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What would you do if my evil witch of a mother was your evil witch of a mother? (sorry, really long)

17 replies

lunavix · 20/12/2006 20:41

I know that sounds terrible but here goes. My mother has never been the greatest, varying from nasty to downright neglectful. I won't go into it, but between my sister and I we have -no- positive memories, or thoughts of her. As two people desperate for a happy family, we've both branched off and made our own. My sister no longer talks to my mum (an incident when she called my 7yo niece a nasty spiteful evil little bitch - she'd done nothing!) but I find myself still in contact simply through sheer guilt at someone being totally alone in the world - even if it is through their doing. She lives around 90 miles away, we see her maybe 3 times a year, she usually asks to see us more but we get out of it. She only comes, and talks about herself or asks for favours. She has no interest in her grandchildren, or in myself or my husband.

We found out recently she has terminal cancer. She originally told us her expectancy was 2 - 5 years, then changed it to 5 - 15 (?) but her doctor has since said it's probably months. I'm not entirely sure however, as he doesn't seem to know his a*hole from his elbow but nevermind. I know it's not really relevant, but I have these thoughts of 'her last christmas' ringing round my head. We've avoided her the last few christmases, her having a fiance most of them, but they divorced (after about a week) . We were planning on telling her we wanted to spend this christmas just the four of us (which is a lie, we want to spend it with my in laws) but she came out when she was disorientated with coming here for a week and in the shock of finding out her news I agreed.

The thing is, over the last few weeks it hasn't looked likely she'd be well enough to come, which in all honesty was a relief. She's been very ill, she's been crazed (police and social services involved) and considering our past I don't really want her here. We've made tentative plans concerning Christmas - that christmas eve we'd take the kids down the animal farm, then go to the crib service. Stay the night at PILs, visit my mum christmas day morning for a couple of hnours without the kids, then return home and spend the rest of christmas day/boxing day with the family. Then we have off together until 2nd Jan.

But now it turns out she's suddenly been released home. I didn't think mentally she was well enough, they'd decided they couldn't treat her 'crazyness' that had developed, so just started her on chemo. She's adamant she's fine, the doctors don't know. Seeing as she's at home all alone, with few friends and no family she's adamant she's coming for a week like planned - well even longer I guess as she thinks she's coming friday night and returning home on the 1st or the 2nd. I can't think of anything worse, I honestly don't even deep down want her here, my job is stressing me out at the moment, I finish 6pm friday, and then to have her here until the 2nd when I start again is depressing to say the least... on top of a new 3mo dd, a toddler ds and other things too.

So what do we do? Ds has come down with a chest infection, I don't know if it's contagious or not (he's very bunged up and coughing/snotty) our doctor said it wasn't advisable for her to come due to the weakened immune system, but hers says sure it'll be fine. I phoned her to say, but she was adamant she was still coming.

Dh suggested we tell her we'd pick her up christmas eve night (or the night before if she gets shirty) and she can stay until boxing day, and that's it. I feel like it's ruining christmas a tiny bit, but I don't kow what to do I can't BEAR to think of her alone, well of anyone alone, even her.

THen we also have to break the news to her christmas day will be at the inlaws (she's terribly jealous of them and will not be happy) and in all honesty we want to stay there (in which case she will be too)

I'm sorry this is such a rant... if anyone has got this far then well done. Any advice would really be appreaciated.

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NotQuiteCockney · 20/12/2006 20:49

God, poor you. It sounds like you're doing the best you can to balance between some sense of guilt/responsibility to your mum, and trying to make her "happy", and your needs, and your family's needs. I think a shortened visit is a good idea. Absolutely don't have her with you for over a week!

ginnedupmummykissingsantaclaus · 20/12/2006 20:52

Sorry you're going through all this. I think you should put your foot down with your Mum and put your family first.
By all means see her at some point over Christmas but you shouldn't be pressurised into having her for the whole week. Its your Christmas too ffs!
at calling 7 year old a "nasty spiteful evil little bitch". If anyone said that to any of my dc they wouldn't see me for dust.

lunavix · 20/12/2006 20:54

I know there's underlying problems with seeing her and her illness, but all I seem to be able to focus on at the moment is Christmas. I don't know if it's because as a child you idealise Christmas as this perfectly happy time of year, but I want everything for my dc's that I never had and that's one of the things...

I guess on another count, I feel if I can get through this holiday I can cope with what's to come.

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lunavix · 20/12/2006 20:56

ginnedup - well that's why she hasn't seen my sister for dust.
I've sworn she'd never have a relationship with my dd, if I had one, through what she put me and dsis through - she's never had interest in boys so I thought ds was safe. Now I've had dd, I was adamant - but then to find out about this cancer has just thrown me.

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lunavix · 20/12/2006 20:56

NQC - I know, I absolutely can't have her here that long. Just don't know what to say to her.

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BuffysMum · 20/12/2006 20:57

Poor you having to make a decision! I think go for a few days. I think you have to decide what you will be happy with in the future and look back, you don't want to have any regrets. Yes she will spoil Christmas but it should be the last one ever IYSWIM.

My thoughts and hugs.

wickedwinterwitch · 20/12/2006 20:59

God, poor you. Can you take her to the ILs to dilute her? Are they kind people? Will they understand if you explain the complicated background? Does she have any help? Can you contact Mcmillan? Could you afford to pay for any help with looking after her?

It sounds awful.

aCRYSTmascarolALTIPS · 20/12/2006 21:00

How old are your kids ???

Who will benefit if your mum comes to stay ?

Who will suffer if your Mum doesn't come and stay ?

What do you owe her ?

Will you regret it IF this is her last CHristmas and you do/don't have her ???

Go with your heart and not your head/guilt

HTH

Pruni · 20/12/2006 21:01

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Pruni · 20/12/2006 21:01

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wickedwinterwitch · 20/12/2006 21:02

I think those are good questions to ask.

How will you feel if she doesn't come to you and dies in Jan? If the answer is slightly guilty just because you feel you ought to but in reality not that guilty because she's brought it on herself then say no. Let her spend it alone.

Pages · 20/12/2006 21:09

I agree with Crystaltips and think you should do what's best for you and your DC BUT I know the power of guilt and I don't think by the sound of it that you will cope with being that assertive with your mother.

So the second option is to go along with your DH's suggestion and REALLY stick to it. Tell your mum you will pick her up on Xmas Eve and return her on Boxing day (or whenever you and DH agree you can cope with) and STICK TO IT. She sounds like she is someone who needs very clear and firm boundaries. You will then have the rest of your holiday to enjoy with the family you love and not the ones you feel obligated to.

She may be dying but I truly believe you reap what you sow. If she had been a loving mother nothing would stop you from spending every possible minute with her.

ChristmasPresence · 22/12/2006 21:59

If I were you, I'd spend your Xmas day with the Ils as planned, and tell you mother she can come on boxing day, and stay for a few days. You could use the excuse that she might catch the virus, so giving a little extra time would help your LO get rid of it. Even if she spends Xmas day alone, she will at least be thinking that she has the next day to look forwrd to, and you get to have a stress-free and fun day. Don't feel too guilty about her, she obviously is quite selfish and hasn't put you and your sister first, so now it's your turn to be a little selfish too.

Elasticwoman · 23/12/2006 16:05

I would have her stay the shortest possible time that's convenient for you, and if she objects say it's that or nothing. Cancer in old people can last a very long time; on the other hand she might go sooner rather than later. You never know.

After your mum has died, you may wish you'd asked her more about the past to get an insight into why she behaved the way she did.
If you have her over for Christmas, you might get the opportunity to find out more.

Re what she said to 7 yo dd, that really is dreadful and you can say, before you have her to stay, that any repetition of that sort of abuse will result in her being driven straight home, whatever time of day it is. And mean it. It may mean no drinking for some one, but you can get the champagne out after she's gone.

If she doesn't like your terms and refuses to come, then you have done your duty and need not feel guilty in the slightest.

MyTwoChocolateCoinsWorth · 24/12/2006 13:46

to answer your question what would I do....

I would think long and hard about whether i actually loved this woman - i suspect the answer would be no but i want to because shes my mother and it nags at me that im supposed to love my mum. i also think i would find i am somehow grieving for a 'proper' mother that i wish i had and that i want, somehow, to keep trying to see that in her.

and when i had worked all that out, i would regretfully come to the conclusion that she has never and could never be that. the fact that she is dying does not change who she is, the things she has said or done.

i would realise that i owe her nothing. that my family is my partner, children and any blood family that i have a bond with. genes is incidental, its how people treat you that matters.

and then i would tell her i wish her peace but i have no intention of seeing or speaking to her again and i would spend xmas with the people i love and, more importantly, who love me back.

sunnywong · 24/12/2006 13:50

oh dear what a no win situation for you all

IME, had bad relationship with mother but not to your scale, you want to make sure your copy book is absolutely unblotted. Let her stay, behave the best way you can and then when she dies you will feel no guilt, no pangs of " I could have done more for her" nothing like that , you will have washed your hands of her with a clear conscience.

Limit her contact with the kids and just knuckle down and get through it.

drosophila · 24/12/2006 14:21

It's amazing isn't it that despite a difficult upbringing you grew up to be such a thoughtful person. I don't have any real suggestion but my thoughts are with you.

I do think Christmas is one of those strange times when you find yourself bedfellows with Satan himself. How would you feel if you told her 'on your bike'? If you think this would make you feel really bad (which I think you would given the tone of your post) then you probably have to grin and bear her. Hopefully the in laws will understand.

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