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The big fat mess I've made of my life

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gettingabitdesperatereally · 02/01/2016 15:31

I'm at a bit of a low point at the moment. I am on the verge of panic all the time. I need to be strong as I am only at the beginning of what looks like a long messy divorce but I am struggling and my situation feels dire.

I moved to the country I currently live in 6 years ago to work. I met my stbxh a few months later. Whirlwind romance, both keen to settle down and get married, start a family both about to turn 30. Thought it was different to previous relationships as no games or anything, he was just keen and helpful and kind. I earned a lot more than him but didn't care about that. He struggled to find a job and got one but just a low skill type job that he felt he was too good for. We got engaged and then I got pregnant, by this point we'd been together about 8 months. I inherited some money and decided to use it to buy land and build a house. This went in his name as not being a citizen of this country meant I couldn't have it in my name.

We got married, had 2 dc and our relationship just got worse and worse. I was isolated and living in quite poor and basic conditions. On maternity leave I was on less than half my income and with his low earnings too we were very hard up. Things felt constantly on the verge of crisis. He never wanted to do anything or go anywhere, even to take the kids to the park or go for a walk. He became nasty and spoke to me in an aggressive way. Our communication was terrible. He put me down a lot and seemed to feel that he himself was very hard done by. He was only really happy when he was drinking, he would drink at home every night but he never went out, neither did I. He made it seem like I was not able to do a lot of things here and that he had to do them, eroding my confidence and independence. I was unhappy but was coping and going along ok on a certain level. I went back to work after each maternity leave and I enjoyed my work and got on with people there, felt less isolated. And enjoyed my dcs.

All the money I earned just disappeared, there was always something to do on the house or the cars (both of which I bought). My parents helped us out financially at times and he seemed to scorn the idea of paying them back and in the end they would say we didn't have to anyway.

In Feb of last year I had had enough. I initially told him I wanted to separate and I saw he was just going to manipulate me to stay or refuse to leave and I just rented a flat and moved with my dcs. I was very happy to be away and the dcs (aged at the time 18 months and 3.5 years) settled in. He saw them every weekend initially and then I changed it to every second weekend as they were so disrupted by seeing him every weekend. He also said toxic things to them about how he wanted us to all live together etc. I found a family therapist to talk to us both to try and get him to understand the effect on the children but I think it had little impact.

When I left he immediately said he had problems and he felt terrible for the way he'd treated me and he started going for counselling. But I didn't love him any more and I was so happy to be free from him and to have control of my life and money back that there was no way I would want to reconcile.

I decided after a few months that as I was feeling stronger and clearer about what I wanted, I would like to move back to the house and him to leave. I was spending a fortune on rent and bills and the house was paid for by me so I thought I may as well live there. Plus more space for the dcs, a garden etc.

Initially he refused to leave. He said I can't just change my mind as and when I feel like it and he doesn't have to do what I say any more. I went to see a lawyer and in effect pressed charges against him. He was furious about this. He left the house and I moved back in, although legally the house is still his.

We started divorce proceedings and I thought we would have to just go through court as he was so difficult to deal with. However, he suddenly wanted to try and agree out of court and so I drafted a proposal and he seems to not agree, though I believe it is far better for him than it would be if we went through court. He is trying to do everything to avoid putting the house in my name, including putting it in the children's names. He hasn't paid a penny towards them since I left and he is now quibbling over the amount of maintenance I have proposed, which is the minimum by law. He makes out he is the victim because I have taken his family from him and that all he wants is to be with his children. He turns on the tears every time I see him and says he still loves me and crap like that. He is going to fight me for custody.

I despise him. I don't want to be in this country any more. I am trapped, I have wasted all my money on something that is now tying me here even more.

My lawyer said the battle over the property could last up to 10 years and he will most probably get part ownership.

I can't see how he could get custody but the fact he'd even try to disturbs me.

I have been so understanding towards him throughout this and all it's done is make my own situation worse. I have nobody here really. I feel like the future is so bleak and desperate and yet I have to stay so strong to give my dc a good childhood and to make sure no-one can take them away from me.

This year is going to be about me fighting for everything. I need to get sole custody and financial contributions from him. I then have to fight for my house and try to leave this country. It's not going to be easy. I am seeing a psychotherapist as I wonder what made me get into this situation in the first place. I clearly need to work on myself in some ways. I was in the UK for Christmas and really felt what I am missing. I came back yesterday and dcs have gone to his for a week to stay with him and his ridiculous parents (father alcoholic, mother enabler/ controlling apron strings firmly in place) in their tiny shitty flat.

My dcs deserve so much better than this. So do I. What a horrible mess. I don't know what I want from writing this, maybe just to get it out, just to feel less alone. I have a lovely family but they are far away and worried and stressed by it all and I don't really have any good friends now. Been away too long and drifted from people back home and moved house a lot and where I am I don't know anyone I can really trust. I was seeing a man I really liked for a while but he left to work in another country. We're still in touch and he's the only other person who I can talk to about things.

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fidel1ne · 02/01/2016 17:14

X post.

Are you at least close enough to the UK to get breaks back home away from the combative atmosphere (and some moral support)?

fidel1ne · 02/01/2016 17:16

(And will he agree to you and the DC travelling to the UK for a holiday?) You sound like you need a break.

Viviennemary · 02/01/2016 17:17

I don't think there is any point in thinking making friends is going to help in your situation. There's a time to fight and a time to flee. And this is the latter. I agree find out the rules of the country where you live. Are you prepared to spend the rest of your life there or even till your children are grown up. They are very young and moving countries won't affect them as much at their age as it will later on when they've started school. And if you are still financing everything that seems wrong too. In any case if he has no money will he want to take on full custody. I expect he wouldn't. He can't stop you from leaving. Get in touch with the British Embassy if you feel you're a prisoner.

gettingabitdesperatereally · 02/01/2016 17:18

I'm prepared to wait for the property issue to be resolved to get what's rightfully mine. The main thing at the moment is for me to get custody of the children and the divorce finalised and then I can try to leave with his permission. I don't need to be here to carry on the property dispute.

I think that once we are divorced he will have to accept the situation and if, for example I can find a job abroad, I can present a good case to leave and have arrangements for regular contact in holidays etc. If he doesn't agree, I can go to court about this too.

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BabyGanoush · 02/01/2016 17:18

is it a country with decent equal rights, or a more traditional patriarchal society?

I'd play the long game, make short term plans on where to live and how, let him see the kids, make the most of living there and socialise with people from your own country (through embassy?) as well as local people.

Lots of men see their kids less once a new partner arrives on the scene (or they have a new family). Obviously not all men, but it is good to not rush things, they will develop naturally.

Take it one step at a time.

gettingabitdesperatereally · 02/01/2016 17:21

Vivienne, I definitely can't flee. I would if I could but no-one can do anything in this situation unfortunately. He has said he will fight me for sole custody. He doesn't have money for this but I think he is so deluded he may even try to get sole custody and to live in the house and have me give him money as maintenance. There is no way he would get this, especially here as mothers are favoured by far, but his lawyer seems to be some kind of misogynistic twunt filling his head with nonsense.

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wallywobbles · 02/01/2016 17:24

Can you suggest to him that instead of paying maintenance for the children he signs off on the house (or whatever you want). My evil ex did this, and I am thankful that he pays no maintenance because legally it means he pretty much doesnt have a leg to stand on. The children aged 8 & 9 eventually went to court to stop seeing him.

gettingabitdesperatereally · 02/01/2016 17:24

Yes BabyGanoush, that is what I am trying to do. It is quite patriarchal here but I don't think fathers rights are very developed here and from what I've heard I should definitely get sole custody. I was willing to make an out of court agreement for joint custody but he wasn't happy with what I proposed and I told him that is my only offer, no negotiation but the stubborn idiot is going to drag it through the courts rather than agree.

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wallywobbles · 02/01/2016 17:27

When you add up the amount of maintenance he would have to pay - even the legal minimum it amounts to quite a lot, and maybe an attractive proposition to him. I am in France, you are clearly not, and like you cannot quit the country for good and keep the children in all probability.

madwomanbackintheattic · 02/01/2016 17:30

My sister just signed her house over to her ex, to be honest. She had been paying the mortgage for the seven years they were together (he was out of work) and provided the deposit, but it was just cleaner and more sanity inducing to have done with it. She could have fought for years and got 'what was hers' but thought that x number of years of legal fight and angst was counter productive to her long term happiness. She just gave it to him.

It's only a house. If keeping it to prove you are right means ten years of shit, I honestly wouldn't bother. Sometimes the 'wrong' decision is actually the right one.

gettingabitdesperatereally · 02/01/2016 17:31

I think I may try that later on wally, at the moment I know he wouldn't be receptive to it but once the divorce is settled and he is having to pay out that money I think there may be more room for negotiation.

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gettingabitdesperatereally · 02/01/2016 17:35

It's not going to be 10 years of shit, my situation will be the same more or less whatever happens. I don't want him walking away benefitting from me more than he already has. And once we have settled the divorce they may be other ways of dealing with it. It's not 'just a house', it's money my grandfather worked hard for and I'm not just pissing it away on a waste of space like my h.

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madwomanbackintheattic · 02/01/2016 17:37

Yeah, the family money does make it harder. Dsis' situation was her money so she didn't have the same sense of obligation.

gettingabitdesperatereally · 02/01/2016 17:39

The thing is, he had nothing when I met him and if he has a mortgage free 4 bedroom detached house once we divorce it's hardly fair is it?

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wallywobbles · 02/01/2016 17:43

Your divorce agreement is legally binding and unless there is a change in circumstances you cannot just go back to court (obviously dependant on country). I have often heard people saying oh we can go back to court later and fix this or that - I'm afraid it really doesn't work like that so be very very sure of your facts before you assume anything. I know almost nothing about British courts but I have been through the French family courts 5 times in 8 years.

I would make my suggestion sooner rather than later. Everything for your future (for the next 10 years minimum) will depend on that divorce document. Make sure you have the best lawyer possible.

In our divorce document we had
who paid for what when - so he pays for clothes etc at his house.

What countries I am allowed to go to with the kids - for me EU and USA only. What time/where/when is pick up and drop off. Alternate years alternate weekends - so even years, even weekends, odd years, odd weekends.

Every single imaginable detail should be in that document to save any arguments in the future. Ours was badly done and a source of constant very stressful conflict afterwards.

Get witness statements as to his behaviour, drunkenness etc Go armed to the fucking teeth with information, statements, recordings (acceptable in our courts) emails, timelines, bank statements, everything you can. The biggest single mistake you can assume is that your enemy (exh) is going to be reasonable or do the best for the kids.

Sallyhasleftthebuilding · 02/01/2016 17:54

Ik so you dobt really need a 4 bed. Could you agree to a sale - and then give him a lump sum, and move into rented? Or do you want to avoid him having a lump sum to fight you in court?
Why 10 years? That seems a really long time?

gettingabitdesperatereally · 02/01/2016 18:03

10 years is the worst case scenario. He doesn't want to sell it, partly to tie us here, partly because he is emotionally attached to it, he did some work on it and he has come from a troubled background, war, evacuation etc, so for him having this house is a big deal. Plus there are issues with the legalisation of the house, it was built without fully being legal and there is no proper road etc yet so selling it will be probably not possible for at least a couple of years.

Thanks wally, yes I agree all details need to be included. I sought advice from a British lawyer I know here and she re-wrote a lot of what my lawyer originally wrote and she also knows someone who could represent me here so if we do end up going to court I will probably change to that lawyer as I am not convinced that mine really gets it.

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Yseulte · 02/01/2016 18:33

I think it would be much more sensible to sort the divorce out through the courts. The time of being fleeced by this man is over surely?

Also I don't buy the line that the house had to be in his name because you aren't a citizen, have you checked that with lawyers? My parents own property in European country and it's in their name despite them not being citizens of that country. They don't even live there full time.

PreemptiveSalvageEngineer · 02/01/2016 18:45

Ysuelte makes a good point. Dollars to donuts you could have been on the title deeds in the first place. If you learn that this is so, it's just more evidence that you walked into this trusting him and had good faith, and he either didn't, or was generally a git. Worth looking into.

gettingabitdesperatereally · 02/01/2016 19:10

Yes I will double check that with my lawyer, I think she said before that that was the case at that time but it's changed now. Or maybe it was not impossible for it to be in my name but just more complicated and as we were doing everything at break neck speed we didn't want it to take longer.

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gettingabitdesperatereally · 02/01/2016 19:11

Yes Yseulte it will go to court, I told him if he didn't agree to my proposal then we will definitely go to court and I meant it. I want it all tied up properly and officially.

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wallywobbles · 02/01/2016 20:01

You really cannot sleep walk into divorce. Treat it like a military campaign. Go at this slap dash and you will be paying for decades. Do you speak the language of the country you are in? I'm very troubled by what you've said about your lawyers. British law is very different to other places. It's not just getting another lawyer it's getting the best lawyer for you and your children. The very best. That isn't necessarily more expensive. Is it a country where you can share a lawyer for an agreed settlement negotiated by the lawyer?

gettingabitdesperatereally · 02/01/2016 20:50

I do speak the language but not fluently. I have had 2 lawyers so far, the first recommended by a friend, but he seemed very laissez faire about the whole thing and my friend's situation was very different as her husband basically just went along with whatever she said. The one I have not was recommended to me by another friend who is having an extremely complicated divorce and has been through about 8 lawyers already before he came to this one. Both these cases are Brits married to locals. Now the lawyer I have initially seemed very on the ball and efficient but I have noticed that when she is around a man (my father came to one meeting and my h and his lawyer to another) she seems not to stand her ground that firmly. I feel that at this point I need to be quite aggressive in my approach and I am not sure if it's the way the court system works here (very slow and corrupt) but I don't feel like we're getting anywhere. With the help of my UK lawyer contact I was happy with the draft proposal we put together but now we are going to court I think I need to find a lawyer that gives me more confidence.

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gettingabitdesperatereally · 02/01/2016 20:51

should be the one I have now

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something2say · 02/01/2016 21:32

Do find a good lawyer yes.
Maybe get the agreement sorted and then live out the next ten, fifteen years in the house, until the children are grown up?
Let this all fade away behind you.
And remember that you'll be making new friends now.....
Really try to minimize the direct contact you have with your ex too.
Congrats on your semi freedom x