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Husband not doing chores..

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LPickers · 28/04/2016 11:28

This must be a really common problem. Had a big row last night with my husband about him not taking ownership of chores, and would like some thoughts/feedback/views please.

To provide background - I had a career and now a stay-at-home-mum (work a couple of evenings). Two kids aged 3 and 6 months. Husband has a high-level job but home 6pm each night.

At home my DH takes responsibility for emptying bins/recycling, making own sandwiches for work, sometimes ironing his shirts, and mowing the lawns. He also is supposed to trim back the garden hedges but I have to nag. He helps watch the kids.

I am turning into a nagging wife who is very stressed because I literally do everything else. Unfortunately we have moved into a house which needs a lot of work doing to it - everywhere you look there are jobs. I am doing all of the DIY - sanding, painting, organising tradesmen to repair and replace, buying and building furniture, basically anything DIY. If I see something broken I fix it. If something is dirty I clean it.

He doesn't do anything unless he is asked - several times. For instance, I do not like emptying the hoover bag (spider fear), but he will only do it once I have asked about 6 times over a few weeks and its escalated. I also also him to get stuff out of the garage for me - have to ask a million times. He never looks at something in the house and thinks - that's broken, I'll fix it. That's dirty - I will clean it. If we need something for the house in order to do jobs - a new drill, paint, a tool, he will make no attempts to arrange to get one/order one. He gets stuff out then leaves it lying around as if the fairies are going to come and put it away (I end up doing it or nagging him to tidy it),

He does not organise anything - I do all family holiday planning, kid stuff, packing to visit people, etc. At weekends he only thinks about going out on fun family days out - never about what needs to get done in the house.

Basically I feel that nothing will get done, unless I do it. It's as if he literally keeps no information in his head - no plans to do anything, or sort anything outside this stuff I've listed that he does. A HUGE ISSUE is that - I feel as if I am the parent and he is the child. His mother used to do everything for him, and it's as if he was never taught how to think about what needs doing. I find it unattractive.

We have a newborn baby and my days are absolutely packed with looking after the kids, yet I still manage to get stuff sorted. What I would really like him to do is to take ownership of some more stuff - like looking after the garden for instance. I would like for stuff to be done without me having to ask and nag....because he saw it and did it.

I used to have a professional career and I am worried about going back because I won't be able to manage it on top of what I do. We are no longer living in the fifties, surely men should now take on more of a partnership role??

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Baconyum · 29/04/2016 23:26

His standard response is:"You are better at that than me".

Ugh in other words 'strategic incompetence aka lazy bastarditis!

Misselthwaite · 30/04/2016 00:36

I can't say I've solved this one but DH is definitely better than most. I bought the book wifework and after a chapter or too he got what I was saying. I still do more at home but then I work part time. Reading your OP I don't think it sounds like you have particularly high expectations and I can understand your wanting to get stuff done in the house. Personally I would free up some of your time by not doing his washing and definitely not ironing his shirts to see how quickly he can get that if he doesn't do it then it doesn't happen.

I recommend wifework as a book because it helped me pinpoint issues and properly argue the point. For example you'll be accused of being petty for not doing his washing and ironing because you're no doubt doing everyone elses. But if his argument is that it takes so little time he won't mind doing his own will he?

Definitely don't do stuff like car insurance or anything like that. I know you'll be worried but if it bothers you so much just remind him on the day - you can insure a car on the day and he can do it and if you don't he'll have to.

Baconyum · 30/04/2016 01:19

I've not read wifework but understand it is approaching the issues of women doing the majority of housework childcare and household organisation?

But I think in ops case her husband isn't even willing to take on the responsibility of what was traditionally 'husbandwork' is pure laziness!

My parents have a very traditional setup in terms of chores/who does what in the running of the home, which I don't agree with BUT for all else my father is he was never lazy! He'd get in from work (for most of his career a manual job) and yes mum would be doing laundry, cooking etc but he'd sort finances, insurance, make phone calls to organise tradesmen when necessary (very practical himself so this was only when legally he wasn't allowed to eg fixing the gas boiler), and if it was things he could do he'd do so in the evenings, from changing plugs/fuses to building stuff, extensive car maintenance, gardening and external house maintenance. Plus he'd do things he considered wasn't right to expect a lady to do like putting the bins out.

totslepots · 30/04/2016 06:00

I feel for you hugely!
Reading 'wifework' was an eye opener for me, I was doing it all and not even married but have children. You living in a house that needs work and doing all of the DIY too sounds horrendous. You need to outsource the DIY. Whatever needs doing either gets done by him or paid for by someone else. My DP hated spending money so would start pulling his socks up at that. Also, write a list of every single job you do, even the planning and organising, then show it to him. I did this with DP and he had no idea of everything that needed doing in the house! Then say that you need to find solutions for some of the jobs because you can't do it all. Seeing everything in black and white was an eye opener for DP.

Ignore advice that tells you to write him lists of jobs week in week out, it's demoralising. What you need is for him to take some responsibility and for you to not have to nag! Wives don't enjoy nagging; people forget this.

LPickers · 03/05/2016 21:16

So far I am hugely impressed with the efforts he's making since our argument. We've had the ssme argument a lot, but this time he seems to be doing stuff. We will see how long it lasts. I remember this happened once before but it then all slipped off.

Anyway, so far over the last week he has vacuumed and washed both cars, bought a drill (way-hey!), bought a protective cover for the outside table and put it on! Bought paint to paint over rust patches on said table, emailed a gardener to try and organise one to cut hedges bsck for summer. Noticed tyres are liw on car and is talking about taking car to Kwikfit.

This is progress! Oh and he is now currently washing up.

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LongDaysHotNights · 03/05/2016 22:35

I feel your pain, I'm in a very similar position. Or I should say WAS. We have now separated. It's been a couple of months since I dropped the S bomb, we've been in separate rooms since but now I have a new place sorted.
I don't get it, there are so many people on various threads, all in much the same marriages. What is going on? Is this just what marriage is like?

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me4real · 07/07/2021 21:30

. The thing I don't get is how he does not keep any planning info in his head at all. He relies on me to keep all organising and planning in my head. He won't even remember when I've asked him to do something - in one ear, out the other.

@LPickers I'm not making excuses for him but that could be some ADHD, I'm the same with chores.

The 'you're better at it than me' is classic of a bloke trying to get out of stuff though- I'm heard they'll even deliberately do something badly so their partner feels they have to do it.

SarahDarah · 07/07/2021 21:50

@Wuffleflump

It sounds to me like you're doing a whole load of things that aren't necessary, and are important only to you.

Think about what really needs to be done.

What is the worst-case scenario if the hedges aren't trimmed immediately?

What is so bad about the kids having a good time while the house doesn't look perfect? Do you think the kids care?

And be honest with yourself: would you want to go on a holiday he planned? Are you really happy to go anywhere, do anything so long as he plans it? Or do you actually have a laundry list of requirements that will infuriate you if he doesn't think of them?

Kids need to be fed, educated, healthy and happy. That's a big enough job without piling extras on.

Agree with this. @LPickers Sounds like you're doing a load of unnecessary things and trying to be a 'perfect' parent with perfect home and you're building unfair resentment against your DH because of it. If things are messy, so what?! As long as things are hygienic and kids have their important needs taken care of, it doesn't matter. You should be able to do all the basics while your husband is out at work, and then get him to take the kids out for some time during the weekend so you have some downtime for yourself. A messy home won't affect them but a stressed out mum and dad who are arguing over inane things or parents who get divorced, will. Save the showhome/show garden for when the kids are older.

There's no way I would I have moved to a house that needs substantial DIY when I have young kids. Or if it needed DIY it would be the sort that's cosmetic/non urgent that husband could do when he gets round to it eventually. No way I would be doing diy on top. Stop doing the DIY!

Taliskerskye · 07/07/2021 22:32

Of course they don’t see it.
They’ve literally had their entire lives having other women pick up after them.
I wouldn’t see it if I had never had to do anything
You married someone who did sweet FA.
Suck it up is what I would do in your shoes

Evergibbon · 07/07/2021 23:34

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Shellady · 07/07/2021 23:54

@TheCrumpettyTree

He helps watch the kids

You talk like he's a babysitter. There is no 'helping' watch the kids when they're your own children. You're a parent. He should be fully capable of looking after them as you are as you're supposed to be a team.

Yes I agree , you’re language makes it sound like the assumption is the children are your responsibility and he is ‘ helping ‘ How does one help watch their own kids . Never heard anyone say that of a mother Also making his own lunch? Why is that in the list . It’s not a shared responsibility or your reposniavilty . It’s kind of like listing he wipes his own butt Smile I’d expect that as a fully grown adult he’d make his own lunch and I don’t understand why that’s listed under the jobs he constributes to.

It just seems like there is some underlying assumptions that these are women’s work or your responsibility and I’m sure he picks up on that
He should be doing half the work in the home and how you two decide who does what is up to you both to negotiate but childcare is not about one person helping the other , it’s a shared commitment
My husband used to try the old ‘ you do it better than me ‘ which is when I started saying ‘ yes that’s why you’ll now be doing that job, so you can become just as good at it ‘

Shellady · 07/07/2021 23:54

@Evergibbon

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Wannabegreenfingers · 08/07/2021 05:40

My ex-husband was like that. He's an ex for a reason. Men like this don't change.

timeisnotaline · 08/07/2021 05:51

You need to organise a holiday/weekend away, and tell him he’s only coming if he’s kept it up. But a partner not pulling his weight is no longer welcome on holidays with you.
I did a version of this- I said if I had to organise a holiday he’s not coming anymore, and if the holidays he’s organising aren’t properly organised- travel, location, accom, then I’m cancelling them and I don’t care if we lose all the money. The next two holidays were with his parents and to his friends wedding so he did not want them cancelled. He organised them.

pog100 · 08/07/2021 06:02

ZOMBIE ZOMBIE ZOMBIE

though predictably still very relevant

Shehasadiamondinthesky · 08/07/2021 06:30

I had a husband like that. I divorced him because I'm not an unpaid servant. I was the breadwinner too. I won't live with a man who doesn't pull his weight. Its intolerable.
At one point I was doing house, garden, all the DIY all the admin and driving two hours to work each way. He would spend ALL of his free time on his hobbies.
Now he's jobless on benefits living in a shitty bedsit. Not my problem any more.

updownroundandround · 08/07/2021 06:51

@LPickers

These 'men' are educated and intelligent people. They simply don't want to do housework/laundry/cleaning etc !

It's all in the language they use............

they see it as 'helping' you (i.e it's NOT their job !)Hmm

they 'can't' work the washing machine (so how the fuck can they drive/ operate any machinery ??)Hmm

if you have to 'ask', then you're 'nagging' Hmm but when they 'ask' you, then they're 'reminding' you Hmm

they refer to caring for their own children as 'babysitting' Hmm

Tell them to read THIS, and for heavens sake DON'T tolerate it !!!!

Why I Don't Help My Wife
Recently, I invited a friend over. Sipping coffee in my living room, the conversation turned from movies and sports to life. We are both about the same age, and both have been married for about the same amount of time. As we talked, I heard the loud clamoring of the dishwasher stop as it finished its final cycle. Excusing myself, I told my friend I must put away the dishes.My friend shot me a glance: a shock of disbelief, almost defensive in posture. He told me that it's great that I help out my wife, but that he doesn't bother. “Every time I do chores,” he said, “she doesn't have an ounce of gratitude. If she's not gonna thank me for helping her out, why should I even bother?” This startled me. I'm normally not a confrontational kind of guy. I don't like to talk about politics, and I usually keep my comments to myself. But this was too much. I couldn't contain myself.“Look man, I said, I'm not 'helping her out. My wife doesn't need 'help.' She needs a partner. The two of us are a team.” He started to reply, trying to explain what he meant by the comment, but I stopped him, continuing:I don't “help” my wife clean the house. We keep our house clean because we both live here and want the house to be clean. I clean the house because it's where I live, and my wife isn't a maid, but a partner.I don't “help” my wife cook because it's not her job to cook and my job to eat. We both live here, we both need to eat, and in order for us to eat, the cooking needs to be done.I don't “help” my wife do the dishes because they're my dishes, too. I eat off them, just like her, and it's in both of our interests to have them be cleaned.I don't “help” my wife with her children because they're my children, too. They need a mother and they need a father, and raising them is both of our jobs.I don't “help” my wife clean, fold clothes, do laundry, or any other chores because they aren't only “hers,” but mine.I'm not only a “help,” a hired hand that helps my wife out on occasion in exchange for a “thank you,” a kiss, or sex. I am a part of the house.Then, I turned back to my friend, his face tense with embarrassment. I was now in my full preacher mode, and it was time to charge my audience with conviction. I asked him “do you thank your wife every time she cleans the house?” He clamored to defend himself, but I continued: “I'm not talking about a half-baked “thanks” that you mutter from across the room, but actually looking her in her eye and saying that you appreciate that she worked all day to help you take care of your home!” “Do you look her in the eye and tell her she's fantastic, beautiful, the best thing that ever happened to you and that she means the world to you?” “Do you tell her how much you love that she keeps your house clean?”You should not “help” your wife with the chores in exchange for some kind of prize. What prize does she get for helping you out? You need to get out of this “Leave it to Beaver” mentality, step out of TV Land, and step up and be a real husband.My friend stood speechless, flabbergasted, fumbling to find an excuse. I shrunk in slight embarrassment for a moment, even though I knew it had to be said.I spoke again to break the silence: “I'm just saying man, your wife doesn't owe you anything. She's not your “help,” and you should treat her like an equal partner.”Many of us were raised in home with mothers who waited on us hand in foot. We took their help for granted, because they had to raise us and take care of us. But your wife is not your mother. She's not raising you, and you're not a child. Marriage is an equal partnership. Your wife is not your mother, and she's not there to take care of you.You are there to take care of each other, to have a house together, raise children together, and form an equal partnership. That means each of you carrying your share of the load, and thanking each other for help. Macho culture would make you think that everything is your wife's job, but there's nothing macho about this. It's the behavior of a child who needs to be taken care of, not an adult who can provide in a partnership.Imagine a child who constantly demands help from his mother, constantly makes messes, and never thanks her for anything. That's basically how you act towards your wife. That might be acceptable for a young infant, but not for an adult. So thank your wife for what she does, and make sure that you carry an equal share of the load, helping her in any way possible.When you make a mess, you shouldn't expect your wife to clean it up. It's your job to clean up your own messes. You both live there, you're not “helping” her with anything because it's your home.Likewise, it's not her job to constantly cook. In my home, I always do the cooking, because I'm good at it.These “traditional” roles were sold to us by fictional television. They say nothing about the reality of marriage. If you step all over your wife like Homer Simpson, you are on a one-way street to a divorce.So to everyone out there who is concerned about their own masculinity, if you want to be a macho man, stop acting like a child and making your wife do all the work and chores. Thank her, and do your part to contribute.

Newstaronhorizon · 08/07/2021 08:26

Women: before you even move in with someone draw up a contract around the kitchen table with a piece of paper with daily, weekly, monthly and yearly written at the top.

Go through everything together and put initials by who does what and when and stick it on the fridge door.

When you have DC they can 'own' jobs too as soon as they are old enough. Never nag but keep it jolly and happy.

Never ever cook, clean or do laundry for someone unless it is mutually reciprocated and you are respected for what you do. It is toxic to your mental health to be taken for granted.

If your partner is selfish and thoughtless do not clean, cook or do their laundry!

Make sure it is always give and take and this is extremely important for any DC you have to see.

Doing everything for someone is horrendous without give and take as it makes them entitled and poor role models for the next generation.

Feign injury or illness if you have to see if they are capable of being selfless or considerate!

Good luck!

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