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I need to admit it's over

42 replies

starrytuppence · 01/05/2016 11:49

I have been married for 12 years now and have 3 children 8, 7 and 5. Neither DH or I have any family by- mine are deceased and his are overseas, so in terms of help and support, I don't have any.
He has always been known for being hot headed, but we have always worked through any problems, mainly for the sake of the kids.
I decided two years ago that I wanted it to be over. I could no longer handle the emotional abuse and went as far as going to a solicitor to take a preventative steps order against him (our youngest was with grandparents in Turkey at the time and I needed reassurance that I would get her back). I felt in control and he spent months begging for us to sort things out. I relented, and we were fine for a while, the odd spat here and there. We had an immense amount of pressure put on us last year when we bought a new house. We spent a lot on fixing things, and unfortunately income was low (we run a coffee shop), so the pressure rose again.
He is always in the frame of mind that my only job is to keep him happy, and he has the rest of the responsibility. He fails to acknowledge that not only do I work 6 days a week, I also have to take care of the children, from getting up in the morning, through to three lots of homework and reading every night, trying to keep them up with where they need to be educationally in school etc. I am not necessarily mentally tired, but I am physically tired, and he fails to see that sometimes I need that release of picking up the phone to my Mum and having a chat, or meeting up etc. I can feel very alone.
His parents arrived to stay with us around 10 days ago. It has been great in the sense that MIL has helped out loads at home so that hasn't been an issue. However, when he is around his parents, he has this nack of belittling me, almost like he is being a spoilt brat around them.
I had worked yesterday and come home to take his mum out for a couple of hours. They arrived home after us and as I opened the door, before I even had chance to open my mouth, he started to mock me saying 'look at the state of you, anyone would think you had worked hard and you're exhausted again'.

That was the start of his rant saying he had had enough of me and wanted it to be over. That he was sick of me being so 'done in' all the time and he deserved to be happy. I then went upstairs and listened to him slating me to his parents for a whole hour, to the point I had to turn the extractor on in the bathroom so I couldn't hear his taunts anymore. I had his mum saying she agreed it should be over, and in that moment, my heart broke when I realised that apart from my kids, I had nobody to protect or defend me. It hurt so much.

I open the coffee shop 6 days whilst he sleeps in until 10am+, but he justifies this by saying he works mentally by seeing how we can take the business forward. In other words, bull. He will call me names and make reference to my past in that my dad was an alcoholic, saying last night that my family had palmed their bitch onto him Sad

I despise having sex with him because it is all about his satisfaction. Our conversations are made around money and debt and I can't remember the last time he told me he loved me.

I don't want my children to grow up in a house where there is so much anger and hostility, however, I am scared about how I will cope on my own. He has already said he can't look after the kids, and I would be in effect unemployed as I would no longer work in the coffee shop. Whilst I am aware of our money, he has always taken control because I struggle to work out incoming and outgoings and allocating money for things like the overdraft and credit card etc. I am scared I can't cope, but I am more scared that I have realised my marriage is truly over.

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starrytuppence · 02/05/2016 18:48

I also meant to say thank you- you have been keeping me going when I have felt alone.

Thank you Flowers

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Snoringlittlemonkey · 02/05/2016 19:01

You might want to post those details in legal to get some advice over there. But my initial thoughts are you do absolutely need legal support to get a proper financial settlement in place. You also need to sort out child maintenance and I would suggest a formalised access agreement with the kids with a stipulation about overseas travel.

He doesn't want you to get legal advice because it's not in his interest. But it is most certainly in yours!

My two cents would be the new house goes to you either through remortgage if you can or get a mesher order in place with a predetermined split % when the youngest is 18. Something like 60/40 or your favour (I would asked for 70 if I were in your shoes). You do the same with your mum's house so you retain an interest in the property (whatever split you feel appropriate -ask your solicitor for advice here).

The business will also go into the pot. Are you an joint owner or an employee?

What about a pension plan or investments -does he have any?

I'm no expert so these are just my thoughts and how I would approach it.

Snoringlittlemonkey · 02/05/2016 19:03

No worries lovie, happy to help you through what must be a shit time. Flowers

Sending you a virtual hug

RandomMess · 02/05/2016 20:05

You need a list of marital debts & assets - not this how much is the mortgage per month.

If the business etc is all in his name then I doubt it is part of the marital assets.

Ultimately you may be better off selling both properties, take your 50% each (although you could argue for more to house your DC - is DS disability going to mean that you will care for him for the rest of your life).

You can instigate divorce proceedings on grounds of unreasonable behaviour - you do not need it to be anything extreme.

The financial settlement can be agreed between you but each of you would needs at least one advice session with a solicitor each.

starrytuppence · 02/05/2016 20:18

Thank you for your replies once again. I am just sitting and doing homework with DD1 so will reply shortly.

He has just been in talk and says I will now be facing real life when I have to survive on £2K a month and struggle to find money here and there for things because he isn't around.

He is petrified about me using the kids against him, saying he would want them 1-2 nights a week and for them to stay 3-4 weeks overseas in summer. I don't have the grounds to I wouldn't want to stop them from seeing their Dad here but I cannot trust them to go overseas. He said if I were going to use them against him, he would pay all it took to take a solicitor against me to fight me tooth and nail Sad

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starrytuppence · 02/05/2016 20:26

He also spent the past hour telling me I didn't appreciate anything he's done for me. That the reason why he doesn't come to work is because he is sick of seeing me and the mistakes I always make and that if I was an employee I'd have been gone a long time ago.

He can't wait to see me fall flat on my face and end up in a big heap, saying that he won't be there to pick up the pieces.

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RandomMess · 02/05/2016 20:39

Abusive arse!!!

How much equity is there in the properties and in which county to you live (just for an idea of house prices)

In truth he is scared that you will leave and build a happy life without him and he'll lose face.

He would have to apply to the courts to take the abroad - he has previously threatened not to return your youngest and I think Turkey haven't signed up to the Hague convention - the courts would like not support him.

You need to contact the authorities and ensure that their passports are marked with I think it's as an abduction risk so he can't claim they are lost and get replacements.

He is upping the anti because he knows you have reasonable grounds to divorce him and have the DC with you.

Snoringlittlemonkey · 02/05/2016 20:43

He is losing control of you and he's starting to realise it. He's lashing out to hurt you, frighten you, bully you, whatever it takes to bring you to heel. Just remain strong, you won't fall on your face.

If you're not an employee as he said then you must be a co-owner of the business? This is a really important point to pin down and discuss with your solicitor.

He will have to provide through child maintenance, you just won't have to put up with bullshit as well Grin

I see what Random is saying and you may not want this from an emotional perspective but I think it would be better to stay on the property ladder if you can possible do it. It will depend upon how much equity is in the property and your chances of getting a mortgage on your own. If you can negotiate a good split with the £300k house then you can always downsize when the youngest reaches 18 and all being well do it without a mortgage.

Do post in legal though and possible property to get some ideas.

notapizzaeater · 02/05/2016 20:49

He's sounds an absolute that, course he doesn't want you to involve a solicitor - yes it will cost you but they will give advice and help you need. Do not listen to him, he is playing you !!

attheedgeofsanity · 02/05/2016 20:51

You have my full
Sympathy OP. is your husband Mediterranean?

starrytuppence · 02/05/2016 20:56

We live in Leeds and my Mums house is in Bradford, which unfortunately has lost a lot in value since her death. There is approx £30K in that house and £200K in the new house.

Once when our youngest was staying in Turkey with inlaws, he threatened that he had the power not to bring her back. That is why I took out a court order ensuring her return and protection against him taking the others. It didn't come to that as I went over with the other children and got her myself. That was the year I decided it was over but his persuasive ways had me decide otherwise.

He knows I'm capable of getting the right protection for myself, but he has also threatened he will say I have psychological issues (I took anti depressants for a while after my Mums death as I was also getting over the 11 week premature birth of DS which led to him being diagnosed with CP). There was the birth and death within 3 months of each other so it was a very grim time.

However, I have on my medical records about him once hitting me so two can play that game.

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kaurtecy · 02/05/2016 21:01

Get a prohibited steps order asap so he can't just up and run with the kids. Men do things you can't think are possible. My ex took kids when I was clueless and I ever would have though he was capable. Start to record this abuse, the taunts, the harassment. Go to the police. Call women's aid. Bottom line is it might be tough, but you won't be homeless /starve. The only way is up. I feel angry reading about them .... Don't let him push you down

RandomMess · 02/05/2016 21:05

How much equity would you need to buy something suitable (perhaps a cheaper area) outright?

Short term yes a prohibitive step order - longer term I think a clean break is best if possible.

I agree he knows you have the power hence his nastiness.

Snoringlittlemonkey · 02/05/2016 21:13

You've found your anger! Hold on to it and use that energy to move forward.

Since you've said that he's been violent personally I now think a clean break would be better.

Your medical record is perfectly understandable given the context and your solicitor if good could make him look very bad if he tries to use it. Plus you have the domestic violence record on him so his credibility is doubtful.

Keep thinking he's a little man trying to get control because he's no longer got it. Pathetic little spoilt brat.

starrytuppence · 02/05/2016 21:23

My main aim at the moment is to keep my head up for the kids.

His mum was very civil which I wasn't expecting. I'm tucked up in bed whilst they look after the kids which is handy as my head is currently up my jacksie Smile

I have hold of the one thing he wants more than anything and that is the kids and whilst I have never been a spiteful person and would never deny the kids their dad, it's nice to finally have some power back.

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damnitdamnit · 02/05/2016 22:53

I'm a bit worried your posts are quite identifying (I know you in rl) just in case I would remove as you don't want to be publicising your next steps. You do need to leave this relationship.

Snoringlittlemonkey · 03/05/2016 12:05

I agree with Damnit probably best to get this thread deleted and start again with a fresh one. We'll still be here Smile

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