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DD and her Dad

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NewNameNeededToday · 02/12/2015 10:37

DDs dad and I have been split for about 8 years - and we've had 50:50 care since then - she's now 15.

Ex has always been close to his parents and wider family, and prefers socialising with them than anyone else, despite them being about two hours or more travelling time away. Weekends and school holidays that DD spends with him invariably involve him/DD spending time with them, either at their home or on joint/shared holidays - often leaving literally straight from the school gate on a Friday evening and returning the night before school restarts. He's also close to other family members with regular visits and Skype calls.

As DD has got older, shes become less happy with this; missing out on time with friends, and not getting any time to just 'chill' at home when she's with him. His family are quite full on - she doesn't get any time to herself when she's with them, as they schedule activities, trips and visits throughout, sit with her in her room, and ask who she's texting and what they're talking about. Even when his parents visit them at home, he tells her that she can't go out and see friends and she is expected to join in everything that is done - even though they see each other every few weeks.

He told her on the phone yesterday that when this term ends they would be leaving for a weekend visit to one set of relatives straight from school, then back for a couple of days before going off again for a week to his parents for Xmas (ex and I alternate who she spends Xmas with). They get back on NYE, when she comes to us.

This is the latest in a string of incidents, and shes finally had enough, and told him that she won't be going on the weekend trip straight after school ends. She was willing to call the relatives and let them know herself. His response is to not only blame her for the disappointment that will be experienced by the relatives who are expecting to see her, but also deduct the cost of the hotel room and travel tickets that he's already booked from her allowance. His position is that as she's only 15, he can make plans for her to see family, without discussing it with her first, and that she should do as he says. By refusing, he thinks that she should suffer the consequences, which includes the money being repaid by her.

Her position is that she is old enough to have her POV considered, and old enough to be trusted to consider all the factors before deciding whether to go or not.

I've mainly tried to stay out of the way he chooses to parent her in the past, but in this case, I'm fully supportive of her, and have been incredibly impressed with the way she has dealt with this so far. He said some hurtful things by text to her about how she was disappointing him and upsetting her family, but she had predicted how he would react and was able to stay calm and reasonable. But she's already aware that this is having an impact on her (she hardly slept last night after the conversations with her dad last night and she is worried about how she'll perform in a test today).

I'm worried that her Dad is pushing her away and their relationship will suffer. Thing is, I know he's not being malicious or deliberate. He's a totally devoted Dad, just a bit clueless. He is singleminded when it comes to his family and very judgemental of people who don't have the same close relationship.

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IguanaTail · 05/12/2015 12:15

I agree with AnyFucker - it's controlling and arrogant. Just because he perhaps doesn't see it as that doesn't change the fact that that is the outcome.

He wants to have his own way at all costs.
She doesn't want to go? He says he will delay it. She still doesn't want to go? He will fine her. She still doesn't want to go? He threatens she will be grounded. She says she can stay with you (she's bound to - he's cornering her). He then cancels but she is going to be Cinderella for the weekend. Fine, I'll cancel, but you're going to have a miserable weekend doing housework and on top of that I'm going to make you feel even more crap by trowelling on the emotional blackmail.

He's poisonous. It sounds like your daughter is quite a saint by tempering her responses and trying to smooth things over, while at the same time trying to maintain a reasonable relationship. She's 15. Most would have had massive meltdowns and be refusing point blank to go. I'm quite surprised that she is so continuously mature about this appalling man. He obviously loves her and wants to spend time with her but he is going about it totally the wrong way.

NewNameNeededToday · 05/12/2015 12:22

doreen What I was speechless about was the fact that his plan had been for himself and DD to spend the weekend away before Xmas while his DW stayed at home and did chores - apparently DD now has to help her DSMum because they're not going away!

I'm guessing ex will be sat in a chair with his slippers and newspaper while his wimin do wimins work!

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mix56 · 05/12/2015 12:23

This is the punishment she is getting because she didn't want to be forced into doing a family visit, & he has cancelled the hotel ?
He takes his new wife off to visit your parents?
They are going to make her play Cinderella. Jeez

LaurieLemons · 05/12/2015 12:37

Ugh, my dad was like this. It used to drive me up the wall. We had to do everything 'as a family'. I think some parents completely forget what being a teenager is like. How inconsiderate of him not to even ask her? Like she doesn't have an opinion. Very strange Confused. Maybe emailing this thread to him could be a start Grin.

DoreenLethal · 05/12/2015 12:38

I think you need to tell her that she absolutely does not have to do his chores for him on that weekend, she can stay at yours until you come to an agreement about his treatment of her.

RandomMess · 05/12/2015 12:39

Seriously ask your DD what contact she would like from post Christmas onwards instead of 50:50 and you email him that DD no longer wants 50:50 and due to her age you full support her and from now onwards it will be x y z (I reckon every 6 weeks after the above stunts) and you are happy to go to mediation if he wishes (prerequisite if he wants to take you to court) oh and he'll need to adjust maintenance accordingly.

I think you need to take a stand to fully support your DD as the emotional back lash on her is huge and unpleasant and it's a way of protecting her from the shit storm now she wants (and IMHO needs) withdraw from his dysfunctional ways.

Ultimately the courts would not make your DD spend more time with her dad than she wants to so he can rant, rave and complain all he wants and it won't make a difference.

Icanseeclearly · 05/12/2015 13:07

I think, ultimately, a lot of teenagers struggle with 50/50. I know my eldest did and eventually discussed and agreed a system that suited her better. Luckily both her parents were open to it though. It sounds like your daughter may have more of a battle.

Having a single base where they can set up their own life becomes far more important as they develop into young adults. Particularly if one household is significantly different or distanced from the other. Perhaps it is time for the three of you to start discussing the future?

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