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Help me explain to DP why I am foaming about this

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wonkylampshade · 18/12/2015 10:37

He arrived home with main presents for my DSC which his ex presumed to buy on our behalf, for us to give them when they arrive on Boxing Day. No discussion, no sign off. She did this last year as well, and it caused friction then too. This year I lost it. They are going back come hell or high water. She can include them in her own pile of presents for them! I have already bought and wrapped the presents we are giving them, as I had also done last year.

Background is that she is a seriously controlling, temperamental bully, who has walked all over DP since the DSC were tiny, and taken huge advantage of him financially. He actually had an awful breakdown a few years ago after years of persistent bullying phone calls - that's more or less stopped but she still hassles him by text sometimes. He doesn't like confrontation. I'm so bloody hurt and angry that she is now forcing herself onto our family Christmas. And I feel completely let down that he took them, rather than returning them and firmly saying "thanks for the thought, but we will choose what we're buying them for Christmas" (we are expected to pay her for these presents, of course). At this point in time I don't care if we have to return the toys to her, and then go to the shop and buy exactly the same things - it is that important to me that she doesn't presume to do this to us.

Am I being completely unreasonable in feeling this is totally intrusive given the history here, and to feel so let down by DP's failure to just stand up to her for once? Rightly or wrongly, it's just made me feel completely irrelevant in the whole scenario (yet again). We've ended up at loggerheads on our youngest's first birthday because of this.

His reaction is that he'll return them and tell her not to do it again, purely because I am so angry - I am now upset because he doesn't seem to 'get' that the significance of this feels much larger to me than it might superficially seem. I don't feel we have a united front about this and that really bothers me.

OP posts:
UsernameIncorrect · 18/12/2015 12:56

You need to take the "we" out of this. It's not you, it's the children's parents. You get to sort out your own kids' presents. Leave your husband and his ex to sort out theirs. It's really not your business.

ElBurroSinNombre · 18/12/2015 13:00

For me, in a slightly similar situation, just control what you can control and don't worry about anything else. The best strategy for dealing this sort of thing is to not react. No contact, no discussion with the ex, just do what you would have done without explaining what you are doing to the ex. The ex. will have wanted to cause problems for you and she has - don't give her this power - and certainly don't let her know it.
As I said, you could return the presents wrapped after xmas with the kids, no explanation and just don't pay for them. If she raises it just say you had already bought presents yourself so didn't need them.
I spent a lot of time expecting my ex. to behave like a reasonable human being. I now realise that this won't happen so I just live as I would (regardless of the ex) and generally ignore the abuse etc. This is the best strategy and it has quietened things down for me. Don't give her the reaction she wants, in fact don't give her any information about your lives at all unless you absolutely have to.

TempusEedjit · 18/12/2015 13:22

Username The OP has already bought and wrapped the presents for her DSC presumably as agreed with her DP. So her DP has already made it her business. It's all very well saying she shouldn't get involved but how divisive would that be if the DSC come round on Boxing Day and the mother to their half siblings doesn't know or care what their presents are!

OP don't feel awful for losing your temper, your DP obviously doesn't feel awful for upsetting you. He needs to recognise that he should be prioritising you over his ex where appropriate. This is one of those times.

UsernameIncorrect · 18/12/2015 13:26

So the kids get presents from mum and dad (as mum and dad seem to want to do) and they get presents from Step mum and dad. As happened last year. I don't see the problem. OP knew from last year this is how the PARENTS wanted to do it, so back off and let them.

ElBurroSinNombre · 18/12/2015 13:31

Username - you are missing the point.
The exes behavour is about exerting control over the OP and her partner, not about the best interests of the children.

TempusEedjit · 18/12/2015 13:34

But they're not from mum and dad, they were chosen by mum (no discussion or sign off as per opening post) to be paid for by dad which is not the same thing.

And what's with the "backing off"? Presumably OP and her DP agreed between them that she'd buy and wrap for DSC (otherwise DP would have simply told OP " it's your problem, I didn't ask you to sort presents").

ShortcutButton · 18/12/2015 13:57

I can actually see the mums POV here

She is buying the stuff she knows her kids need/want then divving it up with their dad.

It's logical and pragmatic and i dont think her approach is neceszarily about control

I think she just haznt considered the emotionAl involvement of OP as step-mum. Which i think .maybe explainable by the dad never having told her that they want to choose their own presents? Also maybe the dad has form for being crap at buying presents; and she is just trying to do right by her kids. She might actually think she is doing you a favour, taking the time and strezs out of prezent buying

(As someone who hates shopping i would bloody love it, of my XH did this!)

wonkylampshade · 18/12/2015 14:04

That's the whole point - they are NOT joint presents - they have never ever bought joint presents. Her gifts come from her, not from DP and her. The gifts she gave DP were intended to come from DP and I. We are more than capable of selecting and paying for gifts of our own choosing. The kids do not receive presents from "Mum and Dad", because they have been separated for six years.

It's all about undermining both of us and I think some of the more astute posters can probably interpret that.

OP posts:
Elendon · 18/12/2015 14:04

They are her and his children. They are not yours. They are your partners children.

Does she ever have Christmas with them?

You sound very controlling.

Elendon · 18/12/2015 14:06

You sound very insecure in your relationship.

goodnightdarthvader1 · 18/12/2015 14:10

Does she ever have Christmas with them?

The OP's DSC are coming over ON BOXING DAY.

OP, your DP sounds like a doormat.

Elendon · 18/12/2015 14:11

They must have at some point bought presents for their children when they were together.

Ex partner gives our children his and his partners presents on Boxing Day (she's never been there). This has been happening for five years.

goodnightdarthvader1 · 18/12/2015 14:15

I don't even know what you're saying right now.

EvaBING · 18/12/2015 14:16

Send them back and say - thanks - but we have our presents for the children sorted already.

Elendon · 18/12/2015 14:18

Do your partners children have Christmas with their mother? If the answer is yes, then this is a two yearly thing?

And I would suggest that you tell your partner that the presents from her be given out on boxing day.

Sorry to be dim and yes I agree, it would annoy me if she had given presents to be given to the children from him and her (though it's slightly petty at christmas, it's all about family after all). It depends on the age of the children.

Christmas must be really fun for the step children at your house.

TempusEedjit · 18/12/2015 14:22

There was a thread a few days ago about an exH not paying December's maintenance mainly because he'd decided to spend the money on Christmas presents etc. He and his DP rightly got slated.

In Wonky's case her household has already budgeted for and bought presents but the DC's mum has decided to spend extra money on behalf of OP's household to buy what she sees fit. We don't know how that may affect OP's household's finances. How is this any different in principle to the other thread?

LeaLeander · 18/12/2015 14:24

I think you are taking the whole situation too personally OP and agree with those saying you should back off. (And don't really appreciate the jab at those of us who are not "astute" enough to agree with you. If you didn't appreciate a variety of viewpoints why post at all?)

So she sends the gifts over - tell the kids there are more gifts from mom and then give them what you wish from yourself. Let your husband work out payment/no payment for the unsolicited gifts with her. To stomp and rant and ruin festive days doesn't really achieve much in fact it sounds worse than the alternative of just sticking the gifts under the tree. Why feel so threatened by them?

Seems as though the root problem is that you want your husband to stand up to his ex-wife and tell her you are now No. 1 - and for reasons of his own he won't. I don't think you are going to change this. When you marry someone who's got kids from a previous relationship there will be complications -the wise person would realize from the outset she is not going to get everything her own way when there are others' feelings, traditions and agendas at work.

SoupDragon · 18/12/2015 14:27

Who has to pay for the gifts?

SoupDragon · 18/12/2015 14:29

Just spotted that you are expected to pay so ignore me...

ShortcutButton · 18/12/2015 14:37

Oh ok, apologies for not being 'astute' enough to have an opinion OP Hmm

ICanSeeForMiles · 18/12/2015 14:41

Your OH seems so lackadaisical about this, it's entirely possible that his ex wife had to take over when they were together, and in the aftermath so that the dc received any presents.
However, it is a massive infringement on your life and your own choices over presents for your dsc, if he keeps acquiescing to her you've got big problems.

wonkylampshade · 18/12/2015 14:45

We are expected to pay - on top of what we've already budgeted for (and spent).

She has the kids at Christmas every year.

This is not a tradition of any sort - they haven't done collaborative presents for six years. It's something she did last year, and which we thought was seriously weird, but played along with for harmony's sake. This year it's happened again. DP is uncomfortable with it, and I am not happy with it either.

Perhaps I am being completely controlling and it's totally normal for her to be going off and spending our money on what she thinks we should be giving the kids? I would genuinely never presume to do this where my ex is concerned.

OP posts:
wonkylampshade · 18/12/2015 14:47

Icanseeformiles - far from it, the kids have always been extremely well cared for and well catered for. They don't miss out at all when they're here, in any way. They're well loved and love coming.

OP posts:
wonkylampshade · 18/12/2015 14:52

I'm not trying to be contentious or upset anyone - clearly there are points of view that differ from my own.

I think I mentioned in an early post that this is not just a superficially upsetting situation. There are fundamental aspects of it to do with lack of boundaries and respect for us at play which are really bothering me. Maybe I'm not articulating it very well, but I feel really flattened by the whole episode. I'm sick of feeling like we have to stand up for ourselves where she is concerned.

OP posts:
CheersMedea · 18/12/2015 14:52

Username these are not joint gifts- they are OUR gifts for my dsc. Which she shouldn't have any role in choosing or buying. We wouldn't be sharing the cost either.

I don't see what the fuss is about tbh. These are PRESENTS for CHILDREN at CHRISTMAS. The more the merrier as far as they are concerned. You can manage this issue without getting all aggravated about it.

  • someone (whether you or DP) needs to tell her that these gifts are gifts from her and they will be given to the children as gifts from her.
  • joint gifts from you and your DP will be bought by you and your DP.
  • you/DP are not paying her for gifts she's bought and given.

End of problem.

She won't do it next year if she doesn't get reimbursed for buying two lots of presents.

I think you are letting your emotions wind you up about something v simple. I strongly suspect is that your really problem is not with the presents or her but the fact your DP hasn't addressed this before. It really is a simple issue.

But don't put them in the shed or send them back - that's unkind to the children who will get a windfall of extra presents this year. Lucky them.