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Low contact with parents

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Wishimaywishimight · 22/06/2016 10:57

I am very low contact with my narcissistic mother and enabling (also narcissistic?) father. By LC I mean that I have very little phone contact with them - they rarely phoned me anyway so now they never do. I phone on Christmas Day and maybe once or twice throughout the year. I don't have them in my house and don't visit theirs. I do send birthday cards, Mother's & Father's Day cards etc and text occasionally. Every 7/8 weeks or so I arrange (by text) dinner with them. Always in neutral territory (restaurant) and always with my DH present. I won't go into the back story except to say that I found the Stately Homes thread full of familiar stories. I finally went LC 5 years ago when I was at the point of needing counselling to deal with my anxiety around them and I physically shuddered when in physical proximity to my mother as a result of a lifetime of criticism, judgement, being told how I'd upset them, let them down, numerous occasions of being sat down and lectured for all of my faults and failings as a daughter etc etc ad nauseum.

Anyways, when I text mother to suggest dinner she normally leaves a number of hours before responding (despite the fact that when I am in her company she looks at her phone regularly). Each time she leaves it a little longer. This time, it has been over 24 hours. I know there is nothing wrong as I am in regular contact with my sis (who does not support me at all in LC but would let me know if they were ill etc). I'm fairly certain they are not abroad as they were last month and even if they were mother has the same phone as me which works abroad). I just get tired of these games. Even though I am very much distant from it now it brings back to me the anxiety I felt whenever I had to phone them or see them in the past, this has never entirely left me but obviously it's only an occasional issue now.

Not really asking anything other than seeking other's experiences of this I suppose. Presumably it's all about control but, really, what is the point at this stage? It's not going to bring me to heel (in the past the silent treatment used to be guaranteed to get me on the phone to them practically begging to know what was wrong). Btw, when I went LC I wrote them a letter telling them what I was doing and why, they never took responsibility for anything I wrote- I just got the usual responses when we eventually discussed the letter: "things weren't that bad", "I don't remember saying that", "your father would never say that", "you hear things that aren't there", "you were always too good with words", "you always have to have the last word" etc etc etc. Grrrr, getting myself worked up now...

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 22/06/2016 17:16

"neither of them have any friends, they socialise with family only".

Thought as much, such people really do have no friends and for good reason as well. My late FIL had no friends either; in life he was a narcissist as well.

I feel quite cross on your behalf. Would inform your mother now that she can pay for your meal on Sunday and see what she does with that piece of information. Why should you keep on paying to feed them, the abusive mean blighters!. If there are 5 of you then the bill should have been split 3/5ths and 2/5ths. I guess you feel and felt obligated to do that, again its all part of their overall conditioning of you and your sister.

Fair enough re counselling now but I would recommend you look into it again at some point in the future. You're still giving them all way too much time and headspace.

GreenHen · 22/06/2016 17:52

I'm not surprised about them not paying their share of the meals. We learnt to do the same thing (bring cash and put down our share + tip) when we (used to) go out with the ILs and their golden child. It was cat's bum face the first time we did it - from all of them - we weren't even the ones who suggested going out!

Makes sense about keeping the ball in your court regarding the next meal - your idea of leaving it longer sounds good (especially if you are paying!).

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 22/06/2016 21:01

Ah yes you want to stay in contact with those nice people you have fun with at family gatherings.

They are utter bastards. They'd smile and laugh with you. Act like they care for you. But one sharp look from her and they throw you under the bus. Every. Single. Time.

It is hard to admit to yourself that the people who were "nice" to you amidst the pain, who you felt such pity for, who you wanted to help so so much, are actually every bit as bad as the narc. Worse. They pretend to care. They trick you into staying trapped in the narcs web so she feeds off you instead of them.

I found that the hardest thing to accept coming out of the FOG. It took me a long time to accept. My mind fought he truth. It invalidated so much of my past. I was incredibly well conditioned to pity PoorLongSufferingPerson.

It was gloriously freeing when I did accept that the enablers were awful and deserved my ire not my pity.

The nice people in the family are the ones who will stand up to her. The ones who are probably NC, probably never talked about or only in terms of how evil and selfish they are (or perhaps how their partner has turned them against the family). I have managed to make contact with the other deliberate exiles, we were all wary at first but now we are friends.

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