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Marriage crisis advice appreciated.

15 replies

sadandanon · 24/12/2006 06:09

I have no idea where to start really - if I spilt it all out this post would ramble all over the place. In a nutshell I have 2 kids and a DH who is in the general scheme of things OK - good job/works hard/fairly 21st century views and so on, but I am in position where we are fighting almost every day. And I hate it. Here's an example of how our life is at the moment - it's all trivial but every day we have more or less the same kind of trivial rows and the same outcomes: yesterday this is what happened: I was up most of the night with the baby (we both work full time and I'm the main breadwinner, but I have to do most of the night shifts because DH 'needs more sleep' - his words, which by the way he genuinely believes) then I went out first thing to get the last bits of shopping. Came back and told him how I nearly cried in Tescos because I had seen the woman in front (with two kids in tow)having problems paying for her christmas groceries and it had really upset me seeing that. Anyway I also mentioned I was stressed because I hadn't been able to find the power rangers costumes for my nephews that they were desperate for, and I'd have to go into the larger town to get them. He then said 'I'll get them from D&S' (discount toy warehouse) and when Isaid I was sure they wouldn't have power rangers costumes he was insistent he'd seen them. So off he went. Came back with a spiderman outfit and a captain scarlet outfit, neither of which I can take back because they don't do refunds in this place. 40 quid down the drain and now I have to go into town on xmas eve. So anyway, he drops them on the table, saying these'll do them, they won't know the difference. Then he sees my face and kicks off on one, ranting that the kids won't care what they get anyway. So I start crying and say I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place - if I don't go out and replace them the kids will be disappointed and my brother will think I've just not 'bothered' when buying their presents, if I go into town and get the power rangers stuff we've wasted money and it puts DH in a foul mood. He's now in a stropp and saying that I'm a control freak in insisting on buying new presents and every time he does something to help I 'throw it all back in his face' and am never content and who cares anyway what the kids get so long as they get something....and by the end of all this I've just got no way out of the situation. So we both just 'drop it' and get on with other stuff. Afterwards I try to explain why I was upset so we can make up and he just laughs, ruffles my head and says it's alright, he knows what an emotional person I am, given I had been upset in Tescos earlier and all that, and it must be that I've got PND and I shouldn't fret. Then he tells me he is off for the evening/night to visit his mate who lives near London, leaving me with the kids. Which is kindof OK (he wouldn't blink an eyelid if I wwanted to do something like this for example so long as it didn't clash with his plans). anyway 2 hours later and I'm putting my DS's playdough away on the shelf when one of the tubs rolls off the shelf and drops onto DD who I've been carting round with me and have just placed in a moses basket at my feet. Hits her on her forehead and she is screaming her head off. At this point DH calls. He hears DD screaming, DS crying (DS always cries when the baby cries) and dog barking (dog very old and gets upset by the crying) so DH just says for me to call back. 2 hours later and the baby is still screaming and has purple bruise that is looking quite ugly and I'm beginning to fret. DS and dog both still kicking off now and has all got much worse because we are now way past DS bedtime and he is shattered and beyond talking to in terms of reasoning with him, dog also beside himself, as he has been waiting for his dinner for two hours. So I call DH but no answer. Leave message on answerphone saying all very stressful please call ASAP will take baby into A&E if she doesn't stop screaming soon, help help. That kind of call (and I have only ever made that kind of call twice - the other time was when baby had blocked airway and stopped breathing and had to be rushed in to hospital - I'm not a cry wolf person). Anyway that call was made at 10pm. DD finally stops screaming enough to take calpol and a feed and I get her down to sobbing stage and eventually (at 11) she falls asleep, after 4 hours of solid crying. Bruise looks bad but I know doesn't need hosiptal or anything so panic over. DH calls me at 1am, drunk, saying he'd picked up my 10pm message at midnight but hadn;t bothered calling back because I'd be able to deal with it myself and my mum lives close by and I'd have called her if it had been urgent. I say it's not about whether I could get help form elsewhere, I'm mad because he didn't answer his phone, didn't bother calling to see how she was and he thinks I'm out of order for being upset that I couldn't get hold of him and he can't understand why I think he is totally wrong in that even when he got my 'help help' call he still left it an hour before calling back.

So anyway, he won't get home till midday, whcih means DS will miss his sunday morning swimming pool session (which DS loves and always asks about), he'll be hungover and want to sleep and I'll have to race out in the afternoon for the power rangers things which will p him off all over again and we've got people over in the evening so I won't get any kind of breathing space. And I am tearing my hair out because every single thing he does is thoughtless and/or selfish and if I try to talk to him about it he always says I am a control freak or never satisfied or have got PND. I am going quietely mad and don't know what to do. Every single day I am left struggling with kids and practicalities of life and get only the support he decides to give. He thinks it's all me and that I have problems that need to be resolved. I think he's selfish and needs to grow up (I haven't even started on this post about the money he spends in places like bang and olufsen that we can't afford). I can't talk about this with anyone because I know that they will all take my side (even his family), which will just leave me feeling more justified in being upset, but won't resolve it. I suggested to him a while back that we see a marriage counselor and he has decided to ignore the request on the basis that I must be suffering from PND. I can't get it though to him that I am at the end of my tether and will snap, and if I snap heaven knows where it will go - we both have close friends who are divorced and I couldn't bear our kids to suffer on acocunt of us, but I just don't know what to do. Am I being unreasonable? Is the kind of weekend above just what I should put up with (every weekend is as bad as described here, but always in different ways)? Is it just normal to have to put in 90% of effort to the 10% he seems ot put in? I've had yet another sleepless night not knowing where to turn next or what to do. Any advice would be much appreciated - ideally I'm hoping for shedloads of responses to the effect that all men are like this and that it does get easier when the kids get older. Believe me, if thats the case then just knowing that will help loads..I'm even prepared to accept that I might have PND or something if that's how the above looks to an outsider (though I don't think so. when DH goes away on business for example, things are always much calmer and less setressful at home. fairly sure I haven't got PND but let me know if you think otherwise).

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mummy2aaron · 24/12/2006 06:17

TBH he sounds just like my husband - bloody selfish. He is burying his head in the sand because it is easier and it suits him. Having said that it doesn't make it easier for you. Tell him you will see a doc to prove the PND one way or the other - get him to agree if you haven't got it then he will go for counselling.

Sorry - not much help but at leasy you aren't on your own - someone else will be along soon who can be of more help.

Also he should ALWAYS be available - you have small children - anything can happen. Making himself unavailable is irresponsible imo.

yULeYSEES · 24/12/2006 06:27

Awww hun I really feel for you You do need to do something about this situation as you must be exhausted. I'm not too happy about him saying you have PND or are a control freak. Who is he to diagnose? And a control freak? That's fecking insulting considering all the freedom he gets ffs! I know you say you could go off if you wanted but when did you honestly last do it? Sounds like you're really tired and a break would do you the world of good. Can you get a few days away with a friend without the kids?
Counselling is a good idea and if he won't go then you can go alone to start with. Relate are excellent. I'll post their website incase you haven't seen it yet. They also have some great books to get you going before your appointment.

yULeYSEES · 24/12/2006 06:28

Relate

yULeYSEES · 24/12/2006 06:29

Oh and by the way I find going quiet scares the shit out of them

sadandanon · 24/12/2006 12:12

Bang on time - he got home a couple of minutes ago and said 'I'm shattered'. hahahahahaha.

He knows I'm upset. I am sending him out to Argos (have ordered what I want so hopefully he can;t get it wrong this time) and then on to swimming pool which will be heaving this time of day which won't be very good for his hangover. shame.

Thanks for the posts. I will force him to see a relate person as otherwise I will fall over the edge here. Hopefully can hold it together over xmas.

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lulumama · 24/12/2006 12:20

whether you have PND or not is irrelevant.........your husband has no right to treat you like this....

christmas can often be a time to trigger marital crisis.....

not all men are like this, some are, but it doesn't make it right

you can see relate alone, or a counsellor and rebuild yourself and get into a frame of mind to deal with this

if you are are the main breadwinner and doing the lions'; share of child care, he needs to get his arse in gear too and fulfill his fatherly and husbandly duties

he is taking advantage of the fact you are 'able'' to deal with things...he is ok with you doing everything, because you do everything...and he knows this...if one parent leaves the house..then the other one has to deal with the kids..that is a different situation entirely

he needs to be available by phone, or in the house, when the kids are ill, or hurt or you need him...he is a husband and a father

i don't know what else to suggest..except if he won;t be there....get help from friends, and family and don;t struggle alone x

pantomimEdam · 24/12/2006 13:17

Patronising git is just using the PND line to make it look as if you are the one with the problem. Don't fall for it.

Maybe try both of you writing lists with two headings 'things I love about x' 'things that piss me off' or something. And then compare. Have to have a rule about no slagging off, just facts or 'I feel' rather than 'you make me feel'. And when you compare, the other one isn't allowed to interrupt - use an egg timer or something so each of you gets a go and the other one has to listen!

HTH

wickedwinterwitch · 24/12/2006 13:33

God, you poor thing. He sounds very selfish and he's treating you extremely badly imo. I can't tell you all men are like this or that it will pass because all men aren't like this ime. How DARE he go out and leave you with a baby and a small child and then IGNORE you when you're on the verge of going to a&e? He's selfish beyond belief. And the fact that he wouldn't mind if you did the same is beside the point imo, he still did it and it does affect you, especially if he a) ignores your call and b) sleeps when he comes back and c) isn't there when you need him to be

Also, men DO NOT need more sleep than women, that's complete and utter bollocks. My dh tried to tell me this a while back and I got proof positive that it's crap, here.

It is NOT normal (in my house anyway) to put in 90% while he puts in 10% and he needs to wake up to this fact imo.

I don't know what to suggest other than:

Keep posting, you're not unreasonable, you're married to a selfish man, don't let him persuade you otherwise

Relate, maybe he needs someone else to tell him as it doesn't sound like he has much respect for you and your opinions

I hope you're not offended by any of the above but I would be angry beyond belief if my dh did this to me.

sadandanon · 24/12/2006 21:14

www, Edam, Lulla

Thanks for being so supportive, even though I know it isn't me going mad it's always good to have others say it.

The day has gone from bad to worse but I wont go into detail. I will get through tomorrow and then sort something out. Off now to prepare for the surprise of opening the handbag I picked out on Friday because he had run out of ideas himself.

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wickedwinterwitch · 24/12/2006 21:15

I'm sorry to hear that. Good luck with getting through tomorrow.

blueshoes · 24/12/2006 22:00

sadandanon, nothing you have described of your behaviour sounds like PND or control freakism - it makes me boil that he had made you doubt yourself when you are trying so hard to hold it all together. You are a saint to put up with dh's (shocking IMO) behaviour.

You say that when dh is away on business it is much calmer and less stressful. What are the practicalities for you if this was a more permanent arrangement? I am not saying to divorce him but can you go it alone? If you can spend some time thinking about this, you will know what you bottomline is, as far as how much you are willing to put up dh-wise.

Judy1234 · 24/12/2006 22:31

It's hard to tell from the post. Some things may matter more to you than to him which is your issue and not his problem. Some things are clearly wrong. You should not tolerate the unfairness where you both work but you get up in the night. What is clearest from your post is you need more sleep. If you had more then you could cope with the days. Say from now on you do alternate nights. Buy some ear plugs. Don't get up whatever happens. If necessary sleep downstairs. Stick to that plan so there is 50% night sharing. Women need more not less sleep than men.

if he doesn't mind if you go out then make sure you do on an equal basis even if it's just to your sister's house to have a night's sleep without the children or to check into a hotel one night. But none of this needs to be done with any emotion or shouting or crying, just peaceful insistence.

Personally I'd just forget the power rangers outfits. Doesn't matter what people think. Just blame your husband if you have to blame anyone for it.

yULeYSEES · 25/12/2006 01:43

Just want to say thinking of you hun and agree with all that's said.

Try to count to 10. Imagine he's a kiddy and try to detatch yourself from the situation. You may see things more clearly if you don't shout plus it's better for the kids too. Maybe he likes a bit of drama? He may enjoy the attention?

I agree you're being a saint.....didn't say Martyr as you're not taking it lying down.

take good care and keep posting

Happy Christmas to you xx

MomOnTheRun · 25/12/2006 06:43

You will find Men and Women think very differently. There is no guarantee that you will meet a better one if you get a divorce. It sounds that you have been the one giving in to his demands for too long. Find a good time when the 2 of you are relaxed and calm and try to talk about what you want in the relationship. Don't expect it to change over night. Give each other time to adjust to new arrangements.

Men are just big kids. When he helps you, try giving him praise instead of having a go at him for not meeting your expectations. He will do more if he feels appreciated. Work out the household monthly expenditure and make him pay half. If he wants to spend money on something special, then he will have to save for it. Explain to him that you have to put money aside for a rainy day.

You are very strong to seek advice from strangers on a public forum. I admire you for trying to save the marriage and not taking the easy route out. I wish you all the luck. Merry Xmas!

Sobernoel · 25/12/2006 07:32

This sounds very familiar to me, although things have got a lot better for us in recent years. Once we had a toddler and a newborn I disliked my dh for about 2 years solid. He thought I was a control freak (hate that phrase) and I thought he was a selfish fuckwit. I think both of us were right, tbh.

I really don't think what your dh has done is that bad, and that's not because I'm ground down, honest! I agree with posters who say that men think differently and it has taken me ages to accept that my dh simply does not see some things the way I do.

You sound stressed, tired and worn out to me. Your dh needs to understand that you deserve more support from him, but he won't respond to what he sees as whingeing. That will just make him retreat into his own world, imo and e. Try and find a calm time (ie not over Christmas) and explain how strung out you are, but do it without crying, if you can. Crying made my dh shut down - he would totally blank me til I stopped - and I finally got through to him when I was cool and collected. That scared him rigid.

I know that many MNers will read my post and think my dh is a twat - he's not, but yours sounds similarly emotionally stunted. I feel sorry for both of them really.

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