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throwawayadviceseeker · 27/05/2016 02:58

Hi there,

This is going to be quite a long post. I’ve never shared on a forum like this before but could really do with some impartial advice from strangers. Basically, my question is, as an expat living in the USA, should I feel bad about leaving for my planned break in the UK two weeks earlier than I was intending to leave because I can no longer tolerate my husband’s behavior? Here’s the dilemma. My husband had a benign brain tumour in January. He has his first three-month scan a couple of week ago and they said it is clear but they want to be sure a tiny area is just postoperative healing. Another scan is booked for the start of July. Am I a terrible person for thinking of going anywhere right now? I was always planning on a break to see my mother and speak at a conference for July and August and my husband told me he is absolutely fine with this and has been for the past 2 months. Because of his behaviour, I am now thinking of coming two weeks earlier than planned (2nd week of June). I am wondering if this is the right thing to do.

I want to give a bit of detail that will help to explain my personal situation. In August of last year my husband and I emigrated to the USA. It was for his work (he’s an American). We have no children (sorry if that means I shouldn't be on here-I just wanted to speak to someone). When we arrived here I felt he was very unsupportive and didn’t help me settle in. I found out he’d spent lots of money on some collectible cards when I was working hard trying to sell things online because I felt it was unfair for me to live out of what would be the money that we put in savings every month. I am educated to PhD level but struggled to pick up anything other than part-time lecturing positions (a job’s a job, I’m not complaining) when we first arrived. I was very concerned I’d never work again due to legal issues (my qualifications have to be internationally evaluated which takes time) and because quite honestly in the small place we live the three universities hiring aren’t, well, hiring. I have a couple of part-time professor contracts coming up in September and worked another couple back late last year and early this year. I’m not telling you this for any particular reason, just for context. I cannot share what my husband does but he is in a good, well-paid professional job.
Along with my general anxieties about leaving the UK forever, and my career questions, I have found being away from my mother unbearable. We are best friends and I sometimes just find it so hard. As you can imagine, I often feel very alone and isolated and the women I’m expected to be friends with her are…well…I don’t really know how to phrase it, all a little bit ‘as long as your man’s happy’ in their attitudes. My husband’s behaviour towards me from the beginning was, in my opinion, unempathetic. For the first 8 weeks we were living in an isolated place in a hotel. I felt he didn’t really understand that me leaving behind my mother, my career, and generally my whole life in the UK for good was a huge thing for me. There were nights when I couldn’t sleep because I felt so upset and homesick but he would roll over and tell me he was sick of dealing with it. This was odd to me as in the UK he was a very wonderful husband. There were fights and arguments but it was as if he felt he didn’t have to put on a show anymore as he knew I had no-one who cared around anymore. I was really disappointed by this and felt shocked and surprised. Then we moved on to our next port-of-call as it were. There, his behaviour worsened. He would have full-blown shouting sessions at me often in places like the car where people couldn’t hear him and these moods could be triggered at the drop of a pin.

I began feeling scared to say anything and felt very isolated. I started to network a little and make new friends. I got a couple of part-time lecturing contracts and began to feel happier. He was working away a lot at that time and I began to get used to functioning by myself. I saw a doctor and a psychologist and they both suggested I am in relationship which is in some ways abusive. They told me husband seemed to enjoy the idea that I’m the ‘crazy woman’ and wants a reaction. They told me to stop shouting back at him and crying and to see what would happen: they said his behavior would probably notably worsen as it was he who was angry and would be annoyed that I was no longer ‘playing ball’ and giving him an excuse to shout. They were right. When I stopped reacting, his behavior got worse. It was almost like he’d say things to make me react and it was difficult not to, but I stuck to it. One particular example was when I suggested some friends of ours didn’t seem to want to meet us one evening. I thought it might be because they felt an allegiance to an ex-girlfriend of my husband’s, which I didn’t feel was necessarily unfair on their part. This triggered a full-blown 3 hour long argument. He shouted non-stop in the car for two hours, parked off and jumped out of it, and ran around in the street. In his defence, I have done similar things in the past, but not for a good couple of years. I realised that sort of behavior was not acceptable and not a way to solve things, but he continues to use my past behavior against me, almost as if it is his turn to act ‘crazy’ now. I finally got him to calm down and we headed to a restaurant and had a nice meal. Ten minutes into the car ride home he told me he was buying a truck. I told him we’d talked about it and that we’d agreed now wasn’t the right time. This triggered the second huge shouting tirade from him. This sort of thing would happen at least 4 times a week. His behavior to me continued to worsen and he would pick fights and yell at me all the time. My landlord and landlady told me she was thinking of asking him to leave the house as all she ever heard him do was shout at me. So, in other words, it has been bad for a while. He often says he gets angry because I ‘never listen’ to him.

In January this year, shockingly, my husband was diagnosed with a benign brain tumour. He had emergency surgery and we didn’t know if it would be the c word or not. It was the worst time of my life. I would say it was the worst time of his, but he seemed to handle it very well. I was so proud of him. He seemed to hold it together more than I did, but he made me feel guilty for being exceedingly worried and crying etc. I understand that this was just because he was trying to hold it together, but it made me feel like a coward. He and I got through it-my mother came out to visit, his mother came up but left after two days because she wasn’t the centre of attention, which I thought was beyond callous. His stepfather and father have been very supportive and were there throughout. Two days before his surgery, at the stage when we didn’t know if it was benign, he told me he was angry he’d wasted the last two and a half years of his life with me ‘making him miserable’. This made me feel awful. What he’s referring to is the fact that back in London I was always living on the edge between jobs and not knowing if another contract would come in. It made me miserable at times but I do not remember myself as the woman he paints a picture of me as: I feel I was a happy, healthy woman with joy and hopes in my life. About a month after the surgery, he told me that I only stepped up to the plate for him when he was ill because it gave me a sense of purpose and that I enjoyed it. I can honestly say I can’t even understand how he thinks I ‘enjoyed’ something like that. It was awful. We are only young (early 30s) and I am/was terrified. I also felt it was unfair because I feel that after I’d had my panic I was resolutely strong. Even his family remarked on how calm and supportive I was. I wanted to crumble but I didn’t.
Anyway, after the surgery, we moved state again (his job means we move around). This time, we moved into our own home. It was the home he lived in with his ex-wife previously and if I’m honest I’m not a fan. Again, not really relevant but just context. He recovered very quickly and again I’m proud of him. He went back to work after a month and has been incredible. I told myself his personality change last year was linked to the tumour. But his behavior is bad again. The day we moved into our new house he launched a long shouting session at me because I’d said I thought we were selling the set of pans his mother gave us as we already had a set. He told me I couldn’t play a CD in the car and just makes me cry a lot. I booked us in for marriage counselling and him an individual counsellor. I feel I give accurate representations to the counsellor but that he does not. I have tried to make excuses for my husband. I tell myself he’s scared about having to change job role if there’s any side-effects from the tumour (there aren’t but his employer is specialist so any problem and you’re switched about). I tell myself it’s because he’s still afraid and feeling alone and getting over everything. I have tried to be supportive. But honestly I don’t know if it is that. He tells me it’s just because I never listen and it’s all my fault. He ignores me every night and watches videos and continues to spend money on collectible cards. have been struggling to make ends meet freelance writing and feel what he spends I can’t, so I have to earn my own way. He just tells me to put it on the card but if I did that and he carries on buying these card things then we won’t put much into savings each month. One of the more humiliating incidents was three weeks ago. I needed my b12 vitamin jab (I have pernicious anaemia so I take it every 3 months) and he was angry because I said there was no need for an alcohol swab and I felt so rough I would rather just have the jab then wait another day. He was so mad that I 'disobeyed' him that he came at me with the needle in a threatening manner, saying 'come on then, I'll give it to you!'.

I digress again. The point is 2 weeks ago he had a three month scan and they said it looked clear but they wanted to do another in 6 months just to be certain. This scared me and I didn’t like how the surgeon worded it-he seemed a little concerned over an area. My husband’s behavior hasn’t got better and my mother and his own father have told me he treats me badly. For my part I haven’t been easy to live with. I find it hard to settle here, have serious career concerns and find being away from my mother difficult. I am sick of being talked down to and being ignored and am considering moving my 2 month break to the UK forward by two weeks. The problem is, what sort of person am I that I would even think of leaving someone who could be ill again? We aren't expecting any bad results, but I feel like I shouldn't even be thinking of spending more time away. Am I wrong? Am I a terrible woman? I sometimes feel I am just running scared as I can no longer take the stress of everything. I found out today I didn’t get a great job I interviewed for and it was kind of the final straw. I realized I wanted it because it meant getting away from being treated badly. I need some advice and please just tell me what you think and not what you think I want to hear. I'm also aware people don't have time to be writing lengthy posts back like my own. Sorry it was so long and thank you in advance for any replies given.

Thank you.

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IamtheDevilsAvocado · 27/05/2016 20:43

Yes his behaviour may or may not be linked to his tumour....

It does not mean you have to put up with him endlessly and his appalling behaviour... It doesn't seem he's not angry for any meaningful amount of time.

Come early to the UK... I would tell him you want to have it as a trial separation as neither of you are happy.... Unkess his behaviour markedly changes... Jump ship... Life is too short... You have years ahead...

Destinysdaughter · 27/05/2016 20:54

I agree with others, he's abusive and it will only get worse.I'd come back here and stay for good.You deserve better than this horrid man.

BluebellTheDonkey · 27/05/2016 21:02

My DH has a large benign brain tumour, discovered last November. He's still the loving supportive husband I married 18 years ago.

purplefox · 27/05/2016 21:22

Leave now, never go back.

BlueUggs · 27/05/2016 21:29

I would go home early and THEN tell him you want a trial separation. Then watch him turn on the charm. And ignore him.

juneau · 27/05/2016 21:35

If you're unemployed its the perfect time to move back to the UK. You tried to settle in the US, you tried to make a go of your marriage, you tried to help your ungrateful, abusive husband when he was suffering with a brain tumour. You really tried. But didn't work, because quite frankly he sounds like a 24 carat arsehole. Come home! You're horribly homesick. You haven't failed and you're not a bad person, but you've married someone who is horribly abusive and I don't see any happiness in your future if you remain where you are, unemployed, unvalued and lonely. Home is a direct flight away. Get on the plane.

H3adach3 · 27/05/2016 21:35

You said you were a happy, healthly person with hopes and joys

Now you are unhappy with fears

If you stay in USA how long will you give it until things improve ?
1 month, 1 year, 10 years +

I would be brave !
Come back to UK for a break
If it feels right decide to stay in UK

thisfalseinsight · 28/05/2016 06:35

I don't usually post on these threads, either, but having moved here from overseas, I wanted to comment because I recognise myself in some of what you've posted. When we first moved here I was really, really unhappy - like you, I was unable to find work, and I missed my family (we had just had a baby, which made it even harder). I tried to settle in but it was really difficult and I didn't make any secret of the fact that I wanted to move back to our home country. In retrospect, I can see that this was very hard on my husband - I know that he felt guilty that he'd moved me to a place where I was so unhappy, but at the same time he is in a small specialist field and there were no jobs for him 'back home', so it was either stay or move back for me and give up his career, which he'd worked very hard for. We fought constantly, terrible rows, and I was miserable - I felt that my husband was being awful, not recognising how much I'd given up to come with him, not trying to see things from my perspective, cold and uncaring, etc. As I said, though, in retrospect I think that it was actually really difficult for him, too - he did know how hard it was, and he felt terrible about it, but he also felt that there wasn't much he could do without giving up his career.

What changed everything for me was going out and getting my own job. I had also been in an academic career but I changed gears completely and moved into another field - I had to start over with the new university grads but I was able to progress quickly and now, eight years later, I'm in a career that I love and that I am really proud to have built up. My job has not only given me something to focus on, but it's made me feel less trapped - I now have my own reason for being here, and I'm not financially dependent on my husband. I've also made friends, come to love the city I live in, and just generally settled in. But it took a long time (we've been here for ten years now), and it wasn't an easy road, especially for the first four years.

As I've come to accept and even love living here, my relationship with my husband has improved massively. As I said I think that part of it is taking that guilt off him, but I also now I feel like I have a lot more control over my life. I did consider, in my darkest days, moving back by myself (with our son), but now I'm confident that that would have been a terrible mistake and I'm glad that I stayed.

I'm not sure how much of this might apply in your situation, but I just wanted to offer another perspective. It does sound like your husband is behaving awfully, but at the time I might have sometimes said the same thing about my husband. I really do think that what changed everything was me building my own career (that and time) - is this something that you could consider doing, even if it takes some time? I know that the academic job market is really poor, especially in the US - I do think that the worry about my own long-term career prospects also contributed to my fear and unhappiness when we first moved here. Now, though, being financially independent and having my own job, my own reason for being here, has made living here a choice rather than something that had happened to me, and that shift in perspective really did change my life.

Of course all of this depends on whether you feel like your relationship is worth preserving. As I said we have children so living apart or splitting up would have been a different kind of decision for us. I do think that moving overseas is tremendously difficult, though, and it can take a very long time to adjust. I'm certainly not trying to defend your husband but I think that the bottom line is that you can only change yourself - whether that means staying and doing something differently or moving back to the UK.

Good luck - I know it's really hard!

FoggyBottom · 28/05/2016 08:54

You're really not a terrible person. You've ben dealing with multiple & traumatic things.

Just one thing - brain tumours are notorious for changing the sufferer's personality , and sometimes turning them into angry abusive people. It can start before the tumour itself is found. It's awful - I've seen it happen, and it's just horrid because you know it isn't that person, it's the pressure of the tumour. Could you get some medical support for yourself in that respect?

And come home early. Don't feel guilty. You've moved your whole life for your DH. You need your life as well.

mumoseven · 28/05/2016 10:32

Seconding, thirding the 'if you were my daughter, I'd come get you'
Never mind the tumour. If people think you're dreadful leaving a sick man, so be it. You know what you've endured.

Mollymaywell · 28/05/2016 11:37

I was in a similar situation to you some years ago: living abroad, abusive husband, no local support, isolated and desperate to come back to the UK. I felt incredible guilt because when his mother was diagnosed with cancer, it pushed me to make the break and leave. I knew the sicker she got, the harder it would be to leave. Go home now. Sometimes you must look after yourself first. I did feel callous and guilty for a long time but I then had counselling with MIND, who are brilliant, which helped me rationalise everything and see that it was not my fault and I'd taken the only sensible action. It's not your fault either - you can't continue to live in the way you've described x

tb · 28/05/2016 20:21

Please go home to the UK - sooner rather than later. If you need to, you could always say you're going to look into the idea of a job, following up his idea of long-distance marriage if that won't make things dangerous for you.

Once safely in the UK, let him know you've changed your mind and get a divorce.

Hissy · 28/05/2016 20:49

You have a great mum, and she will have you gone in a heart beat.

Even if you didn't, I'd be on the coach to come and get you too!

Come home love.

And yes, you'll be welcome here no matter what! Xx

((((Hug)))

throwawayadviceseeker · 29/05/2016 05:06

Thank you so much for your reply. Sorry mine is belated. I really am touched by the kindness of people on here. I personally don't attribute it to the tumour. In my heart I wanted to but I think the bad behaviour started when he realised I wasn't the sort of woman to be 'pushed around'. It began last year around May. I just feel so lonely but I'm scared to come back to the UK as I don't want to be a woman pushing 30 living back with my mum. When we were living in London life was great but here just isn't the same.

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throwawayadviceseeker · 29/05/2016 05:34

Good God. I have just read all of your responses. Each and every one of you-you are so kind. I can't believe the response I have had. I put up the post in despair and felt pretty embarrassed and I thought you guys would tell me I was wrong. You know, people always say bad things about Mumsnet but tonight, as I read through these responses, I found them the most consolatory thing I have read in a long time.

The support you are all offering me is somewhat overwhelming. Here, in the US, I get people who barely understand my accent and basically spit my words back to me (you what now, honey?!) and I am never made to feel appreciated or supported. On the contrary, I feel like because I'm a woman and I followd him for his job, I'm expected to just tolerate it. When I tried explaining to his mother-in-law that I was working as an academic (I'm a Dr. of English wahoo!) she told me I should go and get a job in a school and remember 'woman is the helpmate of man and that I was born from Adam's rib). I'm being totally serious. Another young woman who I thought might be a friend had a book in her bathroom called 'Becoming a Vessel for God and Your Husband'.

Your posts here have made me realise that, yes, I'm struggling to find academic work here in the US and it's the same as when I was in the UK. In other words, I'm struggling in any place so would I rather be at home with someone who cares about me or here with someone who continually tries to mould me into something I'm not.

I have a work contract coming up here from Septembr to December, so I think I will leave within the next two weeks and come back for my work. If I find I am happier in the UK I will stay there. I also used to run a tutoring business (believe it or not I am fit to be around children!) so I'm going to try and get that up and running againw hen I get back to London as I miss my kids so much. I used to love seeing their little faces pour into my house and I want to see them again. I'm worried I won't pick up work, but, you know what, I have enough in savings and I think I will just treat it like a break. I feel bad going away when my husband has worries but, that's the thing, I don't think he really is worried, and I'm glad he's not. It seems to be me that gets stressed out and can't cope with things and perhaps the best place for me to be right now would be at home.

Do you think I'm a failure for having to live back with my mother? I'm 29. She and I get on like a house on fire but our relationship can be fractious. She tells me my husband will leave me for someone else if I leave the USA and she can't seem to get that I'm not afraid of that. I have my own feelings of failure career-wise, but I know my husband wouldn't do that to me and that isn't a concern, even if we are apart for a few months. That's the problem, we love each other deeply but even when we were back in London I remember thinking 'what can I do to make this man respect me, what is it going to take?' I feel to be honest like he's done a number on me. I believe I am this messed up person who is a complete -up. The struggle to find work and keep money coming in as someone self-employed has been hard and it is enough to make someone feel low, but you posters are right, it;s like there's something ebbing away at my self-esteem and I have wondered now a few times if my confidence is shot because of him.

The thing is, I have an obsession about money and I feel that it means everything is my fault. Because I don't really earn much, I like to keep to a savings budget. We normally hit it but I feel it's me who takes the hit. For example, because I know he will buy lunch out somewhere, I will make do with what's in the cupboards and go to the pound store for everything. I can't live like it anymore. He tells me to 'lean on him financially' but this is the same guy who last month spent about 600 pounds on collectible playing cards. I just couldn't believe it. We have the money, and we are very lucky, but not the sort of money to do that every month and save. To think I'd been going short because I felt guilty that everything I spent would come out of our savings amount. I feel so angry about that now.

Anyway, I'm telling you all this for context. I don't want to paint myself as the blameless victim. I have lots of flaws and problems and the money obsession is no fun for anyone who knows me. But I can't help but feel he uses my flaws as an excuse to justify behaviour which is just terrible. I even told him I was just lonely and needed to be held and loved every now and then, but every time I try and bring up something he shouts and leaves me by going out for a job or a bike ride. I feel doubly alone then and it's like a sort of punishment he inflicts on me.

I wanted to conclude by just saying thank you to all of you. I am not perfect and I am humbled by your replies. Your are like the friends I've never had. You've truly made a real difference in my life and those of you who said you lived abroad and had similar experiences, I couldn't believe it. I sometimes feel like it's only me experiencing this whole expat thing so to find out there are others and that you've had similar marital problems is really comforting and makes me know I'm not so alone. To BluebelltheDonkey, I'm touched you chose to share that about your husband. I do hope he is recovering and that things are ok, or as ok as they can be? Again, it's amazing how similar all of us women are when you look at us as a whole on a forum like this. Your kindness and humility has really given me strength. I'm so glad that no-one trolled me. I really am grateful for all of your replies and I think I know hat needs to b done now. Regardless of who is right-he or I, I need some space. Thank you for helping me to reach this decision. I'm going to try and book a flight tomorrow and head home mid-June, staying in the UK until the end of August.

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NorksAreMessy · 29/05/2016 06:07

Stay with us throw
We vipers will always be here to help you

SomeonesRealName · 29/05/2016 08:14

Oh my god get out if there. What you describe of your relationship with your husband is dreadful and it sounds like you are making huge sacrifices for this monster! Does his illness also cause him to rant and shout at his boss? Going home to your mum doesn't seem like a good long term solution but it's a port in a storm. I'm nearly forty and I just spent two years living with my parents after leaving a bad marriage. It's not been ideal but it's been heaven compared with the situation I left and it has allowed me to rebuild my life. I'm about to buy my own place and I have a new relationship that's the complete opposite of the one I left. It sounds like mental/emotional barriers are the only things keeping you there - you have every reason to leave.

ElspethFlashman · 29/05/2016 09:20

One common feeling amongst women in relationships where they are treated badly is "well I've got countless faults, he puts up with a lot really - I really am a drag to live with".

And I always wonder if they had such a low opinion of themselves prior to the relationship? Or if they are believing the hype?

In other words, is it really such an unusual thing to be freaked out about money? Or has he done a number on you and led you to believe what is actually rather normal, is some pathological character flaw?

What unemployed ex pat wouldn't be freaked out about money????

hellsbellsmelons · 29/05/2016 09:35

You are most definitely not a failure.
Moving in with your mum shows strength. It shows you are willing to do what it takes to find happiness and not just put up with crap treatment.
When you do come back, contact women's aid and sign up to do their Freedom Programme.
You will be just fine.
Come back and build that life you want.

Fishface77 · 29/05/2016 13:12

Pack your bags and go home love. Even without the emigrating he sounds hard work.
He doesn't seem to have any respect or love for you.
Go home and be happy.

Thinker03 · 29/05/2016 14:23

You are not a bad person at all. You sound very supportive and he should feel lucky to have a wife like you.

Making a decision to leave is always hard if I were you I would leave now for good before you add children into the mix.

Relationships are never perfect I guess it's about deciding what you can put up with for the rest of your life? Could you put up with this abuse for the rest of your life? Sounds like you would be quite any happy. No one cannot say you didn't try. I think if you leave 2 weeks early it should be with a view to separating/divorce as I am not sure how you could "come back" from the fact that you left 2 weeks before your break during a time when your support may have been "required the most"...

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