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This is really chilling, I think

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404NotFound · 11/05/2016 22:16

Namechanged for this, as potentially too identifiable to FOO stalkers.

I am NC with FOO, for a variety of reasons, none of which I particularly want to rehash here. Occasionally I lurk on a FB forum for parents of estranged adult children, because I find it morbidly fascinating and actually quite validating to observe just HOW bonkers the mindset is.

Today I found this post on there, which sent shivers down my back because it is SO similar to the kind of thing my NMother has sent to me:

The last time I wrote my daughter...a few years ago, I stated the following: "When a person is charged with a crime, the accused is presented with a list of grievances. As your mother, I feel I am entitled to no less a list of grievances in support of your claims of hatred towards me." I've never received a reply, because she has none. We as parents shouldn't accept responsibility for our adult children's short-sightedness and bad behavior.

As ever, it's much easier to see the crazy when it's not your own personal situation being hashed out, but OMG at the demand that the adult child justifies her emotions with a bullet-pointed list of grievances before there can be any question of her being permitted to feel her own feelings. And these people wonder why they are estranged. You'd think round about the time you wrote about your entitlement to a list of grievances to support your child's claims of hatred towards you, you might get a glimmer of realisation about why your adult dc didn't want to be around you. But apparently not.

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GarlicShake · 25/05/2016 22:37

Yes GarlicShake it is. Did you want to add your story?

How bloody dare you.

My story is here. You're too 'busy' to read it.

This thread and the Stately Homes (series of threads) are an absolute gold mine of material for you, if you would get off your patronising platform and engage with real people's real stories for once.

Your attitude stinks.

Baconyum · 25/05/2016 22:37

Anger is a healthy emotion in some situations.

Anger is part of grief for example and many of us are grieving when we first go NC. Grieving not the person we've cut off, but the lack of a supportive and loving family, the happy childhood EVERY child deserves.

nina59 · 25/05/2016 22:38

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GarlicShake · 25/05/2016 22:38

Rumbling, I'm shaking after reading your 22:23 post. It's so familiar.
I didn't realise I was still so raw.
Thank you.

fusionconfusion · 25/05/2016 22:38

Anger is a necessary stage of resistance for people who have had traumatic experiences, which I'm sure given your expertise on the human condition you know.

Interesting how quickly you used the word "entitled", mind. And your comments about how if people feel their experience has been abusive.... hmmm. No agenda there then.

It's also erroneous to consider anger is what drives most NC. I am not predominantly angry with my father and I have a lot of compassion for how wounded he is. I can't maintain contact with him however as he has been abusive to my kids and continues to be abusive to me. That's not something I "feel". That's something that is.

fusionconfusion · 25/05/2016 22:39

Sorry that was to Nina

nina59 · 25/05/2016 22:40

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fusionconfusion · 25/05/2016 22:41

Nina you are behaving very poorly here. I would suggest you stop, take a breath and remove yourself from this situation as you have identified anger as a toxic emotion for you.

Baconyum · 25/05/2016 22:41

Well you can't have done very thorough research. Anger is seen as a good thing for many people. For victims of all kinds of abuse, for expressing our hurt (many therapists as a pp has said, have to work with people for YEARS to get them to allow themselves to feel anger). Suppressing anger is FAR more dangerous and unhealthy. Have you never heard of depression being anger turned inwards/unexpressed? Surely you would have if your research was so thorough?

MerdTheFuck · 25/05/2016 22:42

Okay, goady fucker alert and nothing more!

rumblingDMexploitingbstds · 25/05/2016 22:42

I'm not angry. It was a stage I went through but no, I'm not being held captive by memory of long ago wrongs. (The last incident was about ten days ago incidentally, they keep on coming! And getting processed. And got over.) I know that person is who they are, this is what they're going to do.

I'm also LC rather than NC, and have been managing a holding pattern with that for a while. My life's moving on fine.

Incidentally there was a history of abuse and NC in my parent with their parent (my GP) and with the GPs and wider family, and with one of the GPs parents. Sadly down to the legacy of abuse handed on down the generations.

nina59 · 25/05/2016 22:42

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Baconyum · 25/05/2016 22:43

Nina your post at 2240 is out of order!

MerdTheFuck · 25/05/2016 22:43

Or actual psycho? Not sure which.

Either way well done your daughter for pulling away - I encourage her in this.

nina59 · 25/05/2016 22:44

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Baconyum · 25/05/2016 22:45

Nina you're EXACTLY the same age as my '2nd' true mum! She would heartily disagree.

GarlicShake · 25/05/2016 22:46

Me too, Merd.

I hate it when numbers don't add up correctly. I get this weird siren noise in my ears.

WhoTheFuckIsSimon · 25/05/2016 22:47

Add message | Report | Message poster nina59 Wed 25-May-16 22:22:33
No, I'm sorry Baconyum you're wrong. My daughter was not in an abusive situation. Please do not add your own take to my comments.

I'm guessing your daughter may feel differently?

nina59 · 25/05/2016 22:47

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Baconyum · 25/05/2016 22:47

Its a public forum and we are users not owners so we can't say leave. But we can say what we think and we can do so within the talk guidelines.

GarlicShake · 25/05/2016 22:48

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Baconyum · 25/05/2016 22:49

A woman who took me into her home and treated me like a loved and valued daughter. Something I didnt experience until my 20's.

fusionconfusion · 25/05/2016 22:49

Nina, it is entirely irrelevant whether you stay or leave. It's coming off a little bit like a bored teenager spoiling for a fight which is a little tiresome and boring, hardly "challenging".

GarlicShake · 25/05/2016 22:50

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Baconyum · 25/05/2016 22:50

Garlic exactly! Particularly given our collective experiences I hardly think we're gonna find an irritating gf challenging!

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