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Trying not to analyse fwb situ but can't help it... long!

49 replies

hyperjoules · 04/04/2016 21:08

Been seeing a man since late last year. Tinder match. We are both early 30s. From my side it is a booty call situation - we are very very compatible in bed and get on well in general too. We have agreed that the relationship is not "serious", it's all above board. I'm fairly recently out of a marriage and need space/time to be me. He is never married and is definitely a bachelor type. I have a young DS who is with me 70% of the time. DS has not met this man, no plans to.

Anyway. At first this man was definitely, obviously only after sex, which is fine since so was I. During this time, I told this man that I had kicked another man to the curb for attempting to pressure me into an exclusive relationship. We laughed about this at the time. (this is important later.)

As it happened, after the first ~6 weeks, he cancelled plans twice in a week, with little notice, and I felt that he was taking the piss. So I broke it off with him completely. He seemed properly shocked. I think he thought he could be half arsed and that I would just take it.

Within a month, however, we ended up in bed together again, at my instigation and with me ripping the piss out of him good naturedly for almost managing to fuck up what was a near ideal fwb situation.

That was 2-3 months ago and it's been very enjoyable since. We see each other twice a week usually. I keep appropriate emotional distance and expect very little from him besides happy, sexy company. I have other men on the go. I am very fond of him though, he is certainly my favourite.

But ever since I reset things, from then on, I've noticed that his behaviour has changed:
He never, EVER backs out of plans (he knows better now I suppose!), will drag himself to see me even when he is visibly ill or exhausted
Will rarely allow me to just come over for a shag but will instead plan a dinner out first
Won't shut up - wants to talk a lot, when I would prefer to jump into bed after said dinner
Doesn't like me to leave his house after said shag, wants me to stay over whenever possible
Buys me small gifts constantly
Never lets a day go by without contact (phone/text/email)
Brings food/sweets round on nights that I have DS and can't leave house
Fixes things in my house without being asked
Keeps a stash of things at his house for me (toothbrush, food that I like and he doesn't) without being asked
Never shows up empty handed in general
Has started to ask if I will travel with him. On conferences, on trips that he has planned for 6 months from now, etc.
Tried to engineer a meeting between me and one of his close friends (I weaseled out because it felt wrong somehow)
Constantly mentions that he has talked to his friends about me ("I told so and so you said...") etc.
Seems to make a point of texting me pics of himself holding his friends' babies/children??
Asks after my son and family and friends, by name, recalling all the details I mention about them

The way he talks has also changed... we took our first overnight trip together recently and on said trip, he asked me when I plan to legally divorce my ex, whether I plan to marry again, what kind of man I think I might marry. I didn't realise the possible subtext at the time, replied that I thought I might one day marry someone older than me -- he replied that he didn't think so, that I'd marry someone my age (e.g. him!). It was this most recent conversation that made me think wait, what is going on here?

He says more and more lovely things to me as well, staring into my eyes etc., but I ignore that since it's easy to say nice things, it's more the actions that have me wondering. (e.g. when he tells me he likes me etc., I just say thank you.)

Is it possible that this is him following a script of what he assumes a woman likes to see/hear from a man? I just seems vanishingly unlikely to me that he has really developed feelings for me, since this started out as a pure hookup situation, he took the piss at the beginning, I have a small child, etc. etc. However, I find myself worrying a little about what might be going on in his head, since a) I don't want to hurt him, he's genuinely lovely and b) I don't want to be hurt myself!

I would just talk to him about it... but I have tried before and he just sort of avoids answering properly. Which makes me think that he is just playing out a script of "what the laydeez like to hear", that it's sort of part of a game. However, my best friend disagrees with me and thinks he is love struck but too scared to attempt an exclusivity/defining things talk... because he thinks I will drop him like I did the man mentioned earlier.

Opinions? Surely fwbs generally stay fwbs. And if they do develop it's more the woman who gets attached. Or is that just a stereotype?

OP posts:
DrMorbius · 05/04/2016 14:13

Slowdeceased -
I wouldn't worry. This board is full of stories of fabulously gallant men who just as equally fuck off into the sunset
Lots of men like to "model" a relationship without having the responsibility of one - sounds textbook to be
I think this is most mens ideal 'loveless' situation tbh. Hallmarks of a relationship with no comittmemt at all I wouldn't worry about him

Sorry Slow how could I have been so insensitive as to think you were a stereotypical man hater. When you write such unbiased eloquence. Biscuit please accept my most humble apology.

huskylover · 05/04/2016 15:29

But you are in a relationship with him. It's just not a monogamous one, that's the only difference that I can see. You have decided to file him under "fwb", but you behave as though you are a couple.

And can I ask, why are you "dating" if you don't want a relationship? Do these men that you arrange dates with, actually know this? Because for all of the guys who are seeking a ltr/soul mate, you are really just wasting their time.

If these other "dates" are men that you are meeting, with a view to adding more men into the "fwb pool", how many men do you think you can realistically juggle? How you would find the time, when you are raising a family is beyond me.

Of course, it is entirely your choice, if you want to sleep with an array of men, but please don't underestimate, the negative effect that this may have on your emotional health. You may end up feeling quite low, using and being used for sex by these men, when none of them ever end up wanting you for you, and they stop seeing you, once they find a woman they want to commit to. I am speaking from experience, btw. I myself have had a few "fwb" and after several months, I did question how we could have so much fun, great sex and yet still he never fell in love with me. It makes you feel a bit shit actually, and quite disposable. You are the person being used as a filler, until The One comes along. Because you're not good enough to be The One.

It all sounds good on paper, but I just don't think it's emotionally healthy.

FWIW, the fact that you have analysed his actions in so much detail, makes me suspect that you are starting to attach emotionally. How do you feel, when you imagine him having sex with another woman? That may tell you quite a lot.

Slowdecrease · 05/04/2016 15:36

you've clearly not looked at any of my comments on any other threads morbius so yeh, whatevs Smile

Slowdecrease · 05/04/2016 15:40

I stand by what I said most men not looking for love would be pretty happy with this set up and nothing wrong with that. Ones wanting loving long term not so much I'm sure, but the ones in a Fwb - They can enjoy all the posturing of a relationship without the comittmemt, which suits OP as she's enjoying it. Which bit is the man hating bit? Check all my posts on other threads , get yourself a big humble pie eating spoon, pull up a seat and get chomping .

DrMorbius · 05/04/2016 16:12

Slowdeceased

Why on earth would I troll through your previous posts, when I can read your comments on this one.

I don't eat pie, As you get older, it's easy to pile the pounds on, if your not careful Shock

Roussette · 05/04/2016 16:16

I can honestly imagine the posts if the OP was a man talking about a woman he was seeing. He'd be slated and told to be honest, tell her how you feel, stop stringing her along etc etc.

OP, he sounds nice. It's good you don't want to hurt him but it is a bit much allowing him to pick you up after dates. If he's more keen on you, than you are on him, that is torture.

There's nothing wrong with a fwb relationship, I had one for years a long time ago when it suited me. But it was very equal. I'm not sure your relationship is... well, it can't be or you wouldn't be posting

Slowdecrease · 05/04/2016 16:20

Quite right, no need for an informed opiniion before labelling me a man hater Morbs , as you were. For what it's worth, I find the men who spends their days on the wind up on mumsnet good sport Smile

DrMorbius · 05/04/2016 17:03

Slowdeath who said I was a man?

SolidGoldBrass · 05/04/2016 17:11

The most dangerous sex myth of all is the one that women can't have lots of sex with different men without 'emotional damage'. Having lots of different sexual partners actually hones your radar well to the point where you will spot a dickhead, a predator or an abuser much faster and kick him to the curb, whereas if you have bought into all the bullshit about women 'needing' to be loved and to only have sex in committed relationship, you are much more likely to hang on to/put up with an arsehole, because you have had or are having sex with him therefore you need to 'work on the relationship'.

MistressDeeCee · 05/04/2016 17:54

OP you want a relationship with this man. You have a FWB - nothing wrong with that, if thats what you truly want. But its not what you truly want thats why you're umming and aahing over this man. & in addition to that, you are also dating. I don't get the feeling you are dating these other men for fun. You seem to need male company a lot.. why the need for so much male input into your life? Its all very well multi-dating , sleeping with different men if you are happy to do so and can hack it, why not? But really it just sounds as if you're on a merry go round you don't particularly want to be on. Why not step off all that for a bit see where it goes with this one but ask him what the deal is sooner rather than later, instead of aiming to 2nd guess him? Just seems as if you are making things more complicated than they need to be for yourself whats the point? You know you are becoming emotionally attached to him. Ask him. & gauge where you are by his reply and reactions. All's a risk in life and love

spudlike1 · 05/04/2016 19:22

He's fallen in love with you .
Simple

honeyandmarmitesandwiches · 05/04/2016 20:05

Just because it started out as a friends with benefits situation and you have a young child etc, doesn't mean it can't develop into something more (in his eyes) or that he's following a script here...from the list you posted it sounds very much like he's developed feelings for you and would like it to be more of a relationship. Thoughtful gestures and making the effort in a lot of ways - why would he bother doing that if it wasn't genuine?
Maybe the 'reset' was a bit of a wake up call and made him think about you differently. You showed your boundaries and that can be really attractive in itself. So I would assume he wants more than fwb whether or not he's actually saying that, his actions speak loudly. Do you think you would be open to that or are you firmly in the fwb zone with him? If so you probably need to let him know that very clearly and scale back on seeing him or even stop, much as that might be difficult, because he could end up really hurt if not. And maybe you will miss him more than you think? Give yourself a chance to have the space to think things over and see if you do miss him maybe. You say he's lovely and he appears to be treating you very well so there could be potential, unless a relationship is out of the question for you.

SoThatHappened · 05/04/2016 21:18

Mine did this. I got sick of him and walked and he behaved as yours did. I developed feelings for him.

Only to dump me for a real gf.

He was only worried about losing the opportunity to shag me in the meantime and realised he had to behave decently.

Daenerys2 · 05/04/2016 21:29

Sounds like he's in love with you.

Interestingly, if a man had written this about a woman I think he'd be getting slated on here!

SoThatHappened · 05/04/2016 21:46

I don't agree he is necessarily falling for the OP. He might be.

There are two possibilities.

  1. He is developing feelings.

Or

  1. When you dropped him he realised he had to behave himself if he wanted to keep having sex with you and / or he is no longer getting it elsewhere so you're his only option.

50/50 chance of either being the case.

If you want to know you need to ask.

LovePGtipsMonkey · 05/04/2016 23:32

honestly, who talks about marriage, asks an FWB about a man she'd like to marry, send her PHOTOS of him holding babies? Come on, no one will go this far just to keep having an fwb with a woman.

I think he's got completely obsessed - and that picking you up from dates, OP, is very unhealthy as he is scared to death of losing you and MUST make sure after each of your dates that you aer back with him. Be careful, I say - this way his obsession/madness lies - unless of course you do secretly want a relationship, in which case be open about it and give it a proper chance.

If he knows you will give a r-ship a chance, he'll stop obsessing and then you can see whether he actually loves/cares about you, rather than fixating someone unobtainable.

LovePGtipsMonkey · 05/04/2016 23:33

'fixating ON someone'.

hyperjoules · 06/04/2016 01:16

So many different opinions here, I think I am slightly more confused than I was when I started the thread...

But really it just sounds as if you're on a merry go round you don't particularly want to be on.

?? I'm not sure what gives that impression... I enjoy his company and the company of other men too (not 1000s of them, I am seeing him and one other man at this moment, that could change tomorrow of course). I like men!! They are lovely creatures. All the more reason to want to protect their feelings where possible. If only they would tell me what their fecking feelings are!

I disagree with a pp who said that a "rule" of fwb is not to be open emotionally... I am always open to discussing emotions, I try to be as warm and loving as I can (without being overbearing) since I'm very aware that people are sensitive creatures.

ask him what the deal is sooner rather than later, instead of aiming to 2nd guess him?

But I have tried to get him to talk to me about this, he won't?? More than once, even. That's precisely why I am second guessing.

For example I said to him recently that I was afraid I was going to hurt his feelings with our relationship. He replied "don't worry about me, feelings grow back". Lol. What on earth am I meant to say to that?

You know you are becoming emotionally attached to him.

Of course I am emotionally attached to him. That goes without saying, I trust him and am fond of him, if I didn't I wouldn't have much fun having sex with him. But an emotional attachment isn't a good enough reason to start a committed monogamous relationship surely? I'm emotionally attached to many people in my life...??

A pp asked how I would feel if he slept with another woman... he did sleep with another woman a month or two ago and reported back on how disappointing it was, I wanted to hear the goss tbh! I don't pin my value on being anyone's one and only... marriage inoculated me against that I think...

As I write here, I feel like I am talking from a more polyamorous perspective... perhaps I am inching into that identity. Whereas on MN, things are generally pretty monogamy-minded. Sigh. I wonder if eventually he will open up a little and propose a poly sort of setup. That I could cope with, as long as he didn't also want to live together.

All this speculation. Anyway, I will let things continue as they are and show him all the love and affection I usually do, and hope that he eventually feels able to tell me what's going on in his head...

OP posts:
hyperjoules · 06/04/2016 01:21

I've looked at my OP and maybe where I said I "keep emotional distance", that's where the disconnect comes in... I do keep distance in that if I have a horrible day or an argument with my exH, I don't lean on this man. I'll mention it to him, but I don't demand emotional caretaking from him.

Similar with him, if something bad happens on a day, he'll tell me about it, but won't require that I soothe his brow etc.

But we do talk about emotions and of course I am tender towards him. As I am with all my friends. I just don't lean on him in that you-are-my-rock, DP/DH way, and he doesn't lean back on me, if that makes sense.

OP posts:
MistressDeeCee · 06/04/2016 06:05

What gives that impression OP is, you are writing reams about this man but within that aiming to depict you are playing it cool, including "keeping emotional distance". You asked for opinions, what did you think would be the general consensus anyway?

You've picked out stuff people have said, and contradicted it. Whats the point of that? It could go on and on, couldn't it? You've had many opinions already. Its your man you should be talking to at this stage

Slowdecrease · 06/04/2016 12:54

Morbs - I dunno, not me?

Slowdecrease · 06/04/2016 13:00

Why thé need to know what's going on in his head? It seems he's ok bumbling along whilst your trying to categorise your 'relationship' status...me thinks you doth protest too much. As 'So' said she has first hand experience of this set up.

LovePGtipsMonkey · 07/04/2016 00:50

so he's so keen on you because you don't burden him with the need for emotional support yet give him all the easy/fun/warm side like a relationship would - well that's heaven for many men they can only dream of such a scenario! the issue is, he think that's what you aer like full stop - and would be if married, so now he's fantasising about marriage without knowing you fully! I think you need to be very straight and stop his being in awe if you don't want him to get carried away/fantasise regarding marriage and babies with you!

CockacidalManiac · 07/04/2016 00:59

I also think that he's falling in love with you.

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