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Please help! Abusive MIL just died, how to help DH

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CrazyCatLady13 · 12/01/2016 18:24

I've been LC with my PIL for a while, they were extremely physically abusive to my lovely DH. After a breakdown DH got counselling and started to cut down contact himself, then we had the flying monkeys, health scares etc.

FIL called tonight saying an ambulance was there, MIL's heart had stopped. DH went over (I have a ear infection that's gone into the bone so very ill at present, or I'd have gone to support DH) and while DH was there MIL was pronounced dead.

BIL is on way over, DH has asked that I call him at 7pm to give him a reason to come home (by blaming me being ill, needing him). BIL has been a flying monkey in the past, and DH doesn't get on well with him, he was the golden boy and DH the scapegoat.

How on earth do I support DH through this? He's still in FOG, he's going to feel awful for being LC I know it, he's going to blame himself for all this. He said FIL is a wreck, DH doesn't know what to do. I've told him to do what feels right for him, not to worry about anyone else.

Please help me, I just want to help DH through all this.

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pocketsaviour · 13/01/2016 17:52

Can I just say it's so lovely to see you and your H working as a team to support each other. It really speaks to the depths of love and caring in your relationship. Flowers

Can I suggest that a few "top-up" sessions with his old counsellor might be an idea for your H?

sadwidow28 · 13/01/2016 22:59

Welcome back Mrs CC. How are you feeling (healthwise). Ear infections can be so debilitating.

I have to endorse what a previous poster said - well done to you to for working as a team in these unusual and stressful circumstances.

DH has gone over today to speak to the funeral home I think - that's a good move because the Funeral Director will want to know the 'family's wishes' so that they can get on with things. To have the widower and the two sons in the same room at the same time makes it so much easier for them to organise. One person will have to sign off the arrangements and to agree that they cover costs (probably your FIL - but may be your BIL if FIL is not able to cover within about 3 months even when MIL's estate is sorted).

Now don't worry about costs - stay out of it as far as you can. You may want to afford a flower arrangement from your DH, you and DCs (it depends on what they have agreed about flowers). If it is a cremation, I always think ONE single tribute is enough - from widower and family - but two at the most (Widower and then a separate ONE from sons and their families).

I allowed only TWO for my DH - mine and his DSis/family. My SIL desperately wanted her own flower arrangement on DH's coffin and I respected that wish. We actually went to the florists together (she travelled 90 miles to choose her own flowers and to be involved in the funeral arrangements with me and we were so respectful of each other). We weren't buddy-buddy in-laws, and we had LC because of distance, but I knew she loved her only-brother in a special way.

(Donations to a charity rather than flowers that are disposed of within 24 hours. )

Interments (burials) are different. The grieving widower will look at how many flowers are placed on the grave. That happened with my DH's mother who died before we were married. FIL didn't want any problems on the day from distant relatives because they had kept the separation from the 1st marriage a secret for 4 years. So, everyone had to send separate tributes. SIL sent from her, DH sent from him, BIL sent, ex-wife sent, 2 x grandchildren sent and then I sent separately. I bet that confused the hell out of everyone! I was very much part of MIL's life before we were married (we had to wait the 5 yrs for a non-contested divorce) and FIL knew it had to be carefully managed because of the secret.

SIl is a solicitor so is helping with the legal stuff That is a great bonus. Let her do it! If there is no will, it is simple probate which takes about 6 months. My DH and I made our wills when he was diagnosed terminal and none of us spotted that our first endowment insurance (for the mortage when we were buying our first marital home) was still in my maiden name. Of course the mortgage insurance was taken out in maiden name because we were BUYING for our married life. Anyway, even though we didn't correct that mistake in 1981 when we did marry, it was 6 months to sorting it in 2001. (I still don't know how I changed every bank account etc to my married name and forgot about that endowment insurance policy!) But trust me, it was still simple to go through probate.

DH is remarkably calm, with a couple of outbreaks of tears Of course Mr CC has already done a stage of grieving - but it will never be as complex as the grieving he has to face now. There was always a chance of 'fixing' and nobody had died. It was his choice to be NC. Reconciliation is now not a possibility. Please try to understand that this is the final grief for his mother. I believe you are a strong team and will come through this together.

I recall when one of my NC brothers died (a brother who I had supported for years until his DV started to spill into my home when he 'needed a break') The wonderful MNetter called CognitoErgo (or CognitoInErgo?) was my life-line that night and she reminded me that NC is not taken lightly, but MUST always be right where there are no regrets. I managed my NC-brother's funeral with my head held high. My family expected me to be there - and I had a right to be there because of my past support.

We spent some time last night and this morning discussing possible outcomes. such as Fil demanding more time It is actually good - and a sign of a strong team - that you are already able to discuss the "What if...." No decisions should be made in the early stages of grief. They are often the wrong decisions. But Mr CC may need to 'bond' again with the remainder of his family for his own well-being. My DH stepped up his family visits to his LC sister after their Mum died. That was not a local journey, but it made him feel good to connect. (And if you see above - the LC sister desperately needed to be involved in my DH's funeral). Low Contact with his DSis was the best way for my DH to go after the death of his DM (1981) and then the death of his DF (1992).

It is still early days for both of you - and the other members of your family.

Get through the funeral together - and if you are not well enough to go, then you must give yourself full permission NOT to go.

I will continue to hold you and your family in my thoughts and prayers. Flowers

CrazyCatLady13 · 13/01/2016 23:25

Mr CC here. just an update. It was good to finally make peace with my brother. No digs, nastiness or snide comments. Well there was no one to bounce off of but I knew it would hit brother hardest and him and father do not get along. I saw for the first time, there was no air of supremacy or that feeling of golden child for now and I'm well aware of this. They finally admitted that yes mother did love him much more and I have finally made peace with this. I will never have the relationship he had, and I do feel really bad for him and his children this has ended for him. I will for now keep some sort of contact, but will also monitor this and listen to my wife if she feels it is affecting me, her or us too much and severly reduce contact to NC if needed.

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sadwidow28 · 13/01/2016 23:33

Thank you for the update to tell us that your day with your family making funeral arrangements went as well as possible.

As I said previously, don't make any decisions whilst you are in the first days of grief.

I wish you well as always.

CrazyCatLady13 · 19/01/2016 23:28

Hi Mr CC here again
Just an update regarding the situation. Mother had sudden heart failure and did not suffer. Have continued to support dad as much as I can. Will pop in daily just as a check up until funeral but my wife is right. Support with carrying on with life independently rather than an unhealthy constant reliability on family needed here.

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Aussiebean · 20/01/2016 00:47

That sounds like a great balance. As long and you and the family are ok, then what ever you do is great.

If/when it starts to hurt you or your family that is the time for distance.

It would have been hard to realise that. Well done and I hope the next few weeks are as good as can be expected

CrazyCatLady13 · 28/01/2016 18:38

It's all started up again.

DH has been going to see FIL every night after work. At the weekend BIL was over so DH said that he'd see them all on Monday - DH really needed a break. On Saturday morning FIL asked when DH was going over, DH repeated not until Monday, you've got company. An hour later BIL's children called saying they were missing DH, when would he be over. They'd been completely manipulated by FIL getting them to call DH, making him feel bad saying no. DH stood his ground and didn't go over until Monday but felt so bad about the niece and nephews being used like that.

Funeral was Tuesday, I still wasn't well but went. The service, church service then another service at the crematorium took about 2 hours. We then went to the wake, altogether I spent about 5 hours there, talking to all the various relatives, small talk, being friendly, comforting FIL. It was the first time I'd seen FIL in about a year. DH was in a bit of a confused state, I don't think it had really hit him until that point, but he handled it really well. He didn't do any readings (through his choice) and had a few tears but was generally okay.

After about 5 hours I was feeling really ill, I suggested to DH that he drive me home then he could come back and stay with FIL as long as he wanted / needed (it's about half an hour drive so not far). Made my apologies and left.

Yesterday DH went to see FIL - he's been seeing him every day, not getting home until 9ish at night, then catching up on his work, so he's exhausted. FIL complained that I hadn't spent enough time there, that I hadn't spoken to anyone! Absolute rubbish, I'd spoken to everyone there (about 50 / 60 people) which with my face hurting was very hard work.

I'm currently still ill, on antibiotics, waiting for a hospital referral. I'm working 4 days a week, doing everything in the house to free DH to spend time with FIL so I don't add extra pressure on him. I'm exhausted, emotional, ill and missing DH a lot. Then for FIL to say I hadn't done enough............ I lost it and gave DH a few choice words he could say to FIL when he sees him tonight.

DH has said if FIL starts up on me again tonight he'll not go over tomorrow.

I've just had enough!

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CrazyCatLady13 · 28/01/2016 18:40

I should add that after he bought me home, DH stayed with FIL, BIL etc until gone 9 that night. He's not getting home until 9pm most nights, he's exhausted too. I keep telling him he can't look after other people unless he looks after himself, but he's the type of person that will just keep giving.

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Aussiebean · 28/01/2016 18:44

At least he is seeing that the leopard hasn't changed their spots. And he is seeing it for what it is.

Things will start calming down soon and the boundaries can again go up.

Your dh knows you are the most important and he won't forget it.

goddessofsmallthings · 28/01/2016 23:51

There's a new rod being made for your dh's back and if he doesn't want to feel the weight of it, he'll start cutting down on his visits to fil asap.

Depending on how it went for him tonight, I would suggest that he phones fil tomorrow to say he won't be able to stop by after work as you're unwell and establish that he won't be able to call by again until, say, Tuesday evening which will be the one week anniversay of mil's funeral - and stick to it no matter what lures, or guilt trips, are set out for him over the weekend.

You'll need to work out between what you feel is acceptable in terms of his visits to fil. Can you/he live with once a week, or would it be better for you/your family for dh to visit once a month, or less, with the odd phone call between to check that fil is still alive ok?

I hope that your dh is not labouring under the illusion that he can somehow have the relationship he should have had with fil now that mil has gone as the reality is that fil will become dependent on him to the point of claustrophobia without seeing any reason to change his self-entitled ways, or alter his long held view of dh as being his to verbally abuse or otherwise treat as he wants.

It will, of course, take time for fil to adjust to mil not being around, but it is far better for all concerned that he does this without becoming dependent or reliant on dh for company.

This is not to say that you shouldn't extend simple kindnesses such as baking an extra cake for him now and again or freezing one or more of your usual meals for him, or advising him on how to shop, cook, clean for himself if he's not accustomed to doing so.

You must bear in mind at all times that fil is not the first who's had to adjust alone to being a widower and the fact that you/dh are not doing more to ease this transition is a case of him reaping what he's sown, which is no more than how it should be if there's any natural justice in this world.

Above all, the needs of you and your dh are paramount and if you find it necessary to raise the drawbridge and cocoon yourself in your own world, so be it.

timelytess · 29/01/2016 00:05

he's the type of person that will just keep giving
Find out about 'adult children of parents with borderline personality disorder'. He can't help it.
Carry on helping him to stand up against his dad.

CrazyCatLady13 · 29/01/2016 20:01

We had a chat.

DH isn't going over this weekend, next week will be Mon, Wed and Fri, and cutting down from there.

Who wants to bet that we get a call over the weekend asking him to go over?!

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Aussiebean · 29/01/2016 20:52

Who says you have to answer the phone.

If you don't have it, get caller id and turn off the answering machine so there is no message to ring back to.

CrazyCatLady13 · 29/01/2016 22:20

Hi Mr CC here
Thanks for all of your support. Indeed my wife is everything which I write not just as empty words hence the reason contact gets cut down drastically. Might be Mon Weds Fri or maybe just Mon and Weds and work from there. My wife is my rock hence the reason why I listen to her. Calls or no calls means still no weekend visit. Need to keep wifey happy and needed. After all I realise when all the bullshit settles, she was the only one there through problems and I love the way she is with other people.

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RaRaRamona · 30/03/2016 15:36

Hi CatLady and DH. How are you both feeling now that the dust has settled? I have followed your thread with interest as something similar happened to me when my DF died.

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