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I think my parents are EA, and it's fucking with my mental health

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sconebonjovi · 17/05/2016 23:25

I've been struggling with some things about my upbringing, and am considering going at least low contact with my parents. I feel like they were perhaps emotionally abusive. I know that, sadly, so many of you are very knowledgable about this stuff. Just a couple of incidents that have been playing on my mind:

My mother walked in on me in the shower (as she always did) at 17 and saw I'd shaved off my pubic hair. She was horrified, called me a pervert, and was nasty to me about it for days.

When I was about 15 I went through a phase of getting blood on my underwear during my (very heavy) periods. During a row my father called me a child because I still couldn't manage to not get 'shit on my pants'. My mother used to inspect my clothes when they went in the wash, and regularly shame me about this.

We used to have vicious fights, that would often turn physical in some way. They would only draw to a close when my precious little brother would get angry and then hyperventilate. My parents would say 'enough is enough, your brother is getting upset'. What would have happened during these rows is that they would have been screaming at me, and my brother on one occasion threw a clay ornament at my head. It was I who would have been causing the upset by not doing exactly what that wanted. During another argument, my father kicked through my classical guitar, snapping it in two, before grabbing me by the neck of my dressing gown, spitting in my face and saying 'I'd punch you if you were a man'.

My phone was in my mothers name, she paid for it until I was 18, but kept it in her name until I was 20. She used to use my online phone bill to keep tabs on me. Ditto with my bank account. She also used to frequently go through my phone, and went through diaries numerous times, from when I was 13-20. I feel like I had no privacy. She still asks me every month if my period has come, and keeps asking until it has, all the whilst saying 'I hope you're not PREGNANT'.

When I told her I'd had bulimia for years, after allowing her to take me for tests to investigate why I was being sick all the time, she said 'how could you do this to me, I can't believe you lied to me'. She also insinuated that she did not believe me. My parents have been and always have been obsessed with me lying to them, and not trusting me. They never considered the fact that I did not trust them.

At 22 I travelled to go on a date with my now husband and didn't tell them. My mum found my train ticket, flipped out, called me a slut etc. She emptied out my handbag to 'see what else I had been lying about' and found my anti depressants. Flipped out further. When I got angry she started yelling 'you're insane, she's crazy!!' My father and brother got involved. It ended up with my brother force feeding me a bunch of my anti depressants, and me letting him. He also broke my finger that night. I was not allowed to seek medical help for either of these things, as we've known the local dr since I was born, and what would they think of my brother? I should have perhaps called the police, but a) they wouldn't have let me make the call, and b) I was worried they'd get me sectioned, even though I was fine, except depressed!

I don't know what to do. In many ways they are your archetypal caring parents, who sacrificed stuff for me, spoiled me, and always do things because they care. I feel so down about it all, my mental health is in a bit of a state and I can't move past this stuff, and the rest. I'm also afraid of being emotionally unavailable to my daughter. I don't know what to do.

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RunRabbitRunRabbit · 18/05/2016 09:37

Every other day is not low contact. It is high contact.

Are you scared of her anger if you only talk to her once a week or once a month?

sconebonjovi · 18/05/2016 09:41

I was thinking I'd start with ignoring every other in the hope she doesn't notice the drop and press me on why I'm ignoring her. I can't really say 'it's because I've just figured out you're abusive, mum'. Can I?

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 18/05/2016 09:50

Would return the £150 to your mother's account, it was never ever sent as a gift or without any degree of obligation attached to it. She did that to further hack off your granddad whom you get along with.

If she thinks you are ignoring her then tell her you were out or otherwise indisposed. You really need to break free of her otherwise they will control you from afar for potentially the rest of your days.

queenoftheknight · 18/05/2016 09:59

I agree that your family of origin should be in prison for what they have done to you.

I agree that it is abuse, and it is about control.

This happened to me too.

I am zero contact with those people now, and have had YEARS of therapy to come to terms with their cruelty.

But I am also living proof that you CAN break free, and reclaim your own self, and your own life, and you can be happy.

People say that happiness is the best revenge. It is. It really, really is.

The Stately Homes thread helped me enormously at the time.

MusicIsMedicine · 18/05/2016 13:48

Be prepared for it to kick off when you start trying to put in boundaries.

Narcissists and control freaks hate you having boundaries and want total control of you on their terms.

You don't need to answer a call nor do you need to justify or explain why you didn't. You were busy, end of.

Also, if you don't get a call then wonder if you did something wrong - is the silent treatment used to punish you? When you don't even know what you supposedly did wrong and can't read minds? That is another form of abuse.

AugustaFinkNottle · 18/05/2016 13:57

Return the £150, and talk to the bank about changing your account details so that she can't put money in again.

ShebaShimmyShake · 18/05/2016 13:58

Yes, very abusive. You owe them nothing. I'm not surprised they had you thinking it was normal or acceptable.

I'm so sorry. Never ever blame yourself.

sconebonjovi · 18/05/2016 16:51

Thank you all. Can I ask, how do I access the kind of therapy that I need ? Have previously had bouts of cbt and seem psychiatrists but it's not been very helpful. My parents have previously offered to pay for counselling but would rather not take them up on that!

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springydaffs · 18/05/2016 17:14

By rights my parents should have paid for my (extensive) therapy - it was them who fucked me up.

Have a look at the BACP site, click 'find a therapist '. Go through the list, see what you fancy. Most offer a sliding fee scale, just ask. It's a commitment but it's worth it. I recommend you stay in therapy for the long haul, not weeks or months.

sconebonjovi · 18/05/2016 19:23

Thank you springy I'll look into that. I feel a lot fucking worse now I've started properly interrogating this stuff!

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RunRabbitRunRabbit · 18/05/2016 19:48

You could start by reading Toxic Parents.

Do you really think she'll let you reduce your phone calls without kicking off?

Assuming she will kick off no matter what you do to reduce then you might as well do what you actually want.

Weekly phone calls would be far more reasonable. You could say that daily phone calls are too much for your busy life. You would rather have half an hour of quality chat every Sunday night at 7pm. Obviously she will lay on the guilt but really no one else would think weekly is too little.

kennypppppppp · 18/05/2016 20:01

i had a therapist to process (not get over, unfortunately) my narcissistic mother. i just flipped through the thompson local and there was a therapist who lived near me with the same name as me so i picked her. i would have talked to a lamp post if it had listened, the state i was in.

your parents sound utterly vile and abusive which is a big thing for you, as the child, to admit. but it's totally wrong for anyone to be treated that way. i've been lucky enough not to have spoken to my mother in over ten years but my upbringing changed me hugely and i know i'm not the person i could have been but that's life, i guess.

i spoke to a therapist recently (one had popped in to work) and she was horrified by what i had been through. and for a therapist to show a big reaction was a biggy for me and i realised i wasn't totally bonkers and making it all up (as my mother would have said i did).

best of luck with things. therapist is your first step. have you been to the gp for a chat too? you might have anxiety/depression/other things which meds could help with (i'd be lost without mine).

it's totally unacceptable that you were treated like that.

springydaffs · 18/05/2016 22:19

Melanie Tonia Evans is good for recovering from narcissistic abuse, kenny.

You say your parents were emotionally abusive op - and they certainly are that in spades - boundaryless for a start Angry - but they were also very physically abusive. Not that there are grades between emotional and physical abuse - it's all horribly destabilising stuff.

kennypppppppp · 18/05/2016 23:40

thanks springy daffs - will check her out :O)

queenoftheknight · 19/05/2016 11:06

I had a couple of twelve week courses of therapy on the NHS. Thankfully NOT CBT which is next to useless for this kind of thing. It really, really helped.

I have been seeing my current therapist, privately, for over two years. I found her of the BACP site, and chose her because she specialises in trauma and abuse. It isn't cheap, but it is VERY definitely worth every single penny.

I personally have found the PODS website excellent. I have even been to one of their workshops which was a revelation.

Best of luck finding the right fit for you.

sconebonjovi · 19/05/2016 12:36

Thank you. I'm going to go to my gp and see if there's anything they can do. I really can't afford any kind of regular paid therapy, we're very a very low income family. I feel like I need to talk to a professional who can help me deal with at the very least minimising contact with my parents. My mother called me last night and was perfectly nice, which I find difficult and confusing.

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springydaffs · 19/05/2016 17:27

PODS link, queen? Can't find it..

Scone, low cost therapy is available through Eg women's orgs, MIND etc. You have to do a bit of digging. But you'd be better trying someone on BACP and asking about low cost therapy. I know all about low income (argh) but some things are essential. I really would recommend you get some good therapy.

IMO NHS therapy is awful. Their therapists have very little training and IMO are more harmful than helpful. Some people get lucky but that's exactly what it is - luck.

peskyfeelings · 19/05/2016 18:03

Are you in London OP? I can recommend a very good, low cost organisation if so😊

FrancisdeSales · 19/05/2016 19:25

OP I think when abuse occurs in a financially comfortable family who refuse to acknowledge the abuse it can be very confusing for the children. Guilt-tripping is usually present as a constant control mechanism and so the children (who want to believe their parents are really good, kind people) feel extremely conflicted. Your parents may have used shame and guilt and lack of admitting what was really going on to turn you into a scapegoat for their behaviour. As a result despite experiencing immense emotional pain, control and constant guilt-tripping by them, they convinced you it was all somehow your fault and you were delusional. They only have to point out all the material goods you had been given plus their high status in the local community to explain that YOU were in fact the problem.

This is clearly part of the abuse, the lack of truth and the constant cover up with a big emphasis on appearances. Abuse happens at all income levels. The Queen's father was severely abused and bullied by his nanny as a little boy. Often wealth can be a good cover up and decoy for the reality of the situation.

sconebonjovi · 20/05/2016 20:34

I'm in Wales pesky. Will start having a proper dig for low cost therapy. To the poster who said NHS therapy can have the opposite of the desired effect; I whole heartedly agree. I was thinking actually, in all of the counselling I've had previously I've been asked about my relationship with my parents, and all I've been able to say is that they are very different to me, but that our relationship is broadly fine, which is simply not true. This was before I had a child though, which has changed my perspective.

I've been reading one of the long threads on gransnet which is being discussed elsewhere on this board, and I have to say, it's making me feel guilty and selfish for considering cutting my parents out of my families lives. I know my mother will be distraught and will never understand.

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