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Stay or leave?

37 replies

MsV93 · 04/06/2016 21:15

Hi there. I've been in a relationship with J for around 18 months. Things have been rocky for quite a while now. Basically he lives on his own, doesn't like change and finds it really hard to commit (he's 38 whether that has any relevance). We've had many arguments in the past about not spending enough time together, about him going out drinking with his mates and me just generally feeling insecure and unsettled. I would really like to settle down with someone, yet he's not even talking about us living together let alone marriage or children. He said it's all the arguments we keep having is a reason for us not to move in together - which I get up to a point but the reason we argue is usually because I feel down and insecure about him being so noncommittal, which ends up with me being hypersensitive and getting into arguments with him a lot of the time, usually with me in tears. He's not cruel or a bully and he tries to be understanding when I get upset but I know he's at the end of his tether. His main point is "I can't take all these arguments, I can't change who I am..." I've tried hard to be patient and to not get so anxious about this situation as it's only making it worse, but it just feels like all the effort being made is on my side. I love him dearly but I don't want to risk losing him altogether but I don't know what to do. The situation came to a head this morning when he caught me looking at his phone. I've never done it before and don't have serious trust issues but I just wanted a reason why he's so noncommittal i.e. maybe there is someone else? I know I was in the wrong but that's what my insecurity has led me to, I don't want to be that person so I think the best thing to do is end things. But as I said he's not a bad person and if I was patient and caring enough I could bring out the best in him. I'm just torn between trying to be patient or just cutting my losses and hoping he'll either see sense or I'll meet someone more suitable.

To give you some backstory, we first met at a party two years ago - I was head over heels, madly in love more than I'd ever been with anyone before. We started dating, everything was fine but he said he wanted to take things slowly and not have sleepovers etc. One evening we'd had a bit to drink and ended up at his place (just spent the night in bed together cuddling, things happened but not full blown sex). It must have freaked him out as he stopped getting in contact or meeting up as frequently but hadn't broken things off. I tried talking to him about it, he said he was scared of getting into anything too serious after his last relationship. Eventually I stopped texting him and started dating other people, he didn't get in touch. On a whim I texted him again about 7 weeks later and suggested meeting up. We ended up back at his again, but I assumed he wasn't looking for anything serious so I started dating someone I'd met online. Then he started texting me persistently, wanting to meet up. I eventually did a few weeks after that and he said he really liked me and that he wanted to get serious with me - that he was really sorry for blowing me out the last time but he'd freaked out and 'was in a weird place.' But assured me there wasn't anyone else involved and that he was serious about me, together with being really apologetic. Things were going well with the guy I was dating, so I wasn't sure. But then I realised my feelings for him were too strong to ignore, so I ended up breaking things off with the guy I was dating and getting into a relationship with him and for a few months was completely happy. It was only 6 or 8 months in, after the 'honeymoon' period I began to feel cold-shouldered. He tries his best to be caring and affectionate and attentive. But he's admitted it doesn't come naturally to him. He's solvent, he's trust-worthy and he's kind. There are plenty worse than him out there, I'm not sure I can face trying to date people again. But then again I can't stay in a relationship where I'm insecure and miserable. I feel utterly ashamed for looking at his phone - he was more disappointed and hurt than angry but I know this is going to create even more of a gulf between us. (FYI I didn't find much, just a few non-flirtatious messages with some female friends.)

Why are relationships so hard? You just want someone to take the pain away, but the one person who's meant to is causing it all. I don't want to burden my friends with this and my mum suffers with her nerves so can't confide in her. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you

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BigPurpleCake · 04/06/2016 22:01

You sound nice to me. I'm sorry you're going through this. I was going through a very similar thing at 31 (I'm now 36) and called it off as I didn't feel my boyfriend was sufficiently into me. He was nice, etc., but I could tell his heart wasn't in it. I then met my now husband, who is truly the love of my life. I'm in London. Trust me, I get the world weariness! I dated for over a decade and was exhausted of the whole thing. But I am so so so so so so so so so sooooooooo glad I moved on and am now with a wonderful husband who loves me to bits.

incywincyspidergirl · 04/06/2016 22:02

Hereshecomes.....

He just wouldn't do enough, although he insisted to me that it was enough. He was really hurt that I thought his efforts weren't good enough. But... His efforts weren't good enough.

I am here ^ right now.

BigPurpleCake · 04/06/2016 22:03

Oh, and my ex boyfriend who 'wasn't ready to commit' etc, met and married someone else in record time! So I think it was actually about me. By then I didn't give a crap as I was in a great relationship myself. It's just one of those things.

Alpies · 04/06/2016 22:05

I always think it's nice to write 2 notes. One to get it all off your chest which u then keep in ur drawer but do not send.

Then write the note to him which is simpler and to the point and not so emotional.

Is it worth u seeing him? How did u guys leave it?

Listen I'm sorry if I sounded harsh in my previous post. I wish someone had told me the same thing before as I've wasted a lot of time in 'relationships' that just wasn't worth my time. You dont really love him. Ur in love with the idea of an ideal him. Love yourself and do urself a favour. Check out and explore the world and be open to the idea meeting someone who can have a true adult relationship with. A man who can offer u commitment and kids. A man who respects u as a woman not just his Friday night shag. True love is not about dating and having drinks. True love is someone who will stand by you no matter what.

Big hug, been there it sucks! Be strong! Put yourself first x

MsV93 · 04/06/2016 22:05

@incywincyspidergirl Thanks, good advice. Feeling ok to be honest. I just thought I would be strong enough to put my insecurities aside and make him feel happy enough to want to commit. I'm not trying to change anyone. Best of luck with your situation. Really appreciate everyone on here taking the time to respond.

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OnceMoreIntoTheBleach · 04/06/2016 22:10

I'm in a similar situation to OP, here and incy

Been with Dp 2 years and lots of arguments. It feels like if we could just get straight on a few things we'd be perfect, but he's not willing to bend. I love him and he's got lots of amazing qualities that lots of men lack. Says he loves me, wants to move in together (on his terms though) but thinks it's fine to shove me down the list of priorities whenever his mates or his DM call on him.

I've got to decide if I'm happy with taking the rough with the smooth or not.

But OP, I'm in the next decade to you! Don't lose hope yet, you sound lovely Flowers

MsV93 · 04/06/2016 22:14

@Alpies you didn't sound harsh at all don't worry. But I do really love him, that's partly why I want to leave, not wanting to keep causing him all this aggravation by fighting all the time.

@HereSheComestoSavetheDay @BigPurpleCake thanks for your advice and your kind words. Glad you hear stories like these can have a happy ending (even if you don't end up with the person you thought you would)

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MsV93 · 04/06/2016 22:24

@OnceMoreIntoTheBleach Thank you, you sound lovely too. I hope your situation sorts itself out

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Alpies · 04/06/2016 22:27

Believe in yourself OP and Oncemoreintothebeach.

Take some chances and stand your ground otherwise he will walk all over you. Anyone u r with has to value you. And be grateful of your presence in their life and be able to offer u security. Love is nothing if you don't have security.
Xxx

Alpies · 04/06/2016 22:28

Who knows maybe a break and some space gives him the kick up the arse that he needs and it's happy ever after. Or u meet someone else who values u.

Either way it's a win win x

Kr1stina · 04/06/2016 22:32

i just thought I would be strong enough to put my insecurities aside and make him feel happy enough to want to commit

I've read lots of these threads on MN so I know how they end . Woudl you like me to tell you ?

You work REALLY hard on keeping him happy . Then a year down the line you have Another Talk . You know, like the ones you have been having . He hints that he was going to suggest moving in together at Christmas but now you are pushing him he's not sure .

So you try even harder to keep him happy . And later he does move in, although he still spends lots of time at his friends , doing hobbies and visits his family a lot . But you are cool with that because he has shown his comittment by moving into your flat .

Then you hint about getting engaged but nothing happens. You hint more. You post on MN about what kind of ring . Posters tell you it's the 21st century and you should do the proposing . So you have Another Talk .

Your Bf then acts upset and says that he was planning to get engaged at Christmas / your birthday and now you have spoiled it . Or that he was waiting until he had a better job / got promoted . Or that he feels bad because you earn more than him .

So you post on MN again and people tell you you have hurt his male pride and just to wait for him, because a ring doesn't matter if you are truly in love .

This is how you get to 36 and are still living with some guy who has no interest in getting married/ having kids with you. . And by then you will feel that you have invested too many years in the relationship to walk away .

Oakley02 · 04/06/2016 22:37

Leave him. A relationship with someone who loves you the way you love him is fulfilling and not difficult or hard. Look within yourself - you know the answer. I spent time with fellas that weren't right for me, met a lovely guy at aged 30, friends at first and then fell in love. Still happy and laugh every day (with the odd row!), been together 15yrs and have lovely DS together.
Wishing you a very happy ending. X

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