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Husband and female friends

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SmilingSadLady · 11/04/2016 15:24

I've name changed for this. Been around a while, had a lot of support in a difficult pregnancy and a couple of people from that board know me in real life. This is a long post. It's helpful just to write it all out sometimes.

My husband and I have been together for 4 years and have two children. At the very beginning of our relationship, he lied about contact with an ex-girlfriend. I rang him one evening and he said he was on the tube, but his voice didn’t sound right and at that time phone reception underground was awful, there was no wifi at stations, so I thought he was being dishonest. I then found out through Facebook, that he, together with several other people, had dinner with his ex girlfriend who was only in the country briefly. She had called him on a previous visit when he was at my home, asking to meet him and he said no. He admitted he had been out with her and a group of people but said he lied to avoid upsetting me. He then subsequently omitted to tell me about other female friends and would arrange to meet for lunch without telling me. I told him early on that I expected to be introduced to his friends and that it was the secrecy and lying (eg simply not mentioning it or saying he is somewhere else) that I find hurtful. The ex-girlfriend and I later met and she is very likeable.

We hit a rough patch in our marriage when I was pregnant with our second child and it has only recently started to improve. Two big stressors were his unemployment and my postnatal depression. I felt unable to have a proper break from work (I am self-employed) after our child was born and ended up doing work that was very stressful and often distressing which I am sure made things worse in terms of recovering. I resented him for putting us in this situation, even though it is not all his fault. I also felt very upset over the state of our sex life, which was really difficult to have a conversation about. In essence, he lost interest in me when I was pregnant and after months of trying to rekindle something, I just gave up as well.

About six weeks ago I had a sense he was keeping something from me and asked several times. He denied anything. I then found out that he was secretly watching porn on his computer. I know a lot of men do this but I had previously discovered porn, told him how I felt about it and he promised not to do it again. I also discovered that he is having lots of conversations with another female friend. He was at university with her and they have a lot of common interests. I have never been completely convinced that he isn't romantically interested in her. When we were first together, I accidentally found a present he bought for her birthday and a card which he hid from me, instead of just leaving where we'd leave things to take to the post office and his furtiveness made me suspicious. She is young and attractive and has been depressed recently. I found out that on several occassions he has sent us the same photgraph, of a lovely view, of something lovely he has seen on a walk, but with different messages. My perception was that messages to her are usually warmer than the ones to me. He also sent her a message on Valentine’s Day, sending ‘love and light’. He signs all his texts to her ‘with love and light’. The tone is friendly but they often seem romantic (not sexual) to me. I have some male friends, a couple are close confidantes and I wouldn't send them messages of love on Valentine's Day or send them texts about how beautiful the moon is.

Right at the beginning of our relationship, we had a conversation about the type of messages I would and wouldn't find acceptable. He had lied about seeing another female friend and told me he was meeting 'people' he used to work with. After meeting the friend, singular, female, he sent her a message saying how stunning she looked, what a head turner etc and I said, look, if you are going out with me, that isn't really on.

After my recent discovery, I confronted him about the porn and about the messages. He said the female friend was ‘vulnerable’ and had been unwell and he was supporting her. I found out too that he speaks to her on Skype regularly with our youngest child. We are often both at home at the same time and have computers in a shared study. He has never called her on Skype or mentioned calling her, even in passing, when I am at home.

To complicate it (in my mind) this friend is a godmother to our youngest child. She didn’t attend the christening because of her mental health issues, but wrote saying she was pleased to be involved in our tradition, even though she has no religious beliefs. I was totally blown away by this. We are church goers and faith is an important part of our lives. I have some very good friends who I consider important role models in my children’s lives but who I would not have asked to be godparents because of their different faiths or none. I felt very upset when I found this out and thought it was more about their friendship that about our child and I felt weirdly excluded.

I have had some problems with my physical health and am having some investigations to see if I might be having a premature menopause. It’s been quite tough and last week there was a day when I felt really unwell. On that particular day, my husband took the dog for a walk and then said he wasn’t able to come out with me because he had some work to do. Today I discovered that he was phoning his female friend from the dog walk and Skyping her, ‘to support her’ while I was feeling like shit and running errands. He completely omitted to tell me that he had been in touch with her.

To put it in context, we were both married before. His marriage split up because his affair (the same ex-girlfriend he met for dinner secretly at the beginning of our relationship), was discovered. My ex-husband and I speak perhaps a couple of times each year. Last week, the husband of a mutual friend died unexpectedly and I contacted him to tell him. I mentioned it to my husband and also told him I had emailed my ex-husband some contact details. I feel I make efforts to be transparent and give him no reason to distrust me.

This morning I told him I was cross he lied to me last week. I feel annoyed because we have been paying for additional childcare, so that he can fill in job applications without having to look after the children. It pisses me off that he then uses this time to watch porn or send romantic sounding messages ‘I send you the stars’ to female friends. He told me that he and this friend have 'always' sent each other messages like that and told me I could read them all. I don't want to read them. I want to be able to trust him and I don't want my husband to send romantic sounding messages to other women and have secret conversations with them.

I have what therapists would probably call 'trust issues'. My father was (is) a compulsive liar and when I was growing up often lied to me, to others in front of me and often told me I was lying when I wasn't. I was also lied to in quite an extreme way in a significant relationship as an adult, when my partner seriously misrepresented himself and almost everything he had told me about himself turned out to be a fabrication.

Am I over reacting? I feel betrayed and hurt, again and I just want to sound a few people out.

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SmilingSadLady · 11/04/2016 16:47

opensideno he's never been particularly interested in sex, at least not in sex with me, but that has been better recently. The porn he looks at is heterosexual. I'm sure he is not gay. He is romantic, good with gifts, remembering cards etc, although this past year he hasn't bothered with times like our wedding anniversary or Easter (to be fair, I didn't bother getting him a card or egg at Easter either) and hasn't bought flowers since forever, so I am hurt that he has sent 'special cheering up presents' to this friend.

I don't think he is gay, but I do think he has a problem with intimacy. I think he gets addicted to the chase and that he gets something out of behaving so romantically. I keep thinking that if only I could work it out, I could work this relationship out and we would be ok.

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FredaMayor · 11/04/2016 16:48

You are married to a man who is a cheat and lies to women, OP. He will be telling OW that your marriage is ailing/dead and that he is only staying for the children. Spiritually he has left you already, I know that must be hard to hear but his behaviour is the evidence. 'He has not done those things that he ought to have done'.

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SmilingSadLady · 11/04/2016 16:49

Anyfucker do you think it could be an emotional affair if she is such a longstanding friend? It looks like one to me, but his 'we've always been like that' over 12 years makes me less sure.

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AnyFucker · 11/04/2016 16:50

well, from what you have said the only way this relationship could be ok is if you turned into a different person every few years

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SmilingSadLady · 11/04/2016 16:51

FredaMayor I don't think he is saying that. I am sure there isn't another woman in a sexual sense, I just feel betrayed that he is secretive and romantically close and confiding with his so-called friends. If it was an obvious physical affair, it would be easier, I would end the marriage and it would be clear cut. This feels messier and confuses me.

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SmilingSadLady · 11/04/2016 16:52

Anyfucker what do you mean? Do you think he gets bored? I wondered why the presents had stopped (he still buys me books) but I wasn't sure why things were 'cooler' between us.

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opensideno7 · 11/04/2016 16:53

smilingsadlady

My comment was mainly tongue in cheek, no real bloke will be sending wishy washy shite about the beauty of the moon (unless he is trying to get in her pants)

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AnyFucker · 11/04/2016 16:55

of course it is an emotional affair

he is giving more of himself to that relationship than he is to you, who is meant to be his life partner

whatever label you put on it though, is this what you envisaged when you got together...you as second rate and some OW getting the best of him ?

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SmokyJoJo · 11/04/2016 16:56

Hi OP I didn't (need to) read your entire post.

What exactly do you get from this relationship?

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Jan45 · 11/04/2016 16:56

You don't even know if there hasn't been sexual contact and even if there hasn't (not through is lack of trying), he is treating you APPALLINGLY op, can you not see that?

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FredaMayor · 11/04/2016 16:59

I want to be able to trust him and I don't want my husband to send romantic sounding messages to other women and have secret conversations with them.

I'm sure you do, OP, but that is not the reality you describe. I am really surprised you think the relationship it not sexual, here is man who had at least one affair whilst still living with his wife, watches porn and messages women as a lover.

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Goingtobeawesome · 11/04/2016 16:59

Love and light is so wanky I'd go off him for that tbh

You are worth more than this.

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SmilingSadLady · 11/04/2016 16:59

No, this isn't what I envisaged when we got together.

I do feel badly treated, but in other regards, he treats me well. He cooks, is good with the children, we have fun.

I love him, but I don't want to live with someone who thinks this is ok.

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AnyFucker · 11/04/2016 17:00

OP, my marriage makes me feel happy. It makes me feel secure, it makes me feel safe. I know that my husband does not transfer his romantic attentions elsewhere, they are saved for me.

Yours does not do the same. It's not ok for me and it's not ok for you.

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NeckingtheNightNurse · 11/04/2016 17:00

He is acting incredibly hurtful towards you. Stand up for yourself stop doubting yourself and trust your gut instincts on on this. Your radar is bang on I think !

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opensideno7 · 11/04/2016 17:00

Love and light is so wanky I'd go off him for that tbh

Absolutely sounds like a total fanny!!

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goddessofsmallthings · 11/04/2016 17:01

My father was (is) a compulsive liar and when I was growing up often lied to me, to others in front of me and often told me I was lying when I wasn't

You've married your father, or a man who's as near as dammit to him as it's possible to get, and the fact that you had a previous "significant" relationship with another man who used fiction to disguise his faults suggests that you need therapeutic help to break the destructive cycle you've allowed yourself to perpetuate.

Why on earth did you agree to a woman with mental health problems that prevented her from attending the christening become godparent to your infant dc? Has she met her godchild who will be raised in a religion that she doesn't ascribe to or believe in, and did she send a christening gift with accompanying card?

As for the porn loving liar, you must know that it's merely a matter of time before his history repeats itself and he ups and leaves for one of his numerous ow.. Do you intend to wait until he abandons you, or do you have it in you to ditch his sorry arse now and spare yourself untold misery waiting for the inevitable to happen?

If you stay with this deceitful and disrespectful man you'll find yourself doubting the very ground under your feet. It will take years before you're able to reintegrate yourself, and there's no telling what damage will be inflicted on your dc through being exposed to a model of fatherhood that's no different to the one you had.

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TubbyTabby · 11/04/2016 17:02

your whole situation with him is way too much work.
i'd have ditched him long ago.
i suggest you do just that.

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Jan45 · 11/04/2016 17:02

I just can't get my head around the fact that you seem to be able to forget the fact he is going after other women right under your nose and you say you have fun - sounds the complete opposite to me living with a creep that does this kind of stuff. I think you are in denial, possibly he has conditioned you slightly to believe he is doing nothing wrong, and yes, love and light - really?

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SmilingSadLady · 11/04/2016 17:02

Oh dear. I thought someone on here would say, 'you crazy, jealous woman, stop fussing,' but it isn't me overreacting at all, is it?

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NeckingtheNightNurse · 11/04/2016 17:03

He is acting incredibly hurtful towards you. Stand up for yourself stop doubting yourself and trust your gut instincts on on this. Your radar is bang on I think !

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SmokyJoJo · 11/04/2016 17:03

Do you really want to feel constantly on edge in this relationship? You'll fall apart & disappear. You'll always be wondering who he's texting/skyping.

Your children will pick up on the anxiety & misery.

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SmilingSadLady · 11/04/2016 17:10

Jan45 very hard to forget. I cry a lot.

Godessofsmallthings Why on earth did you agree to a woman with mental health problems that prevented her from attending the christening become godparent to your infant dc? Has she met her godchild who will be raised in a religion that she doesn't ascribe to or believe in, and did she send a christening gift with accompanying card?
She came to stay and was lovely to the children. She has been friends with my husband for a long time. I didn't suspect anything. He didn't tell me she didn't believe in God. That 'came out' while she was staying with us. We had a huge argument about it because I feel it undermined my faith and all our reasons for having christenings and godparents and he refused to 'unask' her saying it made him uncomfortable and she was 'already asked'. She had also bought a lovely christening gift. She called him the week before the christening to say she was unwell. He didn't tell me until two days before. A month later I found out she has had some sort of breakdown. I sent her a card at the time. This was about 9 months ago. He has been 'supporting' her since.

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SmilingSadLady · 11/04/2016 17:10

SmokyJoJo I am already disappearing.

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Buzzardbird · 11/04/2016 17:13

He likes his little harem doesn't he?

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