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DP had an EA with woman almost half my age

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downandoutlorelai · 20/10/2015 20:15

Have NC as a regular poster and I am not going to leave my partner (I think) so need to maintain some privacy.

Will keep this short, sweet and factual.

  • I am 50. DP 35. OW is 26.
  • He had an EA (no sex, but kissed one drunken night)
  • EA lasted 4 months
  • EA ended when OW asked him to leave me.
  • DP declined to leave me as it wasn't the right time.

This all happened 2 years ago. We are still together. However I only discovered the last point yesterday.

Anyone have any experience of this? Could really do with some advice. My head is fuzzy and I cannot think.

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ForChina · 20/10/2015 20:58

Sounds like he used her for an ego boost. You can get past this if you both want to.

downandoutlorelai · 20/10/2015 21:08

He was acting strange so I asked him what's going on. He admitted to the EA. 2 years later, I now find the text referred in my earlier post.

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ohmyeyebettymartin · 20/10/2015 21:08

I was once unwittingly the other woman (in my defence I now suspect I have ASD and it took me a long time to put the clues together). As soon as I found out, I dumped him. But this was some months down the track. This was in pre-texting days and I seriously doubt his DP ever found out. It simply didn't occur to me until this very moment to contact her. Anyway my point is, with this particular guy, I'm sure he cheated again as soon as he got the chance. I don't really have the idea that many people do it as a one-off and then stop.

ohmyeyebettymartin · 20/10/2015 21:10

Aha I get it all now.

For my part I probably wouldn't be inclined to give the text a second thought. But as
I admitted above, I'm pretty clueless with that sort of thing and tend to take things at face value. Anchor makes some pretty good points IMO.

downandoutlorelai · 20/10/2015 21:11

China, I was hoping that was the case.

He went NC with her once she started to ask him to leave me.

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Norest · 20/10/2015 22:27

If he went NC when she asked him to leave you and stuck to it, then I would see his whole 'not right time' thing as a way of saying no to her 'gently' and would not put that much stock in it.

But I guess you have to put it into context of how he has been since he owned up? Has he given you any reason to think he has been anything other than committed to regaining your trust and rebuilding your relationship during the time since then?

MsAdorabelleDearheartVonLipwig · 20/10/2015 23:14

Sorry, been busy. In answer to your question to me I just meant he obviously had a nice happy life at home with you and wasn't prepared to give that up.

sykadelic · 21/10/2015 03:54

I think your last sentence is the important one here...

He went NC with her once she started to ask him to leave me

I don't think he's interested in leaving you, but I also don't think he's interested in being faithful. He didn't stop the affair until she got too clingy. It was nothing about him learning his lesson, or changing his mind. It's simply that he wasn't interested in giving up what he has with you.

Based on what little we know, I think your options are that:

  1. he loves you and is just not "getting enough from you sexually" and doesn't equate sex with love and consider it as bad as leaving you; OR
  2. he sees staying with you as easy. The life he has with you is fine; OR
  3. he regrets what happened and it won't happen again; OR
  4. something else.

I don't think it's #3, I think it's one of the others. Either way, its up to you to decide whether you're okay with the risk of him stepping out occasionally and knowing he has such little respect for you.

sykadelic · 21/10/2015 03:55

I think your last sentence is the important one here...

He went NC with her once she started to ask him to leave me

I don't think he's interested in leaving you, but I also don't think he's interested in being faithful. He didn't stop the affair until she got too clingy. It was nothing about him learning his lesson, or changing his mind. It's simply that he wasn't interested in giving up what he has with you.

Based on what little we know, I think your options are that:

  1. he loves you and is just not "getting enough from you sexually" and doesn't equate sex with love and consider it as bad as leaving you; OR
  2. he sees staying with you as easy. The life he has with you is fine; OR
  3. he regrets what happened and it won't happen again; OR
  4. something else.

I don't think it's #3, I think it's one of the others. Either way, its up to you to decide whether you're okay with the risk of him stepping out occasionally and knowing he has such little respect for you.

Mermaidhair · 21/10/2015 04:40

What was going on during this emotional affair? 4 months is still 4 months to long for me. I could maybe forgive one very drinker quick peck, only maybe. But it's different when they start to lie day after day, week after week. It must have hurt.

Mermaidhair · 21/10/2015 04:43

*drunk

Mermaidhair · 21/10/2015 04:44

I know you say that you love him, but you need to love you more.

downandoutlorelai · 21/10/2015 06:47

Based on what he told me and what I could see from the messaging, the 4 months went something like this;

  • Met OW at work
  • Spent a lot of time talking at work where they both complained about not being in ideal relationships.
  • OW relationship ended soon after above conversation
  • Drinks with mutual friends, he tells OW he doesn't love me
  • He tries to arrange a date with OW outside of work, OW can't make it.
  • More drinks with mutual friends, they end up at someone's house. They kiss. OW wants sex only at this stage, he declines on basis he does not want meaningless sex (outside of a relationship). Brief talk of him leaving me.
  • More social drinks through work
  • OW u-turns and now wants relationship, asks him to leave me. He says no. She tries to stay friends. He ignores. No further contact.
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Wristy · 21/10/2015 08:11

So ask him if the relationship you have now is ideal. It sounds as if to him neither you nor her were/are ideal.
When he meets ideal I'd be expecting him to be off I'm afraid.

SpringTown46 · 21/10/2015 08:45

Did you actually see the text where she asked him to leave? Or is that what he told you/implied?

SpringTown46 · 21/10/2015 08:49

Because I think it is more probable that she ended the relationship, and he is trying to cover up his potential betrayal.

AgathaF · 21/10/2015 09:03

Have you asked him what he felt was not ideal about your relationship? Do you belive he loves you now? Did you believe he loved you then? Do you think you have a good relationship now? He sounds uncommitted but maybe things have improved since that time.

AnchorDownDeepBreath · 21/10/2015 09:23

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AnchorDownDeepBreath · 21/10/2015 09:23

I don't think she was just an ego boost.

Okay, so they met at work. I meet a lot of people at work, I don't talk to them about my relationships in general, maybe a "How is X?" type conversation. Taking it down the "oh it's not great" path is a cheater's pathway, it's assessing interest.

OW thinks about what she's said and breaks her relationship up. That's quite a clear signal but your DP ignores this.

They go for drinks. He volunteers the information that he's realised he doesn't love you. It's another hook. If it was true, he needed to be telling you, no-one else. It's for effect, though, it's setting up the stage.

He decides to see how he and OW get on before he leaves you. She's either genuinely busy or not that interested in dating him whilst he has a partner. Regardless, she doesn't prioritise being able to make the date, which annoys him. If he's going to have an affair and rationalise it, she needs to be running around after him so he can blame her (in his head, and potentially to you).

They meet up again, things get more physical, they kiss. She suggests they have sex as a one-off (she's rationalized that sleeping with him once isn't as bad as having an ongoing affair with him). He rejects that, he doesn't want just sex, he wants a relationship. She probably says that she won't date him whilst he's with you, which starts a conversation about him leaving you.

They keep meeting for innocent drinks, keep having conversations about whether he'll leave you, how unhappy he is...all the lines he's already fed her to prepare for the affair.

She finally decides that she doesn't want to play games anymore and if he wants to date her, he needs to leave you. He doesn't like that he doesn't have any power anymore, and refuses. It's not fun if he's not the one in control. She has a go at just being friends, he's not interested because he never wanted to be her friend, he wanted an affair with her.

Mermaidhair · 21/10/2015 10:36

I am impressed Anchor ! You know human behaviour. I'm coming straight to you when I'm stuck in a situation.

ILiveAtTheBeach · 21/10/2015 14:43

What Anchor said. Plus.....

I have no idea how you managed to stay with a guy who has told OW that he doesn't love you !! You make no mention of him trying to make things up to you and saying that it was a line he didn't mean, and that he DOES love you. Did he grovel and beg? Has he been perfect ever since?

I don't think anyone would ask a man to leave their wife, and yet they've not even had sex yet? Confused

I am a bit uncomfortable with the age gap thing. Not that you can't have fun with a younger man (I have done so myself), but I think you're setting yourself up for a fall, if you think a 15 year age gap isn't a problem in a committed relationship.....You are 50. He could legitimately date women in their 20's. I consider myself a good looking 45 year old, but I wouldn't want to compete with a nubile 25 year old! And, doesn't he want kids?

It's just a guess, but I think he probably has financial stability with you and he will leave you when he can financially afford to. Then it will be "the right time". I really hope that you have not put him on your mortgage and that if he left, you will be ok for money. I would really sort that out.

PurpleElla · 21/10/2015 14:56

I wouldn't worry too much about his wording of the break up with her. It's possible he didn't want to upset her by saying something like he loves you or wants to be with you not her. So he said it's not the right time as that's less hurtful.

The key point is that he came clean without discovery and has chosen to stay with you and been NC since. As long as you have no suspicions about further cheating I'd say nothing has changed on discovery of this text.

Muckogy · 21/10/2015 15:18

i would end this.
sorry - but i think he is too young and immature for you. he knows this but can't admit it.

you sound very much like an option for him, rather than a priority.
i'd hate to be the woman a guy is with, just because there's nowt that he thinks is better around at the moment.
i would bin and move on.
this one will end badly eventually, i think, if you don't end it now.
sorry but i think you know the answer to this but can't admit it yet.

lighteningirl · 21/10/2015 15:24

You have a childman in your life he doesn't want to be a grown up get rid he's not worth it.

downandoutlorelai · 21/10/2015 22:07

Thanks for all the advice all, will try and address each point.

Since he admitted, he has tried to be better. We spend more time at home together, he goes out less.

We are both high earners, but I earn more.

We both want children and are planning on adopting once we are ready. This was discussed at the outset.

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