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ExP coercing child (long)

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SaintEyning · 04/04/2016 14:57

My exP with whom I have DS (6) - carried out emotional, physical and financial abuse toward me when we were together. His mother was totally complicit in this and threatened to have DS taken off me the night I had her son arrested for violent assault of me and his 4 month old son.

The antagonism has continued on a pretty much weekly basis for those 5.5 years since we separated for one spurious reason or another. I have had him warned by my sol for harassment.

Since September, DS has been going to a club one day after school, arranged by his dad (with my initial agreement) and which his paternal grandmother collects him from as the childminder can't be expected to accommodate it along with the other kids she looks after. DS told me just after Christmas that GM was not nice to him when she collected him (no surprise), was bullying or ignoring him and he ate his dinner alone in the kitchen with the TV on while GM and GF watched TV in the living room and study, respectively. However, he did not want to stop his club.

Roll on Easter holidays and further assertions by DS that he really doesn't want to go to GM's after club, will give up club in order not to have to go there. Also - and I realise I can do nothing about this - he has been left at GM's overnight when in his dad's care (has him 2 nights a week, alternating Thu/Fri and Sat/Sun) which he hated. He asked to text his dad to say that he did not want to stay at GM's again as his dad did not believe me when I told him - then when his dad still did not believe him, rang his dad to tell him.

I am well aware that exP is terrified of his mother and will not be passing the message along. I told him that DS has asked to stop club and will be going back to childminder from next week. Cue abusive message from GM, accusing me of treating her like a dogsbody (? - I never made the arrangement for the club, it was his dad's idea and certainly isn't in any way helping me out - if she had said no to collecting after club, DS would not have gone and would still be at CM's) and saying that it wasn't worth collecting DS just to feed him as it meant she could not make arrangements to see her friends on that day (she is 2 years retired).

I got a call this morning from DS who has been with his dad Sat/Sun, saying he wanted to stop going to the CM and wanted to go to GM's every day. I told him we would talk later but that the CM was expecting him and - for his dad's benefit as I knew he was listening - that I would be turning up at GM's to get him and I would not be alone, if daddy took him there instead of CM.

CM emailed me to say that DS v upset had arrived at hers and told her he wanted to go to her house and not GM's, that daddy had made him tell me that and he didn't mean it.

Would this fall under the definition of coercive control in the new law? I know I can't stipulate what he does with DS when he is there, but when he is supposed to be returned to my care (or CM in my place), I can feel they are building up to trying to take DS off me for real.

Sorry it's so long - thanks for reading and hope it makes sense. There may be drip feeds or I can refer you to my old old threads from 2010 when I was first assaulted.

Flowers
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MinnieF1 · 05/04/2016 01:10

I'd be making an application to the court if I were you. Your poor ds. His dad and GM sound like a right pair of rat bastards.

This is emotional abuse. It is true that cafcass usually ignore a child's wishes until that child is 10/11 (which is utter madness). However, UN convention on the rights of the child, and many documents released by our government state that ALL children have the right to make disclosures, and to be protected from future abuse. So CAFCASS's stance on this is contradictory to legislation.

I'm sure if you got a shit hot solicitor/barrister than you could put a case together (if you have the finances).

Does your ds want to stop seeing his dad, or just his GM? I'd be suspending contact from now on so your exP doesn't have the opportunity to poison your poor ds.

MinnieF1 · 05/04/2016 01:11

Your DS's conversation with his CM would be a disclosure of emotional abuse in this scenario.

SaintEyning · 05/04/2016 08:30

Thank you all for your overnight responses. I spoke to the CM this morning when I dropped DS off - she has written up his comments and I've said I will request a meeting with the SENCO at school. They're not great at pastoral stuff but I agree that it is important for DS to feel that he has lots of safe spaces to say how he feels.

I will tell his dad that contact will be suspended for the foreseeable and he can do the legal running. I don't have funds to do much other than a few hours with a solicitor and will have to self represent (which doesn't worry me as I have a law degree).

This is coming at the same time as some other particularly stressful personal circumstances and a busy time at work but what doesn't kill you, eh..?!

I want to put DS' welfare first at all times and this pattern of disregard of his wishes has been building for a few months now. ExP can't stand up to his mother on his own behalf or on DS', so I will have to.

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Hissy · 05/04/2016 08:34

Good point Minnie!

Get your child out of this abuse love, it's that simple.

MinnieF1 · 05/04/2016 09:05

Feel free to inbox me OP. I have been through the family court system with an abusive ex so if you ever need any advice, or just to rant away, then you're most welcome to message me.

bibliomania · 05/04/2016 10:58

If it does go to the court, it will help a lot if you have third party evidence of the distress caused to your ds. Your exH and his mother will portray you as making it all up out of spite, so it really helps if it's more than just your unsupported word. School, childminder, your gp etc. Concentrate on creating a very strong trail of evidence.

Best case scenario, they'll decide it's not worth the effort and expense and turn their backs on you and your ds (doubtless badmouthing you all the way, but heigh ho, let them).

RandomMess · 05/04/2016 12:34

Hopefully as you stance will be that you will facilitate contact with his father but not his dm due to her behaviour it will very much go in your favour.

KOKO

SaintEyning · 05/04/2016 16:04

Flowers Flowers for all your great suggestions. Thank you for your input. I feel much more confident of protecting DS now.

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