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I need advice, I don't know how to support my friend RE abusive dh

15 replies

ForeverLivingMyArse · 11/10/2015 01:56

I'm quite upset, sorry if I'm not hugely coherent.

I've known df for years, before she met and married her dh.

In June I met her for the first time in a while (normal for us) and she told me how her dh had physically attacked her a few times,she'd pressed charges and were split up.

A few weeks ago I was meeting her and she text just before hand to say her dhabi was coming which was a surprise as I thought she'd left. Due to the event we were at. We weren't able to talk.

We've met up again tonight to cAtch up properly and she's back with him, living together. He's being really awful, not allowing her to reactivate her Facebook, meet up with certain friends and again physically drag her her across. The living room by her hair 6 weeks ago.

She's saying that marriage, it's a commitment, she's changed so things will get better and it'll work out.

I've told her my views, to a certain point, but I'm very aware I don't want to alienate her completely so made it clear I was here for her whatever.

She's insisting she's safe, and will leave it it happens again. I've just seen her into a taxi back to her home where he's waiting and I'm sick with worry.

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TendonQueen · 11/10/2015 02:23

Sadly you can't do a lot. All you can do till she changes her mind is be there to keep telling her this isn't ok and she doesn't have to put up with it. You've said you will be there for her. She will have to be ready to make the break.

NameChange30 · 11/10/2015 03:41

Tendon is right. You could suggest that she gets some counselling. This might help her eventually come to the right conclusion, and give her support in the meantime.
You could also give her the phone number for the domestic violence helpline (24h) run by Women's Aid and Refuge. Save it in her phone and/or slip it into her purse on a piece of paper, then tell her you've done it. Encourage her to call them next time he assaults her.

NameChange30 · 11/10/2015 03:46

Another idea. Do you know if your friend uses MN? If not could you bring it up? It's a long-winded way of helping but if you get her into MN and she posts about her relationship on here, she'd get good advice. It might be easier for her to hear it from strangers than from you. Or it might just help her to find that others are agreeing with you.

AnnieKenney · 11/10/2015 08:27

Sorry for long post!

As others have said, you can't make her leave but there are some things you can do:

Do bring up the subject (obvs not when he's around!) - it might feel uncomfortable but keeping it as a shameful subject is more dangerous

Try not to criticise her partner or the relationship. Instead, focus on the abuse and her safety. One of the things that abuser's do is to keep all the attention and energy focused on them so you need to undermine this by encouraging her to consider her own needs and feelings.

Supporting a friend in this way is a huge challenge. You don’t want to see her get hurt, but may have to watch her carry on with her partner when you think she should leave him or have him arrested. As her friend, make sure you offer her something the abuser doesn’t. For example, if he tells her what to do all the time / tells her that her decisions are wrong, it’s no use you doing the same.

Some helpful things to say:

• Domestic violence is totally unacceptable. Every woman has the right to live her life free of violence, abuse, intimidation and fear.

• Domestic violence is very common. One woman in four experiences domestic violence at some point in her life.

• Domestic violence is very dangerous. Each week in the UK, two women are killed by a partner or ex-partner.

• Domestic violence is about power and control. Abusive, violent and sexually abusive behaviour is wide-ranging and subtle in what it tries to achieve (lots of abused women find this helpful in identifying the range of tactics)

• Domestic violence is intentional and instrumental behaviour. It is about scaring a woman into doing something that she doesn’t want to do, or scaring her out of doing something that she does want to do (This is often difficult to accept but can be gently challenged by pointing out that he can control himself with his boss or when the police turn up or pointing out that it is mysteriously only ever her possessions that get broken etc)

• The abuser is 100 per cent responsible for his abuse. His abuse is his problem and his responsibility.

• It is not your fault. No woman deserves to be abused, regardless of what she says or does.

• A man can change if he wants to. His behaviour is within his control and he can choose to stop. He could call (anonymously) the national perpetrator's phone line

• You cannot change him. He himself is the only person who can stop his violence.

• You don’t have to put up with it. A woman has the right to safety and respect, to put herself and her children first and to focus on her needs.

• You can increase your safety. If the man is intent on being violent, she will not be able to stop him. However, there are things she can do to increase her safety. Contact the National Domestic Violence Help-line (0808 2000 247)

Help build your friend’s self-esteem. Remind her of her good points, challenge her if she puts herself down or blames herself, praise her for every step she takes, and let her know she has your support.

On a practical level you could:

• agree a code word or action that your friend can use to signal that she is in danger and cannot access help herself

• offer to keep copies of important documents and other items (such as an overnight bag) for her. That way, if she has to leave in a hurry, she doesn’t have to waste time collecting important belongings.

• together or on your own, find out information about local services and help.

• offer any practical help you are able (and feel comfortable) to give, such as the use of your telephone or address for information or messages, keeping spare sets of keys/overnight bags/important documents for emergencies.

Planning ahead doesn't commit her to a decision but it will help hugely in an emergency and will at least start her thinking of leaving as a possibility.

Some good questions to ask:

• What can I do to help?

• How has his behaviour made you feel?

• How is it affecting you?

• How have you been coping with the abuse?

• What can you do to make yourself safer?

• What are you afraid of if you leave?

• What are you afraid of if you stay?

• Do you know when an incident is going to happen? Is there a pattern?

• What’s your worst-case scenario for yourself/your children?

• What are your worst fears for yourself/your children?

• What do you already do to protect yourself/your children? (This is a good chance to help her see how much she may already be doing to stay safe.)

• Which of the things you do to protect yourself/your children work in practice, and which don’t?

• What personal strengths do you have that help you to deal with this situation? (Explore how can these be increased, for example, by raising her self-esteem, self-belief and ability to trust her gut instincts. Assume she is resisting and is doing things to try and stay safe - she is very unlikely to just be passively accepting it. Just because the things she is doing aren't working doesn't mean she isn't doing them)

• What external resources are there to help you cope (support networks of friends and family, access to money, access to alternative accommodation and so on)? How can these be increased?

• Can I help you find out about what other choices might be available?

• Which options would be most realistic for you? What do you see yourself as actually being able to do? (Focus on those.)

Finally, although most abuser's are charming to everyone but the person they are abusing, their dangerousness tends to increase as they sense their control slipping so whatever else you do, be sure to keep yourself safe. If at any point you fee overwhelmed, do be aware that DV services will be happy to support you in supporting your friend.

Good luck - and Flowers for being such a caring friend.

NameChange30 · 11/10/2015 09:29

^ Amazing post! Can't believe you started by apologising for it being long!!

Rozalia · 11/10/2015 10:18

I tried posting on this thread but it wouldn't post. Try again.

Fantastic post AnnieKennedy. I wonder if it could be stickied somewhere on MN?

I am a few months put of an abusive marriage, so still in the thick of recovery. I followed your link to the Duluth Wheel of Control, my STBXH's behaviours are described in every section. I still need to read and re-read about DV, having spent 20 years being abused while being told I was causing it and actually, I was the abuser.

OP, Perhaps if I'd had a good friend like you I may have escaped earlier, without the profound damage to me, my children and my life. STBXH isolated me very effectively within a year of our marriage, so all avenues of support were gone. When I did try to talk to people for help - my sister, a friend, someone in authority - I wasn't believed because he was so charming and so loving. In public.

OP please be aware that your friend's partner will also try to isolate her, in fact it sounds like he is already. AnnieKennedy's advice is spot on. Your friend is very lucky to have you.

AnnieKenney · 11/10/2015 10:25

Thanks! Blush And Blush Blush for appalling use of the apostrophe Grin

ForeverLivingMyArse · 11/10/2015 16:09

Thank you so much for all the advice, sorry for the rather jumbled post this morning, a bottle of wine goes some way to impair my already limited typing skills!

My heart's breaking for her. She's one of the funniest, bubbliest and kindest people I know. But right now she's a nervous wreck. My husband, who's known her for as long as I have, said last night she's 'a shadow of her former self'. I think he'd happily head down the road and knock seven shades of white out of him.

On her way out last night she asked if we could meet up again next weekend. I'm go in to suggest the cinema or something, I'm keen to keep the contact with her up.

Thanks for all the pointers. She mentioned being offered counselling but did t want to speak to them and I know woman's aid made contact during the court case for the first incident but shedding feel it was for her.

She even said she hates having sex with him Sad I don't bloody blame her.

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ForeverLivingMyArse · 11/10/2015 16:16

There's no children and no mortgage, just a joint rental and a bit of debt. Looking in it looks so easy to leave and I don't understand why she hasn't.

She did say he's for trying for a baby. She knows that's an awful idea. I wonder if that's because she's almost broke free he's panicking a d thinking that a baby will bind her. He lost his jobs in February as a result of her pressing charges and hasn't worked since, he's only just started signing on. She feels it's her fault so on top of her 3 long days as a nurse she's doing bank shifts and even cleaning for someone on the side. Whilst he sits doing fuck all. She ' has to' give him £20 a day. That's a lot of money when there's nothing coming into the house and he's doing bigger all beside smoking ans going to the bookies.

I had no idea he was like this. They've always appeared really sweet and fun together. No wonder she's been reluctant to speak out.

Her mum knows about the first incidents from the start of the year but thinks it's all ok now they're back together. His family blame her for it all.

He said he just kind of moved back in, like before she knew what was happening he was just there again.

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NameChange30 · 11/10/2015 22:32

Jesus, the extra info you've given in your updates make it even more shocking and sad. This made my blood run cold:
"She did say he's for trying for a baby."
Is it a typo or did she really say he's trying for a baby? Surely it takes two to try for a baby?! I hope to god she doesn't actually want to get pregnant by this abusive bastard. If she does I think she's pretty much a lost cause tbh. I guess it might be worth trying to persuade her to say yes to the counselling she was offered. But if she's already been offered counselling and support from WA, and refused both, it does sound like she isn't ready to face up to the situation and get help.
I wonder if being more honest with her would help - for example could your DH actually tell her that she seems a shadow of her former self? Coming from him as well as you it might just shock her into thinking things through. Or it might not!
My main advice would be to protect yourself because in your position I think I'd get frustrated and sad about the situation. So do what you can and let her know you'll be there for her when she's ready to leave, but don't invest too much. It might sound heartless but it's necessary I think.

ForeverLivingMyArse · 12/10/2015 09:52

He wants to start trying for a baby, she's saying no.

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NameChange30 · 12/10/2015 10:53

Ah ok. Well I hope she's in control of the contraception!

OnePingOnly · 12/10/2015 11:45

Great advice OP from other posters. Your friend needs you, thank you for being there for her and seeking advice on how best to deal with such a difficult situation.

MN please sticky AnnieKenney's post.

tribpot · 12/10/2015 12:01

Can you have a very frank conversation about contraception? She needs something he can't tamper with, like an implant.

She has been convinced that the assaults were her fault and now she has to make amends for it, truly dreadful. He knows and she knows that it would take a very significant act of violence for her to press charges again.

One of the best things I've seen on domestic violence is Leslie Morgan Steiner's TED Talk about her first marriage. I would urge her to watch it (I'd urge anyone to watch it) but she will need to keep herself safe online - Women's Aid has some information.

Namechanger2015 · 12/10/2015 14:50

Can she attend a Freedom Programme near her? They run weekly and she can start anytime would not have to attend all sessions just as and when she can. I found this a real eye opener after leaving my abusive partner. Like your friend I spent a long time changing myself and my behaviour believing this would make things better. But it didn't. The freedom programme really helped.

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