow someone to do it to you."

Don't allow yourself to do it to yourself either!

It's really hard to shut that voice up, and I have good days and bad days, but it's worth it.

PonchosLament · 20/07/2016 10:01

I find that difficult though, Thefitfatty.

Firstly, because I don't know how to do it! And secondly, because I actually think it's right.

It's why I have an problem with the idea of going to therapy, or cbt as has been suggested irl a couple of times. It means I have to essentially start believing that up is down. These aren't beliefs that emerged after a difficult relationship in my 30s and I'm aware that there was a point when I didn't feel like that, this is all I have ever known. I've got to abandon everything I know and start from scratch. And I don't know how to do it.

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Thefitfatty · 20/07/2016 10:04

I find it extremely difficult as well. It is not an overnight change. Counseling may be a start for you, so you certainly should pursue it. Another thing is when the negative thoughts start, think loudly in your head "Shut up! I'm Awesome" and continue from there. That's what I've started doing. :P

junebirthdaygirl · 20/07/2016 12:02

It's about loving yourself for just being. Nothing you do or don't do. Its nearly about parenting yourself as your dm didn't do that. I don't live my kids because of anything they do, look like achieve,. I just love them. What happens has nothing to do with it. I used to have a running joke with my ds when he was younger that nothing would change that love and he would come up with mad suggestions. But believe me he tested me later. Nothing except pure love kept me hanging in there. Until he came through.
It's the same for yourself. You wouldnt criticise me because lm sitting around all day reading on mumsnet. Don't criticise yourself for dawdling around. Its having that undeserved love for yourself.

I think CBT would help. Don't try to think out how, just trust the process.
I'm sorry your dm criticised you so much. You did not deserve it.

YouOKHun · 20/07/2016 12:29

Better than CBT in this instance would be REBT (Rational Emotive Behaviour Therapy). This therapy is really the original CBT and is less behaviour focused and more focused on a person's core beliefs about themselves, others and the world around them. It also has the unique focus on universal self acceptance. It's basis is about rationality not 'positivity' which is also helpful! OP, I completely agree with you regarding the self help genre. Many books I have read, often at the suggestion of clients, are too much about the egos of the writers or based in 'think positive and good will come to you' which we all know is a big fat lie! It also says to the reader that if it doesn't work the fault lies with them - not a message that is helpful if one is already struggling. If you want to follow up on this therapy have a look at www.cbtregisteruk.com which lists properly trained and accredited therapists - the ones listed as AREBT are the ones qualified in REBT as distinct from CBT. You can be referred to IAPT (NHS talking therapists) by your GP which won't cost but there aren't many REBT therapists working in IAPT (though I do). Good luck OP!

PonchosLament · 20/07/2016 16:00

Thefitfatty I get what your saying, I suppose the difficulty with that is that I I don't believe I am awesome. Currently, I don't believe I am tolerable so I couldn't say that. It would be meaningless. I have so far to go to get to zero and even think about myself neutrally before I can even begin to think about myself positively. That's the bottom line. Sadly.

junebirthdaygirl That's a very good way of looking at it; parenting myself. I know exactly what you're saying. I love my children just because they are. They don't need to do anything.

YouOKHun Thanks. I've never heard of REBT. I'll definitely look into that and take it from there. Thanks.

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maggiethemagpie · 20/07/2016 21:28

I didn't use to love myself, but I started to love myself when I started to accept that I wasn't a bad person because bad things/childhood had happened to me, I was just unlucky. I didn't do this on my own, I did it in therapy as I was too fucked up to sort myself out by myself, and I had a therapeutic breakthrough which was lovely and special and my life's been infinitely better ever since.

I'm not sure that you can make yourself love yourself, just as you can't make yourself love someone else... but therapy definitely worked for me and may be an option for you to consider. Even if you have to pay, the cost is well worth it IMHO.

maggiethemagpie · 20/07/2016 21:29

Oh and the therapy I had is called CAT (cognitive analytical therapy) check out www.acat.me.uk/page/home

noego · 04/11/2016 17:59

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user1471545174 · 05/11/2016 22:30

Liking yourself is easier to cultivate as loving yourself also has negative connotations! Treat yourself as you would a dear, good friend then it all becomes easier to understand and easier to navigate life, as you don't waste your energy beating yourself up.
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