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once a cheater, always a cheater?

21 replies

BlueBlueBelles · 19/10/2015 19:22

I mean, if someone has cheated once and you forgive and forget (either emotional affair, intent for a physical affair or physical affair) do you honestly think these people change?

Has any body had someone been found out and rebuilt it?

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Rainbowlou1 · 19/10/2015 19:37

Am going through this at the moment so interested to find this out myself!
I hope You're ok xx

BlueBlueBelles · 19/10/2015 19:42

Not me thankfully - sorry to hear you are going through it :-(

Friend of mine. I made the mistake of telling her when she was angry that it wasn't her fault, he was an arsehole, etc etc.

Now she's angry with me because she's taken him back as she's more forgiving than a lot of us etc.

I've said nothing now, but trying to get my head around what to do next.

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BlueBlueBelles · 19/10/2015 19:43

It's like reading the script her messages though.

It's her fault. He needed attention and cuddles and sex. He forgot what he had with her and the kids. He wants back in the family etc etc

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HoweyWoloWizard · 19/10/2015 19:43

Sad to say I once cheated on an ex. I broke up with him the next day, we were going to break up anyway (not that that justifies cheating). I would never do it again!

BlueBlueBelles · 19/10/2015 19:45

But howey, respect to you for ending your relationship tbh and walking away.

If you'd stayed do you think you'd have been tempted again though?

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HoweyWoloWizard · 19/10/2015 19:46

If I'd stayed I'd definitely have cheated again. I had no love left for him. But that doesn't seem to be the case for you

HappyBeet · 19/10/2015 19:47

It might happen, just not in my experience.

DH's Dad left his first wife for his mum. Then he left his mum for another woman after ten years. And do on and so forth. I believe he is on number 4 now.

A good friend of mine who I met whilst doing an access course was left by her husband while she was twenty weeks pregnant with no.3

Lots of rants on Facebook. Followed by a reconciliation and lots of posts about how much they are in love now, it's made them stronger etc.

Must admit I was a bit Hmm but thought well good for her if it works.

Two months ago he left again for the same friend. Her Dc4 is due any day now.

HoweyWoloWizard · 19/10/2015 19:47

Your friend I mean!

BlueBlueBelles · 19/10/2015 19:49

Tbh howey I think he's realised he's got no where to live, no money etc (other woman was short term) so he's crawled back begging to keep his feet under the table. But I obviously can't say that to her

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BlueBlueBelles · 19/10/2015 19:50

Happy seen that with some of my fb friends over and over and over and over again. Three stick in my head. It's sad, I want to shake them to give them self respect, to tell them they shouldn't have to beg for someone to love them unconditionally, that being on your own as a single mum is better than being a doormat wondering where he is or who he is fucking now

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HoweyWoloWizard · 19/10/2015 19:55

Sounds like he's not really sorry at all, sounds like an absolute sleaze to me.

Gabilan · 19/10/2015 19:55

My parents have been married nearly 50 years. One had a physical affair, years later the other had an EA. They got through it but it takes genuine remorse on the part of the cheater

BlueBlueBelles · 19/10/2015 19:56

That's my feeling completely, I have unfriended him on fb etc as tbh I don't like him.

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goshhhhhh · 19/10/2015 19:56

My dh did 13 years ago. I forgave him, we worked it through & I think I understand why. I'm as sure as I can be that he hasn't again. I vowed never to bring it up un an argument & I never have. We are different (in a not necessarily bad way) because of it.

HellesBelles01 · 19/10/2015 19:57

"Once a cheater, always a cheater" is a pretty sweeping statement. I really think it depends on the individual.

I was the cheater once - 6 years ago. I justified my actions to myself at the time but there's no denying the hurt and upset it caused. I ended up leaving my DP and moving out to be with the OM so it had massive financial and practical implications (ex and I owned our house at the time).

I thought I was doing the right thing and was going to sail off into the sunset with my OM. Of course it didn't work out like that.

Ultimately, it just wasn't worth the pain suffered by those involved. For that reason, I would never do it again.

I'm not sure if it's truly possible to stay with (and be happy with) a partner who has cheated. The trust is gone and it will always be in the background. If the cheater worked late, or went out with friends, I would wonder whether they were doing it again. I couldn't live with that doubt and insecurity. Cheating by it's nature involves a lot of deceit and lies - no one deserves that, it's a form of abuse. Better to move on, IMHO.

jellyjiggles · 19/10/2015 19:59

I think people who are genuinely sorry. Accept its their fault completely that they cheated and have had the shock of their lives will not do it again. Taking total responsibility for their actions and changing everything they did before. Moving jobs, going no contact, changing all methods of contact etc.

However Grin those that say things like. I did it because our relationship wasn't right, I felt ignored, I needed attention etc. These are the ones that will do it again.

They'll do it again because they haven't recognised what they did was completely their doing and that what they should have done was address the problems in their relationship.

TinklyLittleLaugh · 19/10/2015 20:02

DH and I cheated on our then partners to be together. We have been together 24 years and not cheated on each other. I know we did wrong and should have ended our relationships before starting an affair. But we were young and selfish.

Once a cheater not always a cheater.

HellesBelles01 · 19/10/2015 20:04

I'm sorry to hear about your friend Blue (took me ages to type my post so had only read the OP).

I should also point out that I had no children with DP - I expect my experience would have been very different if we had.

HappyBeet · 19/10/2015 20:06

Blue I think there can be a lot of fear/stigma in some people's minds about being a single parent.

I agree with those up thread that maybe it's possible if a cheater is genuinely remorseful. But how do you tell the difference?

My friends husband was the very model of what is described above. He changed jobs (him and friend worked together) took full responsibility, never tried to say it was her etc.

But it turned out in the end that he was seeing her friend all the way through their reconciliation. She never checked up on him, she told me over coffee once she couldn't didn't want to ruin it by showing mistrust of him.

It was only after when he left and she looked through his deleted messages that she saw that the perfectly innocent traffic jams, crisis at work etc. were actually him lying again.

Marilynsbigsister · 19/10/2015 21:55

Like tinkly Dh and I cheated on our partners to be together. Been together 14 yrs now. We are still love of each other's lives. Not true that once a cheater always a cheater but wish we hadn't hurt others with all my heart.

GutInstinct · 20/10/2015 08:36

IMO it's never as black and white as that, and you will always find people who have been in each situation, so the one who forgave their partner only for that partner to go on to cheat again, but then you will find someone whose partner cheated, showed remorse, they went to couples therapy, worked on the issues which led to the affair, and their relationship lasts. And conversely you will find people who had an affair, left their marriage and are happy elsewhere but would never do it again, while there will be those who leave the marriage and then go on to cheat again when the new relationship becomes monotonous - iyswim.

From my own experience the one thing which is crucial to recovering from an affair is complete honesty on both sides. That doesn't mean that the betrayed-upon partner needs to accept any of the blame, affairs are not justified, but it's simplistic to suggest that there is never a catalyst which leads to an affair. But if what the cheater says is the reason isn't something which the cheated-on can identify with, then chances are the relationship won't recover. So e.g. if the cheater says there was no sex and the cheated-on knows they've been doing it three times a week then the cheated-on isn't going to feel they need to have sex more to be a part of fixing the relationship and neither should they. however, if there's been no sex for two years and a refusal to engage on the matter, then it may be possible to work on those issues in order to repair the relationship. That being said, the person being cheated on may just feel that the relationship can't be repaired and may choose to end it anyway, iyswim.

I was cheated on but then ended up cheating in the same relationship. My ex had an affair just months after we moved in together. He denied the affair but admitted the infatuation with someone else, his justification was that he felt we were possibly different people, he didn't like the music I listened to or the clothes I wore, and yes, the reasons were that simplistic. We moved past it and I made efforts to change. Meanwhile the ow ended their affair because she sstarted seeing someone else who was married. ex never showed any remorse, just justified his position. What I didn't realise was that this was in fact the beginning of an abusive relationship. Over the next fifteen years or so he completely broke down my confidence, isolated me from people, convinced me that I had no real friends, moved me away from any support network while dc were still relatively young, and then isolated me further. He made it difficult for me to go back to work, thus meaning I was financially dependent on him. Over the years we talked about splitting up on numerous occasions. Something would happen and I would withdraw and talk about splitting. But then something would always come up which made it impossible for me to make that ultimate decision. And then I met someone else who made me see that there was more to me than who I had become. And I'm afraid to say that I had a brief affair. I didn't leave for the OM fwiw, but that affair made me realise that I could never stay where I was. I do however bitterly regret the way in which I had ended my relationship, and wish I'd had the courage to do it sooner. And I can honestly say hand on heart that I would never, ever have another affair. My ex would have forgiven me, and wanted us to try again. But I knew that life would have been even more unbearable if that had happened, and I realised that I didn't love him. A part of me felt that I should try again because I owed it to him to repair the hurt I had caused, but I couldn't do it, so we split nearly four years ago. The reason for the end of the relationship was my affair, I am therefore considered 100% to blame and will carry that for the rest of my life. but there were so many things which led up to a point where I had an affair that it really is never that simple. that doesn't justify the affair, affairs aren't justified, but it just never is as simple as someone wanting some fun elsewhere. If your self esteem is at a point where you believe you are worthless and someone tells you that's not true, then you can find yourself vulnerable. The key is to recognising the boundaries and never crossing them, if someone has done that once then they know the next time what the boundaries are.

What I would say though is that there is no right or wrong answer wrt the reaction of the person who is cheated on. Some people want to try again, and at that time that action might be right for them. It may work out, it may not, but while it's often easy to give advice based on experience, every person and every relationship is different. So if the op's friend feels she wants to work things out then that may be what she needs to try in order to bring her to the place where she realises it's hopeless, or it may in fact work for her and they may resolve any issues, he may be remorseful, and the marriage may last for another who knows how long. similarly an affair might be an immediate deal-breaker, and equally that is what someone should do if that's what they feel, and no-one should feel pressured to stay with someone just because that someone says they're sorry and want to try again.

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