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Feeling very confused

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user1464906672 · 06/06/2016 16:33

I need to tell someone about this as my head is reeling. I'm a lone parent to dd,her dad left not long after I got pregnant and hasn't been seen since. I've had a few short relationships since but nothing serious. 4 weeks ago I went on a date with a guy I met OLD-we'd had a nice chat but I didn't expect much as its all been a disaster previously.It was amazing.Instant chemistry,felt completely at ease from the get go,talked nonstop and by the end had told each other absolutely everything about ourselves and when we kissed at the end of the night it was just lovely. He was very open about having separated from his wife a year ago after a very short, unhappy marriage,as I was about dd and how she comes before anyone else,always. It was just easy,easy,easy. We talked next day and agreed we both felt there was something there and that we'd see each other exclusively from then on.A week later he announces that he's been offered his dream job in another country (think very big industry in sunny part of the world) and would be leaving in 2 months. Gutted. We decided to keep seeing each other til he left and it could be one of those short amazing flings that we'd remember for the rest of our lives.The last few weeks have been some of the happiest of my life and he's said the same. I introduced him to DD (as my friend) and they get on like a house on fire. Last week he asked if I would consider moving with dd to be with him when he goes.He feels we have a once in a lifetime connection and should give it a chance but understands that because of dd and the upheaval we'd have to take it slow but he'll do whatever and take as long as I need. He's willing to financially support us and will basically move heaven and earth to have us with him. And God help me but I've started daydreaming about it-it's a place I've always wanted to live and would be a brilliant place for dd to grow up.I can honestly say I've never met anyone who makes me feel like this before and when I think of the three of us being a little family unit it makes me ridiculously happy. Then (yes, there's a then!) over the weekend we met for dinner and he was not his usual self-very out of sorts. He said he'd told a friend about us and asking me to move out there and 'she went fucking mental and started ranting and raving' and had really upset him. He said she wasn't a close friend,just someone he'd dated briefly but nothing had ever happened because he wasn't attracted to her and they'd only kept in touch because she was lonely and he felt sorry for her but really regretted that now as she was clearly bitter and he was now cutting all contact with her. He came round for tea with dd yesterday and was still upset as this woman was hounding him and he is feeling very harrassed but isn't going to respond as she is just trying to get his attention. After tea he set his tablet up for DD to watch some cartoons on Netflix and we chatted through the logistics of moving and I said that I'd be happy to come out in the summer for a few weeks to get a feel for things and we can take it from there. He was thrilled. This morning he called to say he left his tablet behind. Found it in the living room. It wasn't locked.You can guess the rest. There is a messaging app he doesn't use with me and a thread with a woman who I assume is the friend that goes back to at least last September and has over 1,000 messages in it between them,virtually every day bar the last couple of weeks. Presumably because he's been busy with me. The last few are from her to him with no reply. She is accusing him of using dd and I to stop him from feeling lonely when he moves and telling him if he really believes that asking 'someone you've known less time than the food in your fridge' (ouch) to go with him is normal behaviour then he clearly hasn't learned anything about 'mistaking grand gestures for feelings'.She says lots of other stuff about honesty and responsibility and being himself not who he thinks I want him to be.Her last message is saying that she accepts she crossed the line but is worried about him and 'can't stand by and say nothing but I know you don't want to hear that so I understand that our friendship is over'. He hasn't replied. I have scrolled back through the messages and I can't get my head round it. Some are very flirty and suggestive and she makes it clear that she's attracted to him. Yet in recent messages (before me) it looks like he tried to make a move on her on a night out and she knocked him back. They send each other silly jokes and pictures.Talk about their day,things they've watched on telly,books,films. There's some quite emotional stuff that seems to be about an argument they had and he goes on and on about how important she is to him as a friend and that he will do anything to protect their friendship. But he's sworn to me she's means nothing to him and he only felt sorry for her?!
I feel horrible for snooping and I know I'll have to confess but right now I don't know what to think-why is he so upset about someone who means nothing to him and why does she care where he goes and who with?

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SandyY2K · 06/06/2016 18:53

Part of me thinks she's jealous to be honest.

Flirting while single isn't a crime, but I think it's a big leap for a man you don't know very well.

One thing she said inferred that he's pretending a bit or not being himself with you ... that would concern me.

I also suggest you do a background check on this guy. You really don't know him.

Would you consider a long distance relationship while you get to know him better?

user1464906672 · 06/06/2016 19:21

We've spoken and he knows I've read the messages. He's coming round later and says he will tell me anything I want to know.

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FreeFromHarm · 06/06/2016 19:35

I would be asking myself.... why did the marriage only last 10 months.... and reading between the lines perhaps he is running from something or someone, I think ( sorry) there is something awry here x

Isetan · 06/06/2016 19:38

I hope to God that this man is just a fantasist and here's hoping he gets bored of this charade very soon because the alternative, sounds way too dangerous to even think about.

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 06/06/2016 19:44

He got married less than 2 years ago. Was separated within 10 months. According to your timeline he has been separated for nearly a year. He has been having meaningful messaging with women online going back at least ten months, bonding with at least one in a special way. Two months-ish after separating.

A good friend has warned him about confusing grand gestures with feelings and not learning lessons from the past.

You have known him 4 weeks. He has made grand gestures. Opening up fully so soon, meeting your DD so soon, offering to take you to another country, offering to fund you and your DD in that country.

Maybe you should have a chat to the soon to be ex-wife and that concerned friend. They might have pretty strong opinions on how genuine he is.

All the evidence you've given suggests that he is either full of shit or has some manic attachment type ishoos.

TheNaze73 · 06/06/2016 19:47

You must be crazy to even be considering it

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 06/06/2016 19:51

Yes, FreeFromHarm, that 10 month thing rings alarm bells for me. He sounds like someone who takes what most people would consider really serious steps - his extremely brief marriage, inviting OP to drop everything - and then steps straight back again.

OP, a big part of true, lasting love is protectiveness. If we truly love someone we want the best for them, we don't put them in harm's way. Is this man taking your life, and your DDs life and future seriously? Doesn't look like it to me. Urging you to become totally financially dependent on a stranger in a strange land makes me very uneasy about this man. Don't want to freak you out, but this immediate connection stuff makes me think of descriptions of sociopaths and how they behave. You could try this link: www.naturalnews.com/036112_sociopaths_cults_influence.html

As for your DD, 4 weeks is nowhere near long enough to "audition" for the role of her stepfather.

FreeFromHarm · 06/06/2016 20:01

I Totally agree Prawno, this threads worries me !!! big time

user1464906672 · 06/06/2016 20:02

Thanks all for the latest messages - it's shocking seeing it put down like that and has burst my bubble a little. it's just when I'm with him he makes it all sound so exciting and easy and just the right thing to do.

Prawn your link has given me chills, and not in a good way.

Not looking forward to this conversation Sad

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AcrossthePond55 · 06/06/2016 20:05

Please be aware that there is no 'safety net' for you and DD. No social housing, no health coverage nor free care. No benefits.

If this doesn't work you may find yourself homeless and penniless in the US.

Smorgasboard · 06/06/2016 20:11

Beware of people who get intense and swept away in a short space of time, as these are just the ones who change their minds, go off the boil, and leave just as quickly. He's already got married and nearly divorced in double quick time, then moved on with others since. Has he ever done long term?
Where kids are involved, you really do need someone with staying power.

jillyarmeen16 · 06/06/2016 20:20

Don't do it. I'm reading sociopath too. The instant never felt like this before connection, only 2 years after he got married?? Nah that's not right. He's testing your boundaries big time, you've told him your daughter comes first but now he sees you seriously considering doing something that really doesn't have her best interests at heart.
Google true love scam. It's about sociopaths. The description of your first date made my blood run cold as that'd exactly how it was with my ex who's a sociopath, he also left the country weeks after we met. Unfortunately with hindsight he came back.
Be very very careful op. True love scam 20 signs he's a con man sociopath. It's there in black and white.

Greenandmighty · 06/06/2016 20:26

My advice would be if he's prepared to support you financially then let him pay for you and dd to spend a few weeks' holiday out there. You can then see how you really get on together and take time to get to know each other more. I think you could regret a rash decision. If it's going to work then he can wait for you. This messaging with the other woman might need to be discussed too. Try and take a rational approach. It's easy to get carried away but you don't want to uproot yourself and dd without good reason. Good luck.

ChicRock · 06/06/2016 20:26

You don't know this man. You know nothing about him. All you know about him is whatever he's chosen to tell you, and even what he has told you versus what you've found out by snooping on his ipad doesn't add up.

You haven't met his parents, his friends? You haven't spent anywhere near enough time with him to see the real him.

He could be a complete fantasist (and most likely is), he could be a psycopath/sociopath, he could be grooming you for access to your DD - 4 weeks FFS and you've introduced her to him, what the fuck were you thinking? And now you are thinking about moving halfway across the world to become completely dependant on him, a man you've know for 4 weeks? The time you've spent together probably doesn't even add up to several days.

I hope for your DD's sake he does move, and this reaches its inevitable conclusion - i.e. it fizzles out as quickly as it started, before you drag her over to wherever it is while you follow your fanny rather than your head.

Give yourself a shake and take a real good look at yourself and try and work out why you're so desperate and gullible. If it was just you I'd say knock yourself out, see you on here again in a few months, but dragging your child along in this fantasy world is pretty stupid.

jillyarmeen16 · 06/06/2016 20:32

Also why did you look at the messages? Deep down you are having doubts about him and that is another sign that you're in a love scam with a sociopath. (They're not relationships in an real sense of the word.)
Maybe he wanted you to see. Maybe he's triangulating you and this other woman. Sociopath tactic to make him seen in demand and put you on the back foot.
What's the story with his wife? I'm guessing he loved her more than anyone before when he married her? I'd do some digging there to be honest.

LadyStarkOfWinterfell · 06/06/2016 20:38

Wow. It's terrifying how foolish you're being. You're a PARENT. Now get your head out of your arse and give it a wobble.

Patheticfallacy · 06/06/2016 20:45

Don't even consider it. You should never have introduced your child, even as a friend and you certainly shouldnt be giving up your entire life for a man you hardly know. What a dependent position you'd putting yourself in! Financially and emotionally dependent on a man you barely know.
I had a 3 month relationship with a man online a few years back. He declared he loved me more than anyone he'd ever known. I thought it was real, introduced my dc, blah blah. It was infatuation and he disappeared as quickly as he'd appeared.
No decent man would expect you or even ask you to uproot a small child's life for them.
This friend of his sounds too close too.
For comparison, with my dp of 13 months, we waited 8 months to introduce dc. We've no plans to live together for a while yet. We are equal partners, both contributing financially and emotionally and neither dependent on the other. It was slow and steady, not rushed and urgent.

Cheapthrills · 06/06/2016 20:52

I can't see what's in it for him. Why would he meet a woman and her child and then four weeks later offer to take them them abroad and finance their whole lives? It doesn't make sense. Does he want to be a stepfather? How does he know? He doesn't know you or your child either yet.

user1464906672 · 06/06/2016 20:52

Lots of food for thought, thank you.

DD's safety and happiness means more to me than anything. Yes it was stupidly early for me to introduce them but it felt right. She has never met anyone else and as far as she is concerned he is mummies friend. He has only stayed over when she's been with my mum. Part of the wanting to go is the lifestyle that she would have there. It feels like I have nothing to offer her here.

I opened the message app out of nosiness and serves me right. I am tempted to message this woman, to see what she has to say before he gets here but I doubt she'll have anything good to say.

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jillyarmeen16 · 06/06/2016 20:57

Please read true love scam. I think you will see him there. Honestly I'm scared for you I know how it feels to get scked in, they promise the world and then drop you from a massive great height and leave you wondering what the fuck just happened and then you look back and all the pieces fall into place.

jillyarmeen16 · 06/06/2016 20:58

You have a home, she has security, sounds like your family are nearby. Of you move there with a stranger, sociopath or not, and it goes tits up you and dd will be left with literally nothing.

BeamMeUpScottie · 06/06/2016 21:49

If he's really keen the relationship will continue, as he will be willing to put the hours in, and do the travel time, to maintain the connection. To get a spousal visa you need to be a spouse. Or you are sponsored by an employer but they have to justify why your job couldn't be done by an American. I think your option tourist visa, but you can't work and your tenure in country is limited.

If he is serious about this he will go to a visa agency to work out how best to manage this and what your options are.

You sound like you really want to do this. If you do make sure your exit options are clear, you have enough money to leave the country, and people know where you are.

Personally I wouldn't dream of taking my kids to live elsewhere. But why fully commit now? Go on holiday, get him to come back and see you.

Also ask yourself why you (and your daughter) are having to uproot your lives and do all the legwork to make this work. Why not him? Sounds like an incredibly imbalanced power situation from the start and it will be very challenging for you to establish yourself on an equal footing

FellOutOfBed2wice · 06/06/2016 22:52

I had a relationship with a man who was the king of grand gestures and had been in previous relationships- short lived marriage where he "saved" the woman from a really dire financial situation, an engagement previously to a woman he barely knew.... Anyway, we broke up but years later I read The Heart Shaped Bullet by Kathryn Flett which is a memoir about her short lived marriage to a man who made a lot of grand gestures and grand proclamations and in that somewhere she talks about a "type" who comes in, sweeps women off their feet, "saves" them or makes their lives suddenly "perfect" and quickly fucks off. Made me think of my ex and what you say about your boyfriend too.

user1464906672 · 07/06/2016 01:10

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at my stupidity. I messaged the friend. She had a lot to say.
His wife left him because he refused to give up drinking and using coke despite begging her to have a baby "but he'll tell you it's because she was controlling and he knew he was making a mistake on the morning of the wedding. He'll also tell you he only does it occasionally and will give it up for you. He won't".
He has been dating non stop since the split, sometimes a few at the same time, even when he was supposedly seeing one woman seriously. He told me he has been single since his separation. This woman had kids, met his family and thought they had a future together til he dumped her because he thought friend was interested.
He and friend have never been a couple because SHE has turned him down, repeatedly, but he still shares everything with her. She thinks he is having a nervous breakdown and has been pushing for him to get help for months and him telling her about us was the last straw so she lost it with him. She is devastated that he is no longer speaking to her but doesn't know what else to do.
I asked him not to come round in the end as I have too much to think about. Friend has asked me not to tell him she has spoken to me in case it makes things worse for her! What a mess.

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jillyarmeen16 · 07/06/2016 01:59

Well done asking him to stay away so you can think clearly.
Please don't let him convince you friend is lying. Good guys don't have people telling lies like that about them.
How are you feeling? Are you planning to see him again at all?

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