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Toxic friends now causing a rift between DH and I

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Mabinogion · 19/06/2016 12:55

This is my first post so please excuse any etiquette faux pas!
I really don't know what to do as I think my marriage is in trouble.
We've just come back from a holiday abroad with our friends, a married couple, I'll call them Jill and Pete. DH and I have a 2 year old and I'm pregnant, second trimester. It was a lovely time for DD and my DH certainly had a good time (he slept a lot, never put DD to bed or bathed her, mentally checked out) but I felt like Jill and Pete treated me terribly, so much so by day 4 of 10 I was in tears when on my own, struggling to do everything, felt so stressed, I couldn't wait to go home, I ended up calling my mother in desperation and checking the cost of flights back home.
Our 'friends' are DH's friends before we met, they've known each other 18 years now, when they worked together. When my DH and I met, it was clear that I was to get on with them if I was to get on with him, as he was clear that they were very important to him. The first time I met Jill and Pete, Jill criticised my cooking, and interrogated me all evening, with her friend, about my ex boyfriend (amongst other things) who worked with DH which is how DH and I met, this ex-boyfriend cheated on me so I ended it, naturally. This upset me at the time, I didn't tell DH. Jill explained it later to me that my DH had 'strange' girlfriends in the past and they wanted to vet me, protecting him.
Now, Jill and Pete are the sort of people who are very domineering and strong characters, both of them in different ways. They always attack first to establish dominance, calling it 'banter', mocking and then pretending it's all a big joke. Very Alpha male and female. My husband is definitely a Beta male, agrees with everything they say and do, a lot goes over his head. Over the years they have both upset me, I've put it down to me not being used to 'banter' and blunt observations all the time. We have a lot of difference of opinion, they are quite racist, they ram their beliefs down people's throats, don't get me started on immigrants and Brexit!
Pete has argued and attacked me verbally so much over one period of time, I said to my DH that I couldn't be around Pete anymore, but DH made excuses that Pete was going through difficult times, which was true, so I swallowed a lot over the years.
We've holidayed a few times with the couple, they always had their way, had the bigger, best room etc, this was before DH and I had children.
Jill took over organising my hen party, my mother declined to go. They invited themselves to our wedding abroad, we were happy at the time with this, but our parents weren't thrilled wanting just a family affair. The wedding has a lot of sad memories for me involving conflict between my mother, and Jill and DH's mother and Jill. I didn't listen to my mother at the time and believed Jill's story. It took a long time to rebuild with my mother after that. My mother told me recently that a woman who tries to come between a mother and daughter tells me all I need to know about that woman, she was right.
Jill and Pete are 15 years older than me, and my DH is 9 years older than me, this has always made no difference to me but Jill and Pete have had children (close in age to me) and now have grandchildren. On our recent trip Jill was critical of our parenting, comparing our DD to her youngest grandson, and controlling in every sense. I did my bit staying in a cramped apartment, cooked and cleaned, but whatever I did seemed to be not good enough, 10 minutes in the bath was too long she was knocking on the door! She even tried to instruct a waiter to not clear away my DS's dinner, when I know my DS had long finished so I asked the waiter to clear it thank you very much! Loads of things like this happened all day every day. My DH stopped me from defending myself several times, he never defended me, and the sun shines out of his backside of course. Maybe it's because I argue back.
I tried to talk to DH about it, but he shut me out. He realised I was in tears (trying to hide it) whilst walking to a waterpark, and said to me 'are you being emotional again', he was quite caring but I really did not know how or what to say as he previously did not want to hear it.
Admittedly I'm more preg hormonal than normal, quicker to get irritated etc, but I am a calm rational person normally. I can't help but feeling that finally I see things clearly, see them in their true light, and feel like a fool. I'm not the only one who feels this way about them, as other friends have fallen out with them.
It's resulted in DH and I getting home, me exploding with rage at DH who was baiting me to 'spit it out', I told him everything, I was furious, very vitriolic against them. I don't recall ever being like this with him before, we bicker and I can get cross but this was another level. I feel regretful of this, I still need to apologise, but that's how I felt having suppressed this for so long I think. My other true friends would not treat me like this.
When we calmed down we had a heated discussion, telling home truths. He's now telling me he's not happy in our house, living where we are, I'd be happy to move I said I'll go wherever he wants to go, but his job is good where he is and won't be able to get anything as good elsewhere. He said I reminded him of my mother when I was full of hatred, he can't understand where it came from, and if he saw more of it he wouldn't stick around.
I told him that I needed more help from him with DS. He takes off for an hour or two doing man stuff, I never do that. He farts around in the garage avoiding DS a lot. He never puts he to bed or bathes her, his excuse is that DS is clingy with me so lets not to upset her I should do it. I've always been happy being a mum, I relish it, but my pregnancy has made me tired and ill at times. My DH has DS Mon-Wed 9-5 when I'm at work, so I come home, and I'm on mummy duty. He works 4 hours a day Thur-Sun, so when he comes home he goes off and does other things, I'm with DS the whole time. My MIL comes down to help out on occasion, but I still do the lion's share with DS, as my MIL also does not want to upset my DS, I've had to insist during the first trimester with awful MS, and also to put my foot down with DS so she isn't spoilt!
My DH can do no wrong with Jill and my MIL! He can be quite manipulative and stubborn, also miserable at times. Yet he claims I have been moody for 6 months to a year when I come home from work- completely untrue.
All of this came out in the wash yesterday. My parents are moving house to be closer to us in the next few months, from being 7 hours drive away. My DH is not happy about this, as my mum cannot stand Jill.

Basically, can I avoid these toxic people? How without causing an argument with DH? Should I carry on compromising and be fake? I can't forgive my DH for some of the things he has been saying but then I said hurtful things too.
Please help sorry this is long :-(

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Dozer · 19/06/2016 15:28

And you ahould NOT apologise for the rant about the arseholes. Your H should be the one apologising.

As for him responding to your understandable anger by comparing you to your mother (in a way that was horrible about you both) and threatening to leave you if there was "any more of it" Shock

Why oh why do you say you'd be willing to move wherever he chooses? What about YOUR needs and preferences?

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DioneTheDiabolist · 19/06/2016 15:36

Tell your DH that Jill and Pete are not your friends and you will no longer be spending any time with them. That's it OP. You never need to speak to them again.

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Mabinogion · 19/06/2016 15:51

Thank you for your replies!
In response to questions: he's self employed and works for a leisure company, good money, short hours, has an army pension too.
No he's not sexually attracted to Jill! DH's mother and my dad have remarked on the hero worship he gives Jill and Pete, and they are not people to comment on things like this really. I think my DH is scared of them, I just don't know. He genuinely treasures their friendship and believes that they do a lot for him when in reality I know they are takers and users and expect a lot more in return.
I think he was just saying anything in anger, about moving away I don't think he really meant it- maybe he is nervous about my folks coming as they are to stay at our house for a few months while they look for a new house! I might add that we extended this courtesy to Jill and Pete and his MIL for a few months each also in the past- so it is tough! He can't expect to have everything his own way all the time, it is my house too.
I forgot to add that my rage also stems from the time when Pete wouldn't return a few of my daughters toys back to her and scared her by pretending to growl at her loudly- her bottom lip was going, about to cry- I was going to blow my top at him but my DH stopped me. Also Jill criticised my DD a few times in comparison to her youngest grandson- they both crossed the line well and truly in respect to my daughter.
Which leads me to stating to my DH that I want nothing more to do with them after this and previous events, this will extend to our children whether he likes it or not.
He's come back from work today realising a few things as we've been stalemate for a few days now, I nearly took off to my mothers, taking DD with me and wanted to call in sick with work. He says we won't agree on Jill and Pete, but we can work on our issues. He realises he can do more with DD, he acknowledges that it was an easy selfish route for him. He says he IS happy here in our home (????) and is happy overall.
I've just been firm and reiterated that I am not going to see Jill and Pete ever again- he doesn't like it I can tell but that's tough.
Thanks so much for everything, I've loved all your comments 👍🏼 xx

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trafalgargal · 19/06/2016 16:05

So the next time seeing them comes up -as it will. Smile brightly "Oh the kids and I have plans but you should still go" (You're on a winner because you know THEY will never change plans to fit in with you)..

If they ring "Just in the middle of something -I'll call you back" (if OH isn't there ........or if he is "Hold on " and shove the phone at him.

They are HIS friends -you don't need to get angry or upset or argue....just let him handle all the interaction, let him explain you are too busy to spend time with them etc etc. They aren't anything to do with you and your life- You'd never stop OH from seeing them if he wants to but you and they are at such different stages in your lives that there is no common ground.

Are they old forces friends by any chance ?

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iminshock · 19/06/2016 16:09

You've been too kind for too long ! Avoid these horrid people from now on

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trafalgargal · 19/06/2016 16:11

(My Mum managed to use this to avoid spending any time with her very toxic SIL for decades. There were never any rows because she'd just smile and say it was such a shame but she already had plans -she never let it get to a confrontational "I don't want to see her" thus avoiding my Dad feeling he had "to choose" between his wife and his domineering older sister and he'd visit without her. )

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Hellochicken · 19/06/2016 16:38

Thats a great update. Avoid Pete and Jill. No need to come across them again. Of course never holiday with them again. If he wants to see them himself then that is fine. I'd make excuses and if they ask directly why you are never free I'd say "we are just at different stages in life" like pp said or "focussing on the children at the moment"

Personally I would ask him not to confide in them about your relationship/ disagreements etc.
Maybe I sound controlling but I would find it difficult if DH and they were discussing me. Especially with the type of relationship they have/influence they have. I dont speak to many people though if DH and I have a disagreement (rarely and only maybe 2 friends I would talk it through with if needed)

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228agreenend · 19/06/2016 16:45

Well done op. Not seeing Pete and Jill sounds like a great result.

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Footle · 19/06/2016 16:47

ImperialBlether, I was going to say Rosemary's Baby too, but decided it was rather an unfortunate comparison !
OP, you don't think he's been reading this thread and is going to try another tack, do you ?

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prettywhiteguitar · 19/06/2016 16:53

Well done you !! Stick up for yourself, they've proved they are not your friends so just avoid them like the plague ;)

As for dh that's another thread !

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amarmai · 19/06/2016 17:12

To protect you, your dd and your baby, stay away from these bullies. NOt sure if that shd include your h , as he permits it.

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EttaJ · 19/06/2016 17:34

All sounds absolutely terrible and I would tell them all where to go but I can't help to notice you start with a 2 year old DD but then the child becomes DS for the rest of the post? Am I missing something?

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RiceCrispieTreats · 19/06/2016 17:34

Well done, OP. You can be proud that you stood up for yourself.

I suspect that this won't be the end of it, though. Since he hasn't yet had a lightbulb moment about Jill and Pete, his need to be their pawn is going to rear its head again and again in your relationship. I hope that you are strong enough to keep standing your ground.

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AnyFucker · 19/06/2016 17:38

Never mind Jill and Pete, your husband is a first class prick

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expatinscotland · 19/06/2016 17:49

You know the old saying 'You're known by the company you keep?' Well, his continued friendship with Jill and Pete says a lot about him.

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Summerlovinf · 19/06/2016 17:49

It's all very dramatic isn't it? Why do you care so much about what these people think, say and do? Think it's time to tell your DH to grow the fuck up and for you to do the same. Your rage stems from when Pete pretended to growl at your daughter...really? Just ignore them and move on. If you DH want to see them in his own time that's up to him. He does sound like a bit of an idiot too...I couldn't be bothered reading all this crap let alone living it.

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AyeAmarok · 19/06/2016 18:15

Does he have any other friends?

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Gide · 19/06/2016 18:51

Your DH sounds like a dick, sorry.

Next holiday, you choose where to go with just your DH and DC, not the freak couple who believe they're in charge of you and think you care about what they say. They're idiots!

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Footle · 19/06/2016 19:29

EttaJ, it has happened before that a poster has done this, and it turns out they were trying to conceal the sex of their child so as not yo out themselves, but kept forgetting.

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AnyFucker · 19/06/2016 19:31

I sometimes change small details to throw off weirdos who like to stalk regular posters

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BolshierAryaStark · 19/06/2016 19:41

Tbh I'd have been long gone when he made it clear you had to like them to get him, fuckwit.
Your husband is the problem & by the sounds of it isn't going to change, where does that leave you?

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EttaJ · 19/06/2016 21:36

Ah now I see thank you Footle, Anyfucker.

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AnyFucker · 19/06/2016 21:39

Or, it could all be bullshit, Etta

You pays your money, you makes your choice....

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Mabinogion · 19/06/2016 22:31

Trafalgargal- excellent advice, I was thinking of how to swerve things and your mother's tricks are perfect Grin yes forces buddies, strong bonds I feel.
Footle- no I don't think he'd know the first thing about these threads, I haven't left any tracks.
Etta J- typos on the DD/DS.
Summerlovinf- nice
AyeAmarok- yes he does, I do encourage him to see them, and call them, arrange to meet etc but he doesn't want to really, I think he needs to spread his wings.
AnyFucker- I wish it was all bullshit, I would have saved myself a wasted past two weeks of shite.
I can't remember- I've talked about this at length with my lovely mum, and best mates who are supportive.

Thanks again all it has helped massively xx

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AnyFucker · 19/06/2016 22:37

I wasn't accusing you of anything OP, just speaking generally

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