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Am I right to feel angry?

41 replies

thewinterqueen · 07/11/2015 13:13

I've been seeing this guy for a few weeks now, and he's a very nice man. When we go out, he holds doors open for me, is very thoughtful and is just quite lovely. The second date came along and he suggested we go back to his. I explained that we could, but I didn't sleep with guys until I knew them better and/or was in a relationship with them. He smiled and agreed, so we went back to his for a coffee.

Upon reaching his house, we settled down into the living room and chatted, and had a little kiss. He got a bit 'handsy' and so I told him off in a nice way, with a smile. I made a joke of it. The problem is, he didn't listen. After I'd removed his hand from my breasts four times, he grabbed my wrists and held them away, whilst pulling up my top and going for the kill anyway. I kept telling him no, but he continued, telling me to relax and that he 'wasn't going to judge me for it.' I didn't want to start screaming at him, which perhaps I should have done in hindsight. Anyway, he did the same with my trousers and knickers, which really upset me. I kept saying I didn't want to, but he went for it anyway. Needless to say, he had sex with me, and I felt absolutely powerless to say no. Perhaps it is my fault for going home with him? Perhaps I wasn't forceful enough in saying 'no'? I feel crap about it and he doesn't seem bothered at all. He's also very keen to see me again. Am I right to feel angry about this? I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt and saw him again, and he did exactly the same thing, despite me saying no.

I don't really know what I'm asking here, but I suppose the question is...was this consensual? I feel rotten about the whole experience and a fool for going back...

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Goingtobeawesome · 07/11/2015 14:16

I think part of giving people another chance isn't even a conscious decision. You want it desperately not to have happened so you act like it didn't.

goddessofsmallthings · 07/11/2015 14:41

As I understand it this man raped you in his home on two separate occasions.

The first assault took place after you had gone back to his place on your second date, ostensibly for a coffee as you had made it clear to him that having sex was not on the agenda.

Subsequently believing that you may not have said no forcefully enough, you met him for a third date whereupon he again had sex with you without your consent.

While I understand your reluctance to report to the police, I would urge you to please access support from your nearest sexual violence service by calling the freephone Rape Crisis helpline for England/Wales 0808 8029999 - lines are open between 12am-2.30pm and 7pm-9.30pm.

Please be reassured that you won't be judged nor will you be pressured into reporting this calculating rapist to the police but you will be given rl reassurance that, despite your apparent lapse of judgement in meeting this man after he raped you for the first time, what he did to you is very definitely NOT YOUR FAULT.

In saying that he's "also very keen" to see you again, are you saying that you have remained in contact with this man and that you may be considering seeing him again?

thewinterqueen · 07/11/2015 15:07

I may call Rape Crisis later on, and have a chat with them. The guy keeps messaging me, as though nothing has happened!

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blankblink · 07/11/2015 15:08

he's a very nice man. When we go out, he holds doors open for me, is very thoughtful and is just quite lovely

He is NOT lovely, thoughtful or kind.

He is a rapist.

He is scum and worse.

Even if you cannot report him, please cut all contact with him and as a previous poster said, freephone Rape Crisis helpline for England/Wales 0808 8029999 - lines are open between 12am-2.30pm and 7pm-9.30pm.

You matter, you have to find help for yourself Flowers

blankblink · 07/11/2015 15:09

Crossposted, please call Rape Crisis and just block his number or ignore his messages. They can advise you how to do it so he will get the message.

ReadFox · 07/11/2015 15:11

That was not consensual Brew

I hate men who want a medal for opening the door for you.

Redglitter · 07/11/2015 15:23

Block his phone number and any other means he has of contacting you. Don't engage him in conversation.

BolshierAryaStark · 07/11/2015 16:14

He raped you, please contact the police as others have said.

thewinterqueen · 07/11/2015 17:00

Thank you so much for the support x

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ImperialBlether · 07/11/2015 17:08

I'm so sorry this happened to you. Are you saying you went out with him again after the first time he raped you (second date)? Did you feel you couldn't say no to him or did you sort of disbelieve what had happened to you and you decided to give him another chance? I can understand either of those situations; I just can't understand from your post what happened.

There are the sort of rapists who'll wait in alleyways, but there are the others who will charm women into putting themselves in a vulnerable situation. This is what it sounds like this man was like.

Flowers for you.

WorzelsCornyBrows · 07/11/2015 17:44

The vast majority of rapists are this kind, not the alleyway kind.

OP, just because you knew him, and went to his house willingly doesn't diminish what he did. You trusted him, we all trust people all the time, it doesn't change the fact that what he did is a criminal offence, for which he is entirely responsible.

AnnieKenney · 07/11/2015 23:36

This may be of no use or it may be helpful but posting it just in case: The Courage To Be Me

Katimp · 08/11/2015 00:45

You my love, have done nothing wrong. NOTHING! You made it clear that you did not give consent. Please go to the police. You need support and they should be able to provide some help - even if you decide that going for a conviction isn't what you want, at least they'll point you in the direction of support. Remain in no doubt though sweetheart, you did nothing wrong. Sending hugs xxx

HelenaDove · 08/11/2015 00:51

You did NOT consent This was rape. You have done nothing wrong.

((((hugs to you)))))

IrritableBitchSyndrome · 08/11/2015 01:10

I agree with a previous poster that it seems likely that your childhood experiences led to you going back, and led to you feeling confused as to whether his behaviour was ok or not, and whether it was your fault. It wasn't your fault, and his behaviour wasn't ok.

ILiveAtTheBeach · 08/11/2015 12:00

So, you went to his house for coffee and he raped you. So then a few days later you went to his house again for "coffee" and he raped you again? Eh? If all is exactly as you describe, of course it's rape. But Yes, the Police will ask you why you went back for more.

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