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Aunt shared opinion of me as a child

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magnoliabloom · 13/10/2015 21:58

Have NC but been around years (Pom bears, naive ham, cutter up pear, penis beaker, etc)

Have limited contact with most of family - multiple reasons and NC with other for many, many years.
However, uncle was dying and family was in denial leaving my aunt alone with the situation / them not visiting. I travelled to see them (as no one else would basically) - uncle was my dad's brother and aunt is the married in family.

Anyway, I never felt well liked as a child but over the years have reasoned this out and counter many of the negative messages parents, etc delivered to me. I don't buy into the crap basically and see it for what it is - their issues...

However, during the dog my aunt suddenly said 'It's amazing really. You were such a horrible child. Some of the things you said made me want to box your ears I couldn't imagine liking you as an adult but we get on so well now'

To say I was a bit shocked is an understatement- I just mumbled and changed the subject. It was months ago but it has me wondering - I can't get my head round it. Was I a 'horrible child' (ok if it was the case- I didn't have a happy childhood) or was she not a very nice adult?

Help me make sense of it please....

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cantmakeme · 15/10/2015 00:18

That's horrible. It says more about your aunt than it says about you, really.

PitilessYank · 15/10/2015 02:31

Your aunt has a severe deficiency of Vitamin T (T for tact).

This mythology of you having been a difficult child, as previous posters have noted, is a product of your family dynamic. I'd bet my house that your were a good kid, sometimes charming, sometimes not, like all of us were.

ravenmum · 15/10/2015 07:13

My children have at various times been rude, selfish, nasty, sulking, screaming, smelly tantrum-throwing chatterboxes. This has come as no surprise to me as they are children. They are learning how to behave in society, and working out what kind of people they want to be. That's what you do when you're a child. They are great kids and I love them very much. I think they'll make a pair of wonderful adults.

Does your aunt have children of her own?

Imbroglio · 15/10/2015 09:13

One of my aunts told me quite recently that she had disliked me since I was a little girl. It was shocking. Like being punched in the stomach.

It made no sense because I hardly ever saw her when I was a child. We lived a long way away and only visited for the occasional Christmas etc, and saw her even less in the ensuing years, so the basis for this dislike seemed pretty flimsy. And I don't remember her ever paying me any attention over the years - no birthday cards or anything, so she just wasn't part of my life.

I have come to understand now that my aunt is very jealous of my mum. Its got nothing to do with me at all. But she has poisoned lots of the family against me and even tried to turn my mum against me.

LaContessaDiPlump · 15/10/2015 09:21

You've done nothing wrong op, and it was very cruel/thoughtless of her to say such a thing to you.

It could have been worse though; a friend of mine had to listen to an old family friend saying 'You know, I told your mother to have an abortion when she got pregnant with you. She didn't listen to me though.' Shock

Whatevva · 15/10/2015 09:50

Was she used to children?

It could well be that you did not appear to behave very well in the eyes of someone who thinks children should always behave delightfully in adult company, because of your relationships at home. If she was not used to children and confident of her own opinions, or was brought up to be drilled to be good in company, then she could have bought into your parents' opinion, especially if it was reinforced by her husband (who is the same family, therefore likely to have learned similar attitudes).

I would take it as a very backhanded compliment, and the answer should be 'Yes, I had a lot of difficulties growing up but have put them behind me now', even if you don't actually say that to her.

(My DH is a great believer in taking everything as compliments - has a skin like a rhino.)

Atenco · 15/10/2015 17:19

It could well be that you did not appear to behave very well in the eyes of someone who thinks children should always behave delightfully in adult company

And you may have had an off-day when you were visiting her once.

When my dd was a small baby I had friends who only seemed to see her on her off-days and other friends who only seemed to see her on her good days, as you can imagine former really pitied me while the latter understood how lucky I was.

magnoliabloom · 16/10/2015 00:42

Sorry was really busy yesterday

Yes Aunt has 3 children of her own and lots of grandchildren (not my uncles children and older than me). I must admit I find her quite difficult though she has mellowed with age.

I probably was a bit of a brat at times (as all children can be) but nothing major that I recall. I had a pretty difficult childhood so I was perhaps giving off vibes... who knows...

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MiscellaneousAssortment · 16/10/2015 01:53

I find it a source of endless surprise that people old enough to know better see nothing wrong in judging children on completely inappropriate criteria and interpreting children doing child-like things, to fit arbitrary stories and roles.

I was the awful one in the family, horrible, nasty, thoughtless, cruel, selfish, demanding, 'not right in the head', deliberately making everyone's lives harder and upsetting etc etc etc.

I believed it through my teens, and actually my 20s too, as I struggled to deal with the fall-out of a very damaging childhood.

It's only since having my DS that I've been able to revisit and re-evaluate events and see how very unhealthy and abusive my life had been. It's when I glance at my little boy, and imagine the things that happened /were said to me... And notice my instinctual reaction to protect him from hurt, and I look at him, and see a little child, and feel how out of kilter my mothers reactions were towards a dependent, loving little child.

I wish I could have worked that out earlier, but better late than never!

The event that best sums up the realisation that I wasn't this disgustingly hideous child, and that this narrative came from the adults in my life, happened when DS was only 11months old...

DS was poorly, horrible chest infection. Had just started antibiotics that day, and the gp had said to he alert that night and take him to A&E if he got any worse during the night. So, he was in pain and utterly miserable, breathing eased by holding DS upright & los of comforting the poor little chap.... My mother insists on taking him, then two minutes later I hear upset and rush back in time to hear my mother exclaim 'oh he HATES me, look at him, he's REJECTING me, he wants to get away from me, he's HITTING me - look!'

Poor DS was crying and whimpering obviously feeling miserable and poorly, and he was arching his back whilst wailing/ trying to breathe, so pushing up and backwards with his hands on my mothers chest.

Far from arousing pity and concern, she felt nothing except hurt and anger.

I was staggered. How could she misinterpret a baby's actions as all about my mother and DS being 'nasty' to her? And that was her gut reaction to a baby in pain was ignoring needs, projecting adult emotions and actions onto an under 1 yr old, and then pushing her emotions and hurt onto a baby. Ugh!

I'm glad I don't live in her head, where it's more believable than 'he's poorly and in pain'... even though she knew he was poorly and in pain. Ultimate self centred ness. Ffs.

She shoved him back at me in disgust (not gently, showing anger at him), and then proceeded to whine for ages about how hurt she was that the err, 11mth old baby had been so horrible to poor little defenceless grandma. Angry Vom.

Something went click in my brain as I could see how her crazy self centred interpretations and how she acting out in 'response' ended up in such a twisted family environment, if starting from birth she reacted like that, by the time I was a toddler it would have been game over for any mother- child bond. I often felt her hatred and contempt for me, blamed myself, and was blamed by the rest of the family.., but now I see with adult eyes and know that the 'reality' I lived with was the warped delusion of adults around me.

It helped so much seeing for myself how it all went so wrong really helped me stop blaming myself, after all, my first instinct was to rush in and protect my baby from a bad situation, but when I was a baby, my mother WAS the source of the damage, and so I didn't have anyone to protect me.

Sorry a bit long, but hoping you might take something out of it too... Just understanding that you were a child reacting to damaging relationships. Maybe you were a bit tricky sometimes, but A. You were a CHILD, learning and growing, immature by design (as it were), not as a flaw!, and B. You might have shown the consequences of a bad family environment in their behaviour occasionally, but that's not 'acting out' or 'being nasty', that would be the natural consequences / reaction to a harmful situation.

I bet you were a lovely child :)

Whatevva · 16/10/2015 15:39

If you want a child to behave, you have to show them how to do it.

I learned this off the Nanny knows best TV programme that was on years ago, before I had my children. It is blindingly obvious, but no one seems to realise it! Poor children have to learn by being told what not to do all the time, and that can take a long time sometimes.

ravenmum · 16/10/2015 16:13

When a child cries because she is tired, grumpy etc. my mother makes comments about how she "just wants the attention" and ignores her as otherwise it's just going to encourage it (giving the child a beady-eyed "I kknow what you're up to" look. It took me a long time to realise why I felt so uncomfortable about this situation. Probably as I was brought up feeling as if I was being a naughty attention seeker myself ... now I realise that sometimes a child does indeed want "attention", i.e. her mum to take an interest / give her a cuddle, and there's nothing wrong or naughty about that!

Aqualady · 16/10/2015 16:21

You might have had a few moments where you wasn't at your best.....

I remember a play worker telling me when I was 14 that when I was 8 that I was an 'imp and not very pleasant' I was taken back by it and felt crap.

Truth was I wasn't very pleasant and that's because both of my parents were arseholes.

Whatevva · 16/10/2015 16:25

One of my twins was like that.

I used to just pick her up, without any fuss, and carry on with what I was doing and let her cling. She just needed reassurance. It really wasn't worth picking a fight over. She grew out of it. She was small and got tired easily and did not deal with her emotions well. It was worth a cuddle. There was no fuss, as that would have made it into a reward, then her sister would have joined in and my knees would have buckled!

It wasn't how I was brought up and I was accused of soft parenting etc but have no regrets.

NannyMcfanny · 16/10/2015 16:44

You sound exactly like me, with the same personality as a child and adult. I am also the black sheep. It's horrible. I know my family love me but are secretly disappointed in me, for what I'm not sure.

magnoliabloom · 17/10/2015 23:40

Miscillanious

Thank you so much for sharing that -you have summed it up perfectly

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