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When love isnt enough to save a relationship

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misszp · 15/02/2016 12:52

I cant believe I am writing this, yet when I see other peoples posts, who are in far longer term, more committed relationships, married with kids etc I can't help but still feel like 'but no one understands what I am going through!!!' cries into pillow. Clearly - I am not the only one to have ever had to mend a broken heart!

To give some background. I have been with my (now ex) boyfriend six years, but we have known each other a while longer. We were together when we were younger, but needed time to 'grow up'. We ended up back together again two years later. It was almost fairytale like - Boy meets Girl again, and their love is untouched! swoooonnn.

We are (were) close. My best friend, my companion, my rock, my grounding, my 'go to', my happiness, and good looking to boot. I thought we had it made, having lived together for three years, and almost, roughly on a similar journey - wanting to put holidays, life, celebrations, growing up, before committing to kids and marriage in our early 30's.

Now heading close to my 30's I thought 'this is it, yippeee!'.

But it isn't. And boy has it knocked me sideways with full force, and keeps doing so like one of those stupid weeble toys. I am hysterical. I feel lost, lonely, in despair, angry, reflective, disappointed, let down, hurt, heartbroken, anxious, devastated.. You name it these past few days I have felt it to my absolute core and then some.

The thing is though, I could see it coming. We had been here only a few months before, trying to work out our differences, and as to why things just were not 'clicking' anymore. How could things be going so wrong, when they were, or were at least mean to be so right? We were MADE for each and this was the plan!!!!

I sit back now, and realise, actually all the above is still very true. It hasn't changed. We still love each other, we just CANNOT seem to make it work. Our communications styles are very different. He is a 'doer', I am a 'talker' (like most men and women, but to the extreme in this circumstance and I wont bore you with the detail).

I am a worrier, I like to feel reassured and loved by words and the small things. He is laid back and assumes his actions speak for themselves (they do, but for me the words have to kind of be there too). His laid back 'what will be will be' attitude means his support is somewhat lacking, which is fine for the stupid stuff I stress over, but not the big things, which are potentially life changing - what if I relied on his support for babies, or family issues, or parents growing old (because it is all grown up stuff that we will need to deal with one day). He can be selfish, whereas I am the type to put others first always. He is very black and white and logical and he comes across as cold and emotionally lacking. I am a daydreamer, who trusts their gut and seeks comfort in emotion and knowing I have listened to both my head and heart. I come across as needy at times, even though my heart is in the right place. There are so many clashes in personality, which in all, and without adding much more detail and examples, left for us both wanting and feeling well, not ourselves - which is utterly S**T.

Before anyone suggests making small compromises, agreeing to make small changes, we have been there. We have talked it through, we have tried to action it for months. But it just came across as forced and false, and it left for just a very weird atmosphere and environment to be in. We were content, we weren't unhappy, but the days of pure joy and happiness, just kind of weren't there anymore.

The break up is amicable. There is no hate, no cheating, no 'someone else', no screaming at each other, no 'can we make it work', it just is what it is, with a whole lot of hurt chucked in.

So HOW, please tell me, do you cope with a break up, where you both still love each other, have a connection and a spark, but just cannot make it work?

This is the hardest thing I think I have ever had to cope with :(

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Cabrinha · 20/02/2016 09:14

Why do you have to have been the one that gave more but came out more broken?
Because those two things go together.
Make it a rule never to put in more to a relationship than the other person does.
And, run a mile if you find you have to put loads in, all the time. I'm all for supporting a partner in times of need, but if you're supporting all the time - it's just not right.

Duckdeamon · 20/02/2016 09:15

Going no contact will help you focus on yourself: he will feel/do whatever he does, if he wasn't the right partner for you, that's OK, and you will have good times ahead, whether single or, in due course, in a new relationship.

What can you do for youself right now? See nice friends? Family? Your living space? Work situation, hobbies?

Joint assets were a HUGE commitment: not really in keeping with your description of where you were in the relationship. extricate yourself from that!

Cabrinha · 20/02/2016 09:17

And why feel sick at the thought of some poor woman feeling more stuck with him because of a child, because she glossed over his selfishness and coldness and emotional distance and his completely unwillingness to see a counsellor - and is now living with all of that?

Imagine your child having an emotionally cold father.

Now imagine them having a kind, loving, well adjusted one - who loves you.

Doesn't your future look rather brighter than his, and his future girlfriends'?

Kirk123 · 20/02/2016 10:39

Forget length of time you have been together you are heartbroken and on the emotional roller coaster , you are going at 100 miles an hour though ( I did too after 31 yrs) just breathe and like everyone says do no contact or you will push each others buttons if you keep trying to make it work . Unfortunately he is not your soul mate , but take time to heal and do what your body tells you to do miss , keep strong my lovely and try not to overthink everything ❤️💔

misszp · 20/02/2016 13:09

Thank your for your responses this morning.

I am certainly making it a vow to never end up in this situation again emotionally, financially and house wise. Lesson learnt.

I am trying to keep busy by seeing friends, carrying on hobbies, spending time with family, and just having some 'me' time. I've not slept properly in weeks though (as I said I kinda saw it coming before it did), so my energy levels are horrendous and my sleeping patterns all out of whack meaning I feel extremely run down.

Everything you say is logical and all what I know, and even advice I have given myself to friends! I guess when you are in the situation though, it is harder to see it for what it is and that it takes time to come to terms with it. I really hope the counselling helps but again I know it won't be a magic fix.

You are right. Why would I want someone as the father to my children who IS emotionally distant and cold hearted (but as I've said not a bad person). I always think well it must be me the reason he is like that. Maybe I'm not enough, maybe it was just because I wasn't 'the one'. Maybe that is just him as a person, and yes it would make me unhappy long term. Do people change and compromise though, will he change for the right person, or are those characteristics he will likely always carry? And if he would change, it breaks my heart that I'm not the one he's willing to change for, as ridiculous as that sounds :(

I think I would be feeling a whole lot more relief and calmness if the housing situation was sorted. Unfortunately sorting what to do with our propert isn't going to be a quick solution (selling, transferring equity etc), and I've nowhere to go myself at present (I have my parents short term but limited room, and I feel even worse at the prospect of returning home). If I could have that sorted, perhaps my head would be a little clearer.

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misszp · 20/02/2016 13:09

Kirk123 I forgot to ask and add, how did you cope after 31 years?

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Duckdeamon · 20/02/2016 13:43

You're not still living in the same property are you?

LuluJakey1 · 20/02/2016 14:05

Been there. Only time and determination toleave it behind make a difference. The truth is you are not ood together- you are not happy together and both recognise it. You gave it your best shot. He is not for you and you are not for him.
You need to stop yourself thinking about him- very deliberately stop yourself. Do anything that occupies your mind. Go for walks, wander round shops, see friends, watch tv, cook, clean, walk the dog, mumsnet, tret yourself, work, go on holiday.Force yourself or you will wallow in this.
Sort out the house and leave him behind. Don't contact him, don't see him, move on. Thete will be someone better who is right for you- perhaps you even know them and have dismissed them as unsuitable. Change your type.
I wallowed for 10 months then went to California for 3 months and came back a different person- didn't care anymore.

misszp · 21/02/2016 08:50

I wrote a whole message and my phone deleted it grrrr.

We are actively splitting time at the house at the moment, but are not seeing each other. On other days we are staying at our own parents, whilst we decide what to do or what we can do.

I can't afford to buy him out (devastated as I get ALL the hurt and have to uproot my life). There is no quick fix but ideally he will buy me out (it means we both end up with a bigger chunk of money rather than legal fees, estate agent fees etc), we are just looking at how to go about it, and transfer of equity etc.

I can stay at my parents short term and they would never even question it, but there isn't much space- my old room is full of stuff they wish to keep and there is just enough room to manoeuvre around the bed- not ideal for more than a short term stay.

Im lucky to have such amazing, caring parents who would do anything to look after me and Im NOT ungrateful to them, but I also have a disabled older brother at home (he is capable of living fairly independently with some help, and I support him too - something else my ex never understood). Tensions are often high, and no matter how I try to help and support and advise, the situation is never fully diffused. I've tried all sorts over the years (believe me, even as a teen), and both my brother and parents do nothing to help themselves and so it actually makes for quite a stressful environment to be in at times. I have found it easier to offer my support from a distance with a clear head.

Of course I then feel guilty and like a bad person for even thinking that way, because I have it easy in terms of being able to go about life. I just want more for my parents and brother, but clearly you can't help people who don't went to be helped :(

Staying at friends isn't an option, they either rent spare rooms, have children, or still live at home. Renting isn't an option- it's so expensive around here (monthly payments are probably nearly double what a mortgage would be for some and that's without bills!).

I also have loads of items at our house and there isn't room to store them at parents. There isn't much point selling them, they have sentimental value and to buy new stuff in a few months seems silly! I could look at storage options for a few months, but I can't find anywhere actually reasonably priced!!

I also have two cats (who I will not get rid of). Yes they are minor detail in what is an otherwise horrible situation but they are both rescues and to give up another bit of my life would crush me. Not knowing whether to leave them at our house until I'm sorted (but have no definite date on when I could take them), move them to parents (but not trust them to not let them out as they always leave doors open), or put them in a cattery for a month or two whilst things are sorted.

My other option left is shared ownership housing (I can't afford a huge mortgage by myself, and there is nothing available in my area for what I can currently afford deposit wise). This would also give me a chance to clear a bit of debt, have my own space, stay on the property ladder etc.

But as I'm on a mortgage currently (although will be removed) and not yet approved with any services, I don't know what my options are in terms of eligibility (I meet all other criteria). One estate agent said you have to be approved first before making any offers (which means I could get trumped by another already approved person), and another said no you make an offer and becoming approved is all part of the buying process (which would be great as then hopefully I wouldn't get pushed down the pile). I plan to contact estate agents and relevant associations first thing tomorrow.

Does anyone have experience of shared ownership and the application/approval process they could share with me?

I know I'm going at 100mph, and we've agreed to give ourselves a week or two breathing space until we agree on a solution, but they are all thoughts keeping me awake every single night. I'm so blooming tired.

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Kirk123 · 21/02/2016 09:54

Hi , I went to watch Mary poppins with my daughter last night and I also typed you a full reply and lost it ! Yes you are going at 100 mile an hour , I did that too it's because you need to get control in your life and plan a future as yours has been taken away from you , private message me if you want Hun , just breath and rest today have a Sunday thought free day , one person told me the best advice 1 day at a time sweet Jesus , don't plan anything you don't need too ❤️

LuluJakey1 · 21/02/2016 10:44

I would not give my cats away for any reason. I understand how you feel. DH says he would go before the cats and he's right. Smile

Duckdeamon · 21/02/2016 13:15

Have you had legal/financial advice? If not it'd be sensible to seek some, independently of your ex.best not to let the limbo drag on. If you can't afford to buy him out, you could set a time limit by which he needs to offer you a (fair) price and have a mortgage agreed, ofherwise it goes on the market.

You need to get over the victim / "I get all the pain" mentality. You chose to enter into a major financial commitment with your ex and it didn't work out, so now need to focus on extracating yourself with as little financial damage as possible. It will be easier once you have new housing sorted.

SoThatHappened · 21/02/2016 13:24

It was almost fairytale like - Boy meets Girl again, and their love is untouched! swoooonnn.

This is not meant to be cruel but for a woman in her 30s wanting to marry and have children, your post sounds like it was written by a teenager.

You already broke up once and were apart for two years. Two years in which you both ok without each other. You didnt go running back realising you couldnt be without each other after a few weeks. Where is the swoon and fairytale in that?

Life and relationships aren't fairy tales. There is no happily ever after, life is peaks and troughs and it is work.

We are (were) close. My best friend, my companion, my rock, my grounding, my 'go to', my happiness, and good looking to boot. I thought we had it made, having lived together for three years, and almost, roughly on a similar journey - wanting to put holidays, life, celebrations, growing up, before committing to kids and marriage in our early 30's. Now heading close to my 30's I thought 'this is it, yippeee!'.

Life doesnt work like that. You cant' map it all out. Is it at all possible it became about him becasue you were constantly mapping your lives and your fairytale out and he wanted some freedom?

The longer you spend analysing this relationship, it will prevent you from moving on. Belive me, I have burned my early 30s doing this and now it is too late for me probably. My big relationship has never come.

SoThatHappened · 21/02/2016 13:31

Also I would say forget him.

I am trying my best to do this and I already feel better thinking about it....do what the you want for a change.

Once all the dust has settled. I am sick and I am tired of negating what I want in favour of someone else.

Going to do my own thing for now and if I meet someone I do.

Teaandcakeat8 · 21/02/2016 15:36

Hi OP, I'm really sorry to hear about the break up but just think, better to end things now than carry on in an unhappy relationship and waste more time.

You did mention that it's unfair he gets the house and you get uprooted... however maybe you need to look at it as in, he gets to lead the same life you both did (without you) but you get the opportunity for a new start! I can't imagine living in the house you once shared with a partner after they have moved out is so great.

Do you need to stay in the same area? Can you move to a location where property is cheaper? Might be good for you to get a fresh start?

Ragwort · 21/02/2016 15:52

It sounds to me that you are 'in love with the idea of being in love'. You do sound incredibly needy/naive/intense - whatever you might say. Personally I don't really believe in 'soul mates' or 'the one' - I have been married for over 25 years - we are not blissfully happy all the time, I don't expect my DH to meet all my needs and I certainly don't meet his - but I consider we have a 'good' marriage and are 'good' parents. But also I can perfectly well function without my DH - and he can happily do so without me as well.

As others have said, life is not a fairytale.

misszp · 21/02/2016 18:32

As I've said my first few posts weren't actually written in the context they were meant. I think I wrote them with a slight story feel to them because I wasn't actually really ready to face the situation for what it was :( it kind of masqueraded the rawness of it all a little.

I'm certainly not needy or naive or intense, but I am an emotionally open person- something he isn't. I hadn't actually planned our milestones or goals like kids and marriage (I don't want to get married and whilst I want kids I have no time line as that isn't right now). My boyfriend was never under pressure or fighting for his freedom- it probably appears that way because over the past few months we've been fighting to sort our differences and fighting to overcome the issues. Before then though we had some very good times, some very happy memories. We are both tired. We both don't want to resent each other. We don't want to become a couple that stays together for the sake of it (and to be honest as I've grown up with two parents who did that, I probably would have coasted along). I don't think it's weird though to obviously foresee a future with the person you love, which is perhaps what my posts were more getting at, even if they came across as more full on than that. We both feel that actually what we both need emotionally is not compatible right now, and it's making neither of us happy.

I will take on board the advise to see it as a fresh start, and to sit down and change my mind set a little (I realise I'm doing myself no favours at present). I know that comes with time, but to help I'm making a written list of why we didn't work, what I need in life, what I can do to make myself happy and am trying to look forward to time for me, family and friends. It's just this messy middle inbetween whilst I sort out my housing situation that had got me even more stressed.

It absolutely breaks my heart that we can't/couldn't sort those differences and the disconnect between us. It's a daily struggle to not get down at the moment and to not cry, but I guess that's just all part and parcel of it.

Thanks all for the advice and support.

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misszp · 28/02/2016 12:18

I'm struggling today. Really struggling and my feelings are a mess. And whilst I'm not in floods of tears, I'm sat here with a deep churn in my stomach, feeling psychically sick at the whole situation and so low. :(

I know it's the right decision, but the last day or two I have found myself asking WHY wasn't I enough, why couldn't we save it, why did we not try this, why didn't he love me more etc, why do I not deserve more.I know they are self pitying questions and I need to snap out of it but it's the first time these have gone through my head with such hurricane force and I'm finding it really hard to pick myself up. I am in the process of receiving counselling too as I think I have real issues with my self worth - next session tomorrow. I remember a heart breaking letter I wrote to myself years ago before we go back together about how I was only a choice amongst many, there would always be someone funnier, prettier, more worthy, that I had to get use to the fact that no one would love or care about me the way I could them. I HATE that I feel that way again and I am trying to deal with it. It's so fucking hard.

It doesn't help I've come home to collect items and he's clearly had all the guys over for drinks and they've buggered off out for the night. The though of him flirting, kissing, being with someone else just hurts SO SO much (of course I don't know that he has but these particular group of lads were all 'wingmen' when they were single before, and now find themselves again).

I'm taking myself for some retail therapy and to see a friend later, but I just want his dull empty ache of what I am losing to go away. I know in real terms I'm not losing that much because he was naff emotionally and support wise and blah blah blah. But why does it have to hurt so much even when it's the right decisions, I just want him to come home and tell me how stupid this all is ( I know it's not). :(

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Kirk123 · 28/02/2016 19:55

Hi miss I was wondering how you were doing ? You are thinking these thought because it's a roller coaster Hun , however these are you thoughts and you can change them , when a thought comes into your head do this , is it true ? Is it false or do I not know ? It's a great way to focus and be in charge of your thoughts , most times it is I don't know , so this means you can't control him and thinking what he wants is wasting all your energy you need for you ❤️❤️ Try it I hope it works for you , let me know x

misszp · 29/02/2016 13:11

Hi Kirk123 thanks for the reply.

I know I NEED to retrain myself to not think the way I do. That I am only making things worse for myself. But it really is hard.

Some of the thoughts are fact, which are just excruciatingly painful to face up to and deal with. Others are probably embellished versions because my mind is running away with me, and others are just be second guessing.

I have emailed my counsellor and said I would like to look at why I have such little confidence and self worth, because I think that plays a big part in why I stayed in a relationship for so long that was not making me happy and was fundamentally flawed as it was all about him. I have my next session tonight and I know it is going to get worse before it gets better, but I am trying to keep busy, see friends, exercise, look after myself.

I just feel so unsettled and insecure at the moment because my life, my housing situation, my whole routine is up in the air and I still have no clear vision of where it is going to land :(

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