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Do all men do this?

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Lexia123 · 01/11/2015 14:18

I've posted a few threads here over the last couple of months.

I split with BF in mid Sept, absolutely devastated. Despite this it's been the 'nicest' break up I've ever had, and we've remained in contact. We met on three consecutive weekends, and talked a lot, but ultimately he didn't want to try again.

But this is the bit I'm struggling with. He said at the end that he didn't want to settle down and when we met last night he said in 10 years he still won't have kids.

I've chopped and changed my mind about that a lot- I would rather have a long term relationship without marriage and children with the right person- him. He's in his late 20's, so I can understand his reluctance, although he is the only one in his friendship group who is not married or has a child.

He said he did think of us as long term, and he was the one that drove the relationship forward whilst I was still a bit unsure, so I can't understand how its come to this. But when he wanted to see more of me, and I suggested moving in together, he said he realised that I didn't understand him and that I went from one extreme to another! I lived with an abusive ex years ago, and actually enjoy living alone, so it wasn't what I wanted so soon but I thought that he did.

We went out last night for drinks and talked, and whilst he's admitted he's not been feeling great the last few weeks, he believes he's made the right decision for him. But not for me. Neither of us were looking for this, I'd been badly hurt a few months before and he'd just moved countries. But I'm a bit confused as I thought the point of being in a relationship was to progress towards longevity together, particularly if you're both head over heels in love?!

I didn't want to move to London, but what would have been the point if he didn't want to live together anyway? I feel cheated because he is the most stable and together person I've ever met, who loved me for me, and even after I told him last night I suffer from anxiety, he said that wouldn't have changed the way he felt about me, and that he would have wanted to help.

The only thing I can gather is that he panicked about being tied down, but I just wanted to be in a long term relationship with somebody I loved, not demand them to marry me or have children! I know I'm not ready for that either.

He kissed and hugged me at the station, and told me again that it won't be the last time I see him, but as soon as I got on the train I cried. This wasn't what I wanted. I wonder what he thought our relationship was going to be.

So confused. I joked and said that I'll still be single in 10 years etc, and he said he would definitely look me up etc- a bit of banter which makes me realise he has just freaked out over hypothetical commitment.

Do other men do this? Pleas give me some perspective. Apologies if you've read my other threads too, but I finally had a good thing going here and I'm finding it too hard to go on and considering all sorts of silly things at the moment so some stories for others would be appreciated at such a despairing time.

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ShebaShimmyShake · 01/11/2015 15:23

I'm sorry you're having to go through this, OP. But he's made it clear what he wants, and it's not what you want. Don't be fooled by him saying what he would have done regarding your anxiety if you'd stayed together. It's easy for him to say what he'd do if you were together. But he is choosing not to be together. It's talk, and nothing more.

And beware of this as well: "I joked and said that I'll still be single in 10 years etc, and he said he would definitely look me up etc- a bit of banter which makes me realise he has just freaked out over hypothetical commitment."

You don't know what he's freaking out over. You don't know what's in his mind. You know only what you wish it were. The fact he's said he'll look you up after ten years has passed means he doesn't want those years now or what they might lead to, and you do. I do notice women often do this - believe they know what a man is thinking really even when his actions say the exact opposite. Often a man will even say explicitly what the problem is and why he's going, and the woman will still insist it's something else that's more palatable to her. It's understandable, it's human, but it doesn't help anyone and it's destructive.

Look after yourself, see friends, build a life without him. You said yourself you're not hellbent on marriage and kids, so there's no pressure. For your own sanity and wellbeing, do not imagine that you know what he's thinking or what's in his head, and do no dwell on the things he claims he would do but is actively avoiding doing.

Best of luck to you.

Costacoffeeplease · 01/11/2015 15:23

I don't think I'll ever really understand him.

Good enough reason not to waste the energy on trying - I'm sure there's someone less complicated out there for you

StarkyTheDirewolf · 01/11/2015 15:23

You went NC with him, so he asked to meet up, to see if you would. He's messing with your emotions, he asked you to meet up, to confirm with you that he made the right decision in splitting up with you. He told you he'll 'look you up in ten years' so you are supposed to wait that long to see if he fancied having a relationship with you? He knows you still have feelings for him, and that you had gone nc with him, and ignored that to see if you would meet up with him, he kissed you but said he didn't want to be with you, He's not a good guy.

Stop wasting your time on him. If he loved you, he would be with you. If he was committed to you, he would be with you, if he wanted to be in a relationship with you, he would be. (Sorry, that sounds unbelievably harsh.) Be strong and disengage, or you will end up going round in circles and untimatel, end up more hurt, you can do better. Flowers

LeftMyRidingCropInTheMortuary · 01/11/2015 15:24

Lexia, you sound like you have problems of your own (anxiety). Don't let his problems become yours.

Take a year off relationships.

You will then be on here on MN trying to stop other ladies wasting their lives on emotional fuckwits. Even if he doesn't "mean" to be be like that.

HAVE SOME RESPECT FOR YOURSELF, WOMAN!
Would you let your DD (if you had one) be in this "relationship".
He sounds like he thinks the world revolves round him. Sounds a bit wet, actually. Get rid. Nicely. But very firmly. Now. And download "the rules" to see where you went wrong.

BitOutOfPractice · 01/11/2015 15:37

Ah! I remember you now - this is the Dutch guy? THis has been going on for a while hasn't it? These death throes

The more I read about him, the more I feel he's full of shit. He is stringing you along now, prolonging the agony.

You need to go NC

DrGoogleWillSeeYouNow · 01/11/2015 15:38

FGS drop him like the turd that he is, and don't contact him again, even when he contacts you, which he totally and predictably will.

Stop wasting your time trying to analyse the meaning behind all the bullshit he spouts. Stop viewing him through rose tinted specs and see him for the tedious twerp that he is.

He's not that into you and enjoys having his ego stroked by knowing you're safely sitting on the back-burner and painting himself as some tortured soul during your meet ups. Stop indulging him. Keep yourself busy and ignore, ignore, ignore.

Lexia123 · 01/11/2015 15:40

Bitoutofpractice- yes it is. It's been an amazing 9 months and then a rock bottom 6 weeks. I'm going out of my mind with despair.

I should make it clear that I asked to meet him in half term, it didn't come from him, as he's know it will probably make it harder for both of us.

I have to move on, but I'm so cross with myself for letting myself be vulnerable and get hurt. Again.

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BitOutOfPractice · 01/11/2015 15:46

Lexia it is so so hard to let go. But you have to. The longer you keep clinging on, the longer it will take you to start getting over it. I kept clinging on for 5 months to a man who didn't want me (a Dutchman as it happens - which is why I remember you!) and it nearly killed me. It was only when I slammd the door on him (literally and metaphorically) that I could start healing. I also remember not believing people who told me this at the time!

Come on, you can do this Thanks

LeftMyRidingCropInTheMortuary · 01/11/2015 15:48

Ha! My ex-fiance was Afrikaans - they're from the Dutch!!

annandale · 01/11/2015 15:50

Tomorrow is another day.

Btw I have also had a boyfriend that 'everyone' told me really liked me. That was one of the reasons I kept chasing after him for 3 years along with the fact that he was hot as hell I have learned that the comments of friends about a partner should be taken with a pinch of salt. He did like me, actually, because he was getting so much action across the clubs of the entire nation that if he hadn't liked me he would have dumped me even more often than he actually did, but that didn't mean he wanted the same things that I did or thought the same things about me that I did about him.

Lexia123 · 01/11/2015 15:52

Thank you Bitoutofpractice. I know I can, I've done it before, last summer.... another Dutchman who never really wanted me and I ended up in a FWB situations. Cue pain and heartache.

I took me AGES to get over him, but I carried this pain into my new relationship and look what's happened. That's why it hurts more, because my bf showed me how relationships should be- committed, fun, and loving. It hurts more because the long term commitment wasn't there, and I finally got over my ex and knew I had something 1000% better that before. And now it's gone.

What's left for me? I can't say I haven't tried, and yet I've still got all the pain.

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BitOutOfPractice · 01/11/2015 15:55

What's left for you? Avoiding Holland I think Wink

It's hard. Hardest thing I have ever done. But if I can do it you can too. I'm here being your no-nonsense friend, chivvying you along but I do really feel for you. It's so painful.

Lexia123 · 01/11/2015 15:58

Thank you- I felt suicidal this morning, but it will pass. It is so painful, I feel so lonely without him.

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BitOutOfPractice · 01/11/2015 16:05

You know what you have to do. Block all his means of contacting you. Get busy. Ring up friends and organise some fun stuff. Do some exercise. Avoid alcohol. Eat healthily. Get absorbed in a book / box set. Write down how you're feeling, then rip it up / burn it. Avoid social media.

Force yourself to do all those things until it comes naturally. It will. You will recover. You know that in your head, but your heart just needs some help catching up Thanks

CharlotteCollins · 01/11/2015 16:17

Can I make a gentle suggestion for the future?

If you don't feel ready to live together, don't suggest it.

Fluffybrain · 01/11/2015 16:27

Everyone is saying it. Go no contact. It's the only way to stop the pain as you already know from past experience. But guys "The Rules"!!!! Yes read it OP. But for a laugh rather than for advice on how to attract and keep a man. Some of the advice is hilarious. "Never go jogging without lipstick on" was my absolute favourite. I used to get pissed and read it with my gay mate at uni. Had more fun with him than any exP.

Lexia123 · 01/11/2015 16:47

Charlottecollins- duly noted ;-) My own fault really there....

Fluffybrain- I will go non contact - doesn't feel very authentic but it's for the best really. Someone suggested reading The Rules last year... perhaps I should

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ShebaShimmyShake · 01/11/2015 17:13

Lexia, once you are no contact, after the initial sting, you will be amazed at how easy it is to get by without him, and how free you feel. When you inevitably have dips, reminds yourself how wonderful it will be when you no longer have these feelings and have withdrawn completely. He has no power over you except what you let him have.

Handywoman · 01/11/2015 17:31

Lexia can I also suggest some reading material? This book will literally hold your hand while you go through the pain - and go through it you must.

Order it now from Amazon:

'How to survive the loss of a love' by Harold H. Bloomfield/Melba Cosgrove/Peter McWilliams

Thanks for you.

ExasperatedAlmostAlways · 01/11/2015 17:39

My brother was with a girl for eight years. They lived together a few years and then they bought a house. He met someone else through work and started seeing her. He told his partner that he was splitting up with her because he didn't want marriage or kids. She did. But it was actually just an excuse to split up. He then moved out but kept seeing her sporadically like your ex is, whilst seeing the other girl. He told me about it and said he was torn because he did love her but wasnt in love anymore but didn't want to throw away all the years and choose the wrong person. In the end he stopped seeing his ex and stuck it out with his new partner.

Three years later (he's 32 now) they have bought a house. Have a baby (who was planned) and he's told me he's going to propose.

Just beware your ex isn't stringing you along!

ExasperatedAlmostAlways · 01/11/2015 17:44

Oh and by the way my brother wasn't the type to be a player. He is a really great, nice guy. Dedicated loving boyfriend with no history of cheating. Only me, my dad and brother knew. We were all shocked and my dad was disgusted. My brother had previously spoken out in disgust at cheating.

I'm not saying he cheated but maybe he met someone who peaked his interest hence the split.

IrritableBitchSyndrome · 01/11/2015 17:48

Sounds like he enjoys stringing you along while being free to sleep with other people. Move on. Not worth your time.

Lexia123 · 01/11/2015 17:54

I'm sorry but that is just not him. He has been cheated on himself in the past and knows how awful that is. He is a great guy, and I trust that he has been honest with me. He's not having an amazing time by all accounts, because he didn't want to break up but I think fear of the future overrode that- I know at times fear has made me give up on other things.

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ShebaShimmyShake · 01/11/2015 21:29

Lexia, even if you're right and he's actually a tortured poetic soul who has fled out of fear for his undying love of you and to escape his tragic past, it still doesn't matter. He had a choice and he's made it. Never mind what he says, look at what he does.

He has chosen to end it, and all he's got for you now is a promise of how amazing he would have been if he had decided to stick with you (gee, thanks) and a half-arsed semi joke about looking you up again in ten years' time if you're still hanging around for him. This is not good enough for you to hang your hat on.

He has made a choice. You can agonise over it, you can theorise over why he made it, you can paint him in any image you like in your head, but the fact is, he made that choice.

You can't control what he does. You can control your reaction to it. It will take time and there will be peaks and troughs, but it can be done.

Duckdeamon · 01/11/2015 22:07

He may or may not be a "great guy" but he isn't into you - if he was he'd be with you - and isn't a good bet to spend your time and energy on right now.

People sometimes fear being dumped a lot and then surprise their gf by doing the dumping because they like control.