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People think I am gay but I'm not

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myfirstandonlylove · 28/11/2015 18:08

I am sorry if this is a silly question/point. I am an early 40s guy, look a bit younger. I have weekly therapy for depression and am talking through various things. One thing that came up as a obstacle to me forming a relationship was the issue in the title. In some ways I can understand it but it seems to happen more and more regularly. I am shy and have a hard time letting prospects know how I feel until it is too late plus I find some straight men a bit hard going at times socially. I am in no way homophobic. My female friend said I should have been a lesbian woman. Mostly people seem to accept it when I say I am straight but some not so. I am sorry this is not very well expressed. Would be interested to hear your thoughts.

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noclueses · 30/11/2015 00:50

sorry for endless typos!

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myfirstandonlylove · 30/11/2015 01:00

When that woman walked out on stage with that Irish-woman-from-the-Liberties swagger the blood in my veins turned to Aztec Hot Chocolate, I practically combust with desire at the sound of her name let alone her voice. Anyway Chippy you describe eerily accurately exactly how I feel and how I (mis)calculated all these years. I know I was at fault and I have made a lonely bed for myself by dishonestly divesting myself from all sexuality. In my house growing up I would dread something about sex or even kissing coming on TV as everyone sat in awkward silence and my mother practically made me out to be the devil incarnate when I once brought a girl home for a cup of tea aged 21 ffs. You sound like you understand where I am coming from. Anyway I do hope you found happiness.

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Atenco · 30/11/2015 05:45

I am celebate and have been for all too many years, and I am sure that people must think I am lesbian. I remember being told that a co-worker was lesbian just because she had short hair, and I knew for a fact that she wasn't.

Yes, I think pocketsaviour's advice is sound.

myfirstandonlylove · 30/11/2015 06:32

This is all getting right through, such wisdom here I did not dare hope for. I have for so long hidden behind the equation straight male sexuality=dangerous offensive animal which must be chained up. Catholic guilt hid the key to the lock on the chains and I pretended I had forgotten where the key was hidden. Meanwhile I became pathetically and disingenuously grateful when women said how safe/unthreatened they feel around me and came to depend on the nectar of their approval and the sometimes sexual admiration of gay men towards me as I constructed my house of cards built on sand. Who have I been trying to kid? Myself maybe. The more I read these pages and know myself the more I think am honest dialogue between the genders is so so long overdue. Perhaps I will start with my own feelings for my coworker,rejection being an increasingly less unappealing emotion than my old enemy regret...

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bridie69 · 30/11/2015 07:44

You don't sound like you have a particular problem relating to women in general indeed it is straight men you say you find hard going. Perhaps you are worried you will lose the platonic love or respect of female friends if you are open about your attractions and desires. Sadly many cultures do look to suppress sexuality and we all lose out as a result. Respectfully declaring your hand is nothing to be ashamed of. I would be very happy and flattered especially if a man overcame a natural reserve to find the courage to tell me how he felt and the words to say them in an openhearted and unthreatening fashion.

FredaMayor · 30/11/2015 09:49

She went back to her country and broke my heart. That was 10 years ago.

Have you put your thoughts and feelings into the deepfreeze since then, OP,
which has kept you from finding resolution? I hope you take this as kindly meant, but your age may be acting against you in the sense that your way of being has now become entrenched and you will find it harder to make any changes the longer it goes on.

My suspicion is that you fear loneliness and are looking for ways of addressing that, but it may be that the solution you find to that is one that you haven't though of. Could I suggest that you have a week of saying yes to everything (legal and responsible) and see where that leads you?

Francoitalialan · 30/11/2015 10:11

I read your OP and wondered were you Catholic!

Get thee to a therapist. Said with the compassion of another previously repressed Catholic.

Francoitalialan · 30/11/2015 10:13

And the gay thing? Russell Brand and David Walliams do alright...😉

ChippyOikInAWowGuna · 30/11/2015 15:04

myfirstlove I only fairly recently put myself out there and admitted to a man that I had my own agenda (so to speak). I admitted to him that I wanted a relationship with him! He did not want one with me. He wanted to just, meet up and sleep with each other....... I just took a deep breath and as excruciatingly embarrassing as it was I told him that I did not want that. And then I went home. And waited. And yeh, nothing happened he didn't ring me up to tell me he'd changed his mind but to my relief there was a sense of peace from having risked telling him how I felt. I also felt a sense of relief that i'd had the integrity to just suit myself, or rather, refuse to suit somebody else.

It's very difficult this stuff, easy for most, but when you're brought up in a household where any mention of a relationship is perceived as some sort of loose cannon style weakness, then you don't know how to walk the tightrope. Others manage it. I know people with parents like my own, and they've navigated this stuff, but there was some dynamic in my family that has up until now prevented me from admitting to anybody that I felt THAT way about them. But to my amazement, I have done it and recovered from the, well, i thought it would be shame...... but actually, it turns out that it wasn't shameful. It turns out, even though I was rejected, it was only embarrassing in the moment of sayig it out loud, and then later, i felt proud of myself for having taken that risk. And it gets easier.

My mum and Dad met at about 23 and my mum has this way of disapproving of going out with men just for fun or for the male company. I know she would love me to get married but HOW on earth she thinks you get from single to settled without kissing a few frogs along the way, i do not know.

I was seeing a man last summer and he wanted to meet my parents. I knew I could never introduce him to my mother. I'd have died of embarrassment. He didn't get it at all. He said "but honestly, mothers love me! I can chat to mums, what's your mum's name, well Irene is gonna LOVE me"..... She might have done, but she would have looked at me like I was a wanton loose cannon losing control of her life.

I guess it's acknowledged in most families that the family members have a sexuality even if it's not the side of yourself that you present feet first to your family!!!! but in my family, we're all nearly like boy george around the table. We daren't say anything that'd reveal we weren't totally asexual. My brother is the same around my mum. He's been to amsterdam, barcelona and san diego in the last year and he didn't tell us who he went with and we didn't ask. My mum doesn't want to hear anything before ''i'm getting married''. She could cope with that. Just. It'd be shocking, still, though.

I feel like you get this. Brew hence the long essay.

ChippyOikInAWowGuna · 30/11/2015 15:09

ps, I agree, I had psychotherapy Grin

My mum, said through thin lips 'psychotherapy? what would you be discussing in psychotherapy, you had a pony". I changed the subject and she rolled her eyes around her head. Her eyes did two or three laps of the back of her head. I know she is offended by the fact that I had 8 sessions of psychotherapy so we don't discuss it. It makes her a bit cross all the same though. I went to private school and I had piano lessons and we went to Italy. What am I playing at, carrying on like I need psychotherapy.

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myfirstandonlylove · 30/11/2015 17:00

ChippyOik this makes so much sense to me it is uncanny. The culture I/we are from seems to, or used to value people according to how asexual they are with the priestly (supposedly) celibacy the apogee and free love absolute satanism. So deeply entrenched did this become that I actually thought that people who shall we say indulged were quite likely to also be criminals, or that young people who went out with the opposite sex could not possibly also say do voluntary work or give to charity as clearly they were base, selfish and suspect. My father who used to encourage me in vain to try to have relationships died in my late teens so in my 20s I was a chaste and very unhappy young man burdened with assumed responsibilities for DM and early teenage DS. As time went by and with the one exception I mentioned, well nothing happened I consoled myself I was not adding to the sum of human misery by coming onto people, which obviously would make them fearful. If you all look around yourselves I bet you will find you know people like Chippy and I, there are more of us than you think

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ChippyOikInAWowGuna · 30/11/2015 17:50

Yes for the irish single person in a community, there is a kind of perceived dignity in not chasing a relationship.

But that dignity began to feel less and less valuable to me. Now i am trying to meet somebody on pof, heaven help me!! And id never tell my parents if i was seeing somebody....

pocketsaviour · 30/11/2015 20:53

Chippy big applause for you for getting yourself out there and telling that bloke what you wanted, and not accepting an "arrangement" that wasn't what you wanted.

It's actually a very freeing feeling when you say to someone "This is who I am, and this is what I want. If you don't want the same thing, I won't die."

ChippyOik · 30/11/2015 21:07

Thanks pocket!

I think single people have to keep their dating lives really well under the radar. In small towns anyway. Especially if they're kind of institutionally single like I am! People's heads would spin off their shoulders if I turned up somewhere with a man in tow. a lot of my friends are married women and if I tell them about something, they perceive it to be a lapse of judgement. They worry about me! The man I mentioned from last summer, I went out with him for about six months and in the end it didn't work out. But he was basically a nice guy and not at all promiscuous. But married friends of mine suggested to me that I get tested for an STI after I split up from him Confused Do you see the mindset!? Married = good judgement, respectable, responsible. Single people trying to date! and trying to maybe get to a place where they have a stable relationship = reckless, hedonistic, lack of priorities, lustful, shabby

ok I might be over analysing there but there's a touch of it!

But saying all of that, if the basis for a relationship is friendship then even in our inner voices are the old biddies of the parish, the stalwarts of the parish! even if those voices are your inner voices, then a friendship is OK. And if it's not ok, then dialogue with those inner voices and tell them to fuck off.

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