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Expat/ trailing spouse of workaholic.

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NinjaChipmunk · 25/10/2015 08:03

Not sure where to start really. Been with dh 18 years, 2 dc aged 8 and 3. I think we are both equally to blame for our situation. Currently living in European country due to his work. He's always been a workaholic but it has got worse over the years. He leaves at 7.30 and gets home anytime between 7.30 and 10ish. He then eats (we've usually eaten by then) helps with teeth and bed (he only ever does the oldest though) and usually heads into his office at home and works a bit more. He often works from home on at least one weekend day and is always checking emails. He travels frequently. We can go through a day having spoken only a handful of words. We go to bed at different times. We do not have a physical relationship and haven't for around 3 and a half years (since pg with dc2). We don't cuddle and it's a quick peck at bedtime to say goodnight. I did not want to move over here but felt my choice was that or separation. It was an extremely painful time. We dont talk. I have a lot of built up resentment both at him and myself on how we have dealt with our relationship over the years. We have never been on an equal footing financially. I have a biggish overdraft in the UK due to me paying more than I could afford on childcare and food when dc 2 was at nursery in the uk. We tried to talk at the time but it just dissolved into rows each time so I just closed myself off and dealt with it. Other similar things have happened over the years hence the resentment and lack of communication. Basically work comes first then the kids then me.

If I felt we ultimately wanted the same things maybe I wouldn't feel like this. I want my life to be sociable, lunches with family and friends, kids seeing their friends (a lot of whom have parents who are also friends), I'd quite like a dog. I would prefer cheaper lifestyle and do not particularly feel the need to buy shit every time I go into the nearest town. I want (and had prior to leaving) a job that I enjoyed and was varied but not too pressured/ stressful (been there,done that, didn't like it). Most of all I want to go home. Not necessarily our actual house but back to the UK.

He is all about work and instant gratification when shopping, he thinks eating out 2-3 times a week is normal. He loves that hes moved abroad and makes snarky comments about how people back home haven't grown like he has as they are still living the same lives. Im pretty sure he will want to go to another country rather than go home when it is time.

I'll be honest I feel I've pretty much checked out of this relationship at least 50% of the time. Dont get me wrong, he is a lovely guy and we have a similar sense of humour and I do care about him but i would say i love but I'm not in love. I am pretty much stuck here due to contractual obligations of the job for around another 18 months. I need to spend this time working out wtf I am going to do. I cant get a job here outside of the home due to how childcare works here (I basically live in the 1950s to 1970s here) but have luckily been offered a work from home part time job for a friend.

If you are still reading this then any help or advice would be lovely. Im so lonely and whilst my friends here have partners who work a lot, I dont feel I can talk to them about this.

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NinjaChipmunk · 26/10/2015 10:59

coasting we only got married as we were moving abroad and I insisted. Been together 18 years. Married 14 months.

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Coastingit · 26/10/2015 11:06
Sad

What do you feel if you imagine a life without him in it? I know the move back to UK would be daunting, but he is legally obliged to help with the kids etc. And doing it now, with or without him, would be a heck of a lot easier than doing it once the kids have finished education and even left home - it would be very difficult for you financially in that case I think.

You need to talk to him. You absolutely must. Make it clear that this isn't random griping and complaining about the situation, or even at him, but that it's about your future.

Coastingit · 26/10/2015 11:09

The way you write about your relationship is as though you are both at fault, that you are both not trying any more. But a marriage with children in it requires practical and emotional input from both parents to each other and the kids - and both practically and emotionally, the buck seems to lie with you. Finances are just so, so unimportant and he is excuse my Frenxh but being a total twat for seeming to believe that because he brings home the bacon, it excuses him from the practical and emotional work that must go into maintaining relationships!

alteredimages · 26/10/2015 11:11

Hope you are having a good day today Ninja. Smile

It is good that time is on your side. Maybe a long chat about medium term plans will take the pressure off a bit. His reaction may well tell you everything you need to know.

As Againagain2015 suggested, are frequent trips back to the UK feasible, especially if you save money by not eating out as much? I find that I mentally reset after going back home for a bit and feel much better.

We are not expats, I just married a foreigner and we live in his home country, plus we are skint, so I end up doing the opposite of what I should by ordering takeaway because I feel too crap to cook. Blush

NinjaChipmunk · 26/10/2015 19:57

coasting my thoughts are that it'd be hard but really liberating. To have my home with my stuff that I've chosen not stuff he's bought as he was out and it was an impulse. Not that he has bad taste but you know what I mean. I can imagine that really rather too well. I think maybe I should sit down with a notebook and try and put down my wants and needs and visions of the future I want. Maybe also try to articulate what I feel is wrong/ lacking. I maybe proved wrong but I think the future he sees is not as sociable and extended-family- and- friends centered as mine. I think his might be a lot more materialistic. I've been thinking a lot the last few days as my brother is having some relationship issues with his Mrs as well. In a way I kind of wish dh would have an affair so I could have an easy out. I also read the thread about how you knew a relationship was finished. I related far to closely to a lot of them. It makes me feel like yes I do want to separate but the thought of what would actually happen, I'm not quite ready to deal with yet. As I said before we can't go anywhere for a while. I need to form a plan on the whole thing from having the talk we both know needs to happen to sorting out wtf happens after that, either together or apart. I think I need to feel a bit stronger first.
altered I wish I could travel home a lot but no, a couple of times a year. Hopefully a bit more next year. I make sure I keep in touch with friends as often as possible though even if it's little comments on fb or whatever.
You sound a little resigned to your current situation. Are you okay wherever you are?

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alteredimages · 27/10/2015 11:18

It sounds positive that you have been able to articulate quite a lot of what you feel is wrong Ninja.

I am fine, I think. The real issue is that I regret not having pursued a career and now that I am a SAHM with two small kids it all feels a bit too late and too difficult. I hate being purely defined as wife of and mother of. But meh. There are a couple of other things that happened at the beginning of our relationship that I haven't dealt with well, but it is all a bit high stakes so I think staying put is best really. DH is a lovely man and does everything I ask of him, pretty much, so I don't feel that the consequences are worth it for me feeling a bit more free.

NinjaChipmunk · 27/10/2015 12:10

Just a thought altered but have you ever looked at open university courses or distance learning? On ou you can do some short courses for free and usually there is a more comprehensive payable version if you want to do it. I've done a couple of the short courses and they were easy to do online. Might help you gain that part back?

I seem to veer between wanting to separate and have my own space and do things my way (which I don't feel I've been able to but this is not something I blame dh for) and then I realise I owe him more of a chance for us to make things right. It's so confusing. I wish there was an actual catalyst to force the subject (and my decision ). I know I'm also partly to blame in all of this for not making my point clearer and also for shutting bits of myself down in the relationship.
But neither of us make the effort, what does that say?

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alteredimages · 27/10/2015 12:25

Yes, Ninja I have done a few MOOCs recently, but DH has gotten in on the act and now always wants to do the same ones, which takes the shine off it. I do love doing them though. Smile

I contacted my old university department, which is very small, because they seem to be trying to create an alumni network but they haven't replied. Sad

I feel exactly the same way as you on a constant basis!

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